LindaS27 (Colorado)
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Posts: 236
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I realize this post is quite long - but I think all of the information is relevant to see how bad Management Companies (MC) can be.
I don't know if the restricted reserve funds were actually stolen or more the result of sloppy bookkeeping.
Back in 2000, we had a crazed board that had secret meetings, only put into the minutes what they wanted and tried to put through a restatement of the declaration. When that didn't pass, they (with HOA attorney's help)took the homeowners to court to attempt to get it passed that way. Enough outraged homeowners objected to the court and it was dismissed. That board was fired (end of 2001)and the new board instituted an audit committee to look into some of the crazy spending that had been going on. For example, the old board had several new monument type entrance signs($27K+)with lighting installed. These were not budgeted for in the reserves - so where did they get the money to do this and so many other things that were not budged for?
I volunteered as part of that audit committee. We have 345 homes with about 48% traditional homes and 52% cluster homes. There is a base assessment for everyone and the clusters pay an additional amount for the repair and maintenance of the "private streets" that (per our declaration) is to be put into a separate bank account and used for NO other purpose. There was no bank account and the MC was keeping a sort of list on what was being spent on general reserves and on cluster streets. We did an analysis for the last 20 years (thru end of 1999) and discovered that almost 400K (including interest) was missing from what should have been Cluster's "restricted funds" and reported this to the board.
Since there was a lot of deferred maintenance, the board was anxious to get a dues increase and didn't want to stir the pot so didn't want the homeowners to know this. We felt we had a fiduciary duty to let the homeowners know but were blocked from putting any articles into our newsletter. We were told it was "not in the best interest of the homeowners to know." Finally, the board fired the audit committee - they saw us as stopping them from doing what they wanted. We put out flyers and tried to let HOs know the truth but were labeled as troublemakers.
Anyway, I've kept detailed spreadsheets (2000-2014) of the Cluster Reserves and currently there is $330K missing - $90K in deposits not made and $240K in expenses paid out that should have been paid out of General Reserves and/or the Operating Fund. The current MC (start 2011)has missed a lot of deposits to this account - at one point behind over $30K. In 2012 and 2013 before the annual meeting, I've emailed the board letting them know this so they wouldn't be bragging about how much under budget they were and hopefully make up the deposits.
The current board is fairly new and mostly new homeowners so don't know the history here. They announced they wanted to amend our declaration and started putting out a lot of misinformation about our current declaration and how HOs really needed more protection. They welcomed feedback after we read the draft. Turns out it's a lot of legalese taking away HO rights and giving a lot of power to the board and MC. I emailed the board pointing out these things and also letting them know that the newest Reserve Studies (showing cluster dues needed raised due to underfunding)was full of errors and that the opposite were true if Cluster missing monies were paid back. After wanting proof of my statement, I emailed the board my Cluster Reserve Analysis (as of 9/30/14)and also requested they post minutes and financials for the last 8-9 months so I could up-date the spreadsheets. The board president forwarded my email/analysis to the VP of the MC to look into.
After they posted a lot of the minutes and financials, I emailed back with an updated analysis (5/31/15)and requested other documents be posted - most should have been posted by 3/31/15 per Colorado law. I also let them know that for two months this year deposits($9K)were not made to the Cluster Reserves. The VP insisted they were made and perhaps I was not seeing newer financials that the board had not yet approved. I explained she was looking only at the revenue side which showed 5 months of deposits but when you looked at the balance sheet and the cash account, the months of Mar and May only showed activity of interest earned. So the financials did not balance and maybe a lot of errors were covered up by "due to/from" accounts they had set up. They immediately pulled the 5/31/15 financials from the website,
Other accounting messes: We are one entity with three different bank accounts yet they have three different sets of books set up - one for each bank account. So if I want to know how much cash the HOA has on hand, I have to get an amount from three different balance sheets and then do a separate calculation to get the total. In looking at the "due to/from" accounts to see if maybe they had money due to the clusters, I discovered something even more astonishing - they went back in time and changed financial statement numbers. For example, the Nov. 2014 cash beginning balances are $75K less than the ending balances at 10/31/15.
After this, the board president became angry with me saying my "incessant emails had to stop and were costing the HOA $125/hr. This was a lie along with telling me that if I needed additional information, I would need to attend board meetings and if not available there, I would have to pay for it. Then he stated “I will also remind you that these kinds of disclosures are not a requirement of our governing documents nor by statute, since the HOA is exempt from CCIOA disclosure requirements.”
The VP replied to the board president (hitting "reply all" by mistake)stating that "Just to be clear, we are not charging for the research or the response. You can keep telling her that, however." Then I stopped getting replies to my requests for additional records. In previous requests, I let them know that my request were all covered by Colorado statures . Then after finding this site, I send another email request listing the 4 or 5 statutes by number that had to do with Association records. I also listed three other statutes that the HOA was violating like the CAM licensing law but let them know that my intent was not to file a claim. But if they didn't post the requested records by a deadline, I would file a complaint with DORA for CAM license violations.
The community manager sent an email stating he was working on getting these items posted except for the 6/30/15 and 7/31/15 financials as they had not been approved by the board. This happened last year month after month when the board tabled the financials due to adjustments requested. I let him know that the board did not have to approve the financials for them to be posted. Any corrections/entries they wanted had to be made in the current month. Of the 10 records I requested, three were posted and them that stopped.
