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DorothyO (Washington)
Posts: 293
Posted:
If the entire three-member Board has resigned, and the only nominee running does not receive the required votes to be elected, can said nominee distribute a ballot to approve a "Temporary Waiver" (one term only) of the 50+1 required to elect officers so association business can be conducted? As it would not permanently amend the Bylaw, would it's allowance, should it pass, still be in violation of the intent of the Bylaw?
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
Sounds like you have quite a predicament.

I am sure the nominee would have the votes needed to get elected, the problem probably is that quorum won't be reached, therefore, no ballots can be opened.

The other misunderstanding is that the membership elects Directors, and Directors elect Officers.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Unless the documents give the Board or membership the authority to waive a covenant or bylaw, then it may not be done.

As was pointed out, it's rare that the required votes are not met to elect Directors. Would you provide the language of that section of the Bylaws that addresses elections?
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
The question you need to answer is "How many votes will you need to approve the temporary waiver?"

The answer is 50+1 (or more depending on the requirements in your docs).

No way you can avoid getting 50+1 votes.

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Short of receivership how can an HOA operate without having anyone elected? I know with no election the prior BOD stays in place but in the case of the OP, the BOD resigned and one person (never elected/appointed) is willing to step forward and possibly rebuild the BOD. I would think one could turn to the courts and be appointed to reconstruct a BOD.

LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By DorothyO on 08/18/2015 6:47 PM
If the entire three-member Board has resigned, and the only nominee running does not receive the required votes to be elected, can said nominee distribute a ballot to approve a "Temporary Waiver" (one term only) of the 50+1 required to elect officers so association business can be conducted? As it would not permanently amend the Bylaw, would it's allowance, should it pass, still be in violation of the intent of the Bylaw?

How is it possible that if three positions are open and you have only one candidate that you would even have an election? In most associations when the number of candidates is equal to or less than the number of open seats the candidate(s) are elected by acclamation.

The one person who is elected by acclamation would then need to appoint someone to fill at least one vacant position to create a quorum to conduct business.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
I believe the OP is saying:

1. The entire BOD has resigned.

2. Only one person is interested in running for the BOD.

3. They cannot get a quorum to hold an election.

4. Can they waive the quorum requirement via a one time whatever method?
DorothyO (Washington)
Posts: 293
Posted:
Thank you everyone. First, we are going to pretend we have a quorum to be able to conduct business and open the ballots. Sadly, in the fifteen years of Minutes we have, half reflect business, including elections, being conducted without a proper quorum, and half with a proper quorum. Should there be no quorum and the Board has already resigned, we can either conduct business anyway, as we have done in the past, or shut the whole thing down and go to court. But for now, let's assume we have a quorum as we did the last election, so the current Board is legal.

I've attached the language, crappy as usual, from our Bylaws regarding conducting business, which would mean elections, and you'll note there is no specific mention of "election," anywhere. We have always operated with the interpretation that 50% or more of the association is required for any action, and a majority vote of that quorum would determine the result of a vote on any business, including election of officers.

E. Delegation: In the case of absence or inability to act of any officer of the Association and of any persons herein authorized to act in his/her place, the Board may from time to time delegate the powers or duties of such officer to any other officer or other Association member whom it may select. This section also authorizes the appointment by the Board of an Assistant Vice President/Secretary or Assistant Treasurer or other agent to act on their behalf as may be necessary from time to time. These appointments shall not exceed the terms of the elected officers.

F. Compensation: The Board may authorize the payment of reasonable compensation to any officer or agent who performs substantial services for the Association in carrying out management functions.

G. Change of Number: The number of officers may at any time be increased or decreased by amendment to these Bylaws, but no decrease shall have the effect of shortening the term of any incumbent officer.

H. Vacancies: All vacancies on the Board, whether caused by resignation, death or otherwise, shall be filled by the affirmative vote of the majority of the remaining officers. An officer elected to fill any vacancy shall hold office for the unexpired term of his/her predecessor and until a successor is elected and qualified.

E. Quorum: The quorum of Owners at any annual or special meeting of the Association shall be the presence, in person or by proxy, of persons holding fifty percent (50%) or more of the total votes, unless otherwise expressly provided herein. If a quorum is present at any such meeting, any action may be taken by an affirmative vote of a majority of the total votes cast at the meeting on the issue subject to a vote, except as otherwise expressly provided in the Act, the Declaration or these Bylaws.

Also, we do not have "Directors," just three officers. If the three officers have announced their official resignation at the end of the term, which means at the close of the annual meeting in December, then they cannot "delegate, appoint, or authorize" anyone to assume an officer's position. There is nothing in our Bylaws that allow for "acclamation," nor is their anything in our Bylaws that allow for temporary waivers.

Of course, I suspect someone could make the claim that since there is precedence for operating in violation of our Bylaws (no quorum for half the years of operation), what's to stop us for doing it (allowing the temporary waiver) in this "emergency" situation? Is it better to do that than incure legal costs by suing ourselves into receivership? This is not my position. I am just trying to forsee possible scenarios before I officially resign, which I've not done yet.

DorothyO (Washington)
Posts: 293
Posted:
JohnC46,
That is also a scenario and so, even with a quorum, say 22 of the 42 households show up, and 7 vote for the one guy running and 15 don't, what then, given the sitting Board has already officially resigned?

D
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Dorothy,

Based on your posts, my advice would be to apply for relief through the courts and ask that a receiver be appointed.

Your problem is not that your members cannot govern themselves but, instead, you are hamstrung by horrendous bylaws that do not work and fail to address normal situations. Your various boards over the years certainly had the opportunity to rewrite the bylaws but did not for whatever reasons.

The fact that you have officers but no directors is strange, as is the provision for paying officers (who perform the duties of the directors), and the requirement of 50% of the owners for a quorum (many states allow as few as 10% to form a quorum).

You need a receiver who can, with the court's authority, rewrite your bylaws and maybe your declaration to reflect the reality of operating a condo association.

DorothyO (Washington)
Posts: 293
Posted:
Larry,
I couldn't agree more. In fact, last year the Board presented a proposal to amend the Bylaws to reduce the quorum requirement to 25% and the proposal was defeated by 12 out of the 22 who were at the meeing. I suppose we could send it out anyway and see if those 12 do not acurately represent the association, but we would have to get 25 affirmative votes to amend, and we always have at least 10 people who have never participated in any voting, or any association business ever. It's as if they are not even a part of the neighborhood. On the other hand, I actually believe that one of the main reasons the proposal was defeated is because everyone in that room knew that if we only needed 25% for a quorum, that would mean only 16 people would have to show up, and that would mean that just 8 or more people would constitute a majority, and that would mean the one guy who always runs, who no one wants to work with, or wants as President, and who only gets 6-7 votes, so is never a threat when we are looking at twice that for an election, could actually become President. They have enough of a central nervous system to understand this, but not enough to step up and volunteer themselves. Sigh. . .
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
DorothyO,
If voting by proxy is allowed I would first knox on doors and get a petition signed by atleast the percentage of members required to call a Special meeting. The stated purpose of the Special members meeting would be to elect Board members to fill the open positions on the Board. The petition could also state the date, time and loction to hold the Special meeting. At the same time as getting the petition signed I would knox on enough doors to secure a sufficient number of proxies to achieve a quorum at that Special meeting and to assure the elections of members to the Board of Directors. This will require someone taking the lead; getting precommitments of member who would be willing to be candidates for the election of Board members, lots of preplanning; and putting up the funds needed for printing and mailing the notice of the Special meeting. If successful perhaps the new Board would reimburse all out of pocket expenses.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By DorothyO on 08/19/2015 8:03 AM
JohnC46,
That is also a scenario and so, even with a quorum, say 22 of the 42 households show up, and 7 vote for the one guy running and 15 don't, what then, given the sitting Board has already officially resigned?

D

D

Once a Quorum is established, it does not matter how many of the Quorum vote. 22 of 42 for a Quorum and if only 1 votes for say me then I win one to zero.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By LarryB13 on 08/19/2015 8:37 AM
Dorothy,

Based on your posts, my advice would be to apply for relief through the courts and ask that a receiver be appointed.

Your problem is not that your members cannot govern themselves but, instead, you are hamstrung by horrendous bylaws that do not work and fail to address normal situations. Your various boards over the years certainly had the opportunity to rewrite the bylaws but did not for whatever reasons.

The fact that you have officers but no directors is strange, as is the provision for paying officers (who perform the duties of the directors), and the requirement of 50% of the owners for a quorum (many states allow as few as 10% to form a quorum).

You need a receiver who can, with the court's authority, rewrite your bylaws and maybe your declaration to reflect the reality of operating a condo association.


Larry

If there are some who care and are willing to try I see no need for receivership. Receivership can be a costly and time consuming process. I see it as the last course of action with most anything else being better maybe even including violating/bypassing the Bylaws for the greater good of the association.
DorothyO (Washington)
Posts: 293
Posted:
"Once a Quorum is established, it does not matter how many of the Quorum vote. 22 of 42 for a Quorum and if only 1 votes for say me then I win one to zero."

JohnC46, Oops! Sorry for the lack of clarity! I've been reading our Bylaws for too long! I meant that if 15 vote against him (not that they don't vote at all) and seven vote for him, then he loses and we still don't have a President. Hence, the "then what" question, and Roger B added the Special Meeting option. However, the quorum requirements are the same for a Special Meeting as in the annual meeting. But seeing as how the Board will have resigned at the end of that annual meeting, the meeting could not be the "annual meeting rescheduled" in the absence of a Board to conduct association business. So a Special Meeting would be the only forum to re-run the election, and it would have to be called by any member, as long as they follow protocol which is 20% approval to hold a Special Meeting, with the specific reason, time & date stated. Voting by proxy is allowed.

I am having a meeting this weekend with the Board and the ARC, the only two governing entities we have. Thanks for all the input, everyone. I'll lay all this out for them.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By DorothyO on 08/19/2015 6:04 PM
"Once a Quorum is established, it does not matter how many of the Quorum vote. 22 of 42 for a Quorum and if only 1 votes for say me then I win one to zero."

JohnC46, Oops! Sorry for the lack of clarity! I've been reading our Bylaws for too long! I meant that if 15 vote against him (not that they don't vote at all) and seven vote for him, then he loses and we still don't have a President. Hence, the "then what" question, and Roger B added the Special Meeting option. However, the quorum requirements are the same for a Special Meeting as in the annual meeting. But seeing as how the Board will have resigned at the end of that annual meeting, the meeting could not be the "annual meeting rescheduled" in the absence of a Board to conduct association business. So a Special Meeting would be the only forum to re-run the election, and it would have to be called by any member, as long as they follow protocol which is 20% approval to hold a Special Meeting, with the specific reason, time & date stated. Voting by proxy is allowed.

I am having a meeting this weekend with the Board and the ARC, the only two governing entities we have. Thanks for all the input, everyone. I'll lay all this out for them.

D
How can people vote against someone? On a ballot for the BOD, you either do not vote, vote for someone or vote for someone else. There is not a vote against someone.

It is not like a ballot question such as do we pass this tax or not.

DorothyO (Washington)
Posts: 293
Posted:
There is always a YES and a NO on the ballot whenever we have a ballot issue. In State elections, I guess if someone is running unopposed they are automatically elected, but in an HOA it is the perogative of the association to vote someone out, at any time, mind you, so why could they not exercise this same desire by not voting someone in?

And I agree with Larry. Receivership is the absolute last direction in which we want to go. I would definitely do the Special Meeting route, the door-to-door recruitment, hell, even not resign, before I would venture into that quagmire.

By-the-by, we are not a condo association. Perish the thought!! Ack! I have a pretty good imagination and I could not imagine me dealing with condo rules & regs. No,we have 42 single-family homes. Sweet little berg