I'm not sure what to do!
If you've read this far, thanks for your time.
I don't know if the restricted reserve funds were actually stolen or more the result of sloppy bookkeeping.
Back in 2000, we had a crazed board that had secret meetings, only put into the minutes what they wanted and tried to put through a restatement of the declaration. When that didn't pass, they (with HOA attorney's help)took the homeowners to court to attempt to get it passed that way. Enough outraged homeowners objected to the court and it was dismissed. That board was fired (end of 2001)and the new board instituted an audit committee to look into some of the crazy spending that had been going on. For example, the old board had several new monument type entrance signs($27K+)with lighting installed. These were not budgeted for in the reserves - so where did they get the money to do this and so many other things that were not budged for?
I volunteered as part of that audit committee. We have 345 homes with about 48% traditional homes and 52% cluster homes. There is a base assessment for everyone and the clusters pay an additional amount for the repair and maintenance of the "private streets" that (per our declaration) is to be put into a separate bank account and used for NO other purpose. There was no bank account and the MC was keeping a sort of list on what was being spent on general reserves and on cluster streets. We did an analysis for the last 20 years (thru end of 1999) and discovered that almost 400K (including interest) was missing from what should have been Cluster's "restricted funds" and reported this to the board.
Since there was a lot of deferred maintenance, the board was anxious to get a dues increase and didn't want to stir the pot so didn't want the homeowners to know this. We felt we had a fiduciary duty to let the homeowners know but were blocked from putting any articles into our newsletter. We were told it was "not in the best interest of the homeowners to know." Finally, the board fired the audit committee - they saw us as stopping them from doing what they wanted. We put out flyers and tried to let HOs know the truth but were labeled as troublemakers.
Anyway, I've kept detailed spreadsheets (2000-2014) of the Cluster Reserves and currently there is $330K missing - $90K in deposits not made and $240K in expenses paid out that should have been paid out of General Reserves and/or the Operating Fund. The current MC (start 2011)has missed a lot of deposits to this account - at one point behind over $30K. In 2012 and 2013 before the annual meeting, I've emailed the board letting them know this so they wouldn't be bragging about how much under budget they were and hopefully make up the deposits.
The current board is fairly new and mostly new homeowners so don't know the history here. They announced they wanted to amend our declaration and started putting out a lot of misinformation about our current declaration and how HOs really needed more protection. They welcomed feedback after we read the draft. Turns out it's a lot of legalese taking away HO rights and giving a lot of power to the board and MC. I emailed the board pointing out these things and also letting them know that the newest Reserve Studies (showing cluster dues needed raised due to underfunding)was full of errors and that the opposite were true if Cluster missing monies were paid back. After wanting proof of my statement, I emailed the board my Cluster Reserve Analysis (as of 9/30/14)and also requested they post minutes and financials for the last 8-9 months so I could up-date the spreadsheets. The board president forwarded my email/analysis to the VP of the MC to look into.
After they posted a lot of the minutes and financials, I emailed back with an updated analysis (5/31/15)and requested other documents be posted - most should have been posted by 3/31/15 per Colorado law. I also let them know that for two months this year deposits($9K)were not made to the Cluster Reserves. The VP insisted they were made and perhaps I was not seeing newer financials that the board had not yet approved. I explained she was looking only at the revenue side which showed 5 months of deposits but when you looked at the balance sheet and the cash account, the months of Mar and May only showed activity of interest earned. So the financials did not balance and maybe a lot of errors were covered up by "due to/from" accounts they had set up. They immediately pulled the 5/31/15 financials from the website,
Other accounting messes: We are one entity with three different bank accounts yet they have three different sets of books set up - one for each bank account. So if I want to know how much cash the HOA has on hand, I have to get an amount from three different balance sheets and then do a separate calculation to get the total. In looking at the "due to/from" accounts to see if maybe they had money due to the clusters, I discovered something even more astonishing - they went back in time and changed financial statement numbers. For example, the Nov. 2014 cash beginning balances are $75K less than the ending balances at 10/31/15.
After this, the board president became angry with me saying my "incessant emails had to stop and were costing the HOA $125/hr. This was a lie along with telling me that if I needed additional information, I would need to attend board meetings and if not available there, I would have to pay for it. Then he stated “I will also remind you that these kinds of disclosures are not a requirement of our governing documents nor by statute, since the HOA is exempt from CCIOA disclosure requirements.”
The VP replied to the board president (hitting "reply all" by mistake)stating that "Just to be clear, we are not charging for the research or the response. You can keep telling her that, however." Then I stopped getting replies to my requests for additional records. In previous requests, I let them know that my request were all covered by Colorado statures . Then after finding this site, I send another email request listing the 4 or 5 statutes by number that had to do with Association records. I also listed three other statutes that the HOA was violating like the CAM licensing law but let them know that my intent was not to file a claim. But if they didn't post the requested records by a deadline, I would file a complaint with DORA for CAM license violations.
The community manager sent an email stating he was working on getting these items posted except for the 6/30/15 and 7/31/15 financials as they had not been approved by the board. This happened last year month after month when the board tabled the financials due to adjustments requested. I let him know that the board did not have to approve the financials for them to be posted. Any corrections/entries they wanted had to be made in the current month. Of the 10 records I requested, three were posted and them that stopped.
I'm not sure what to do!
If you've read this far, thanks for your time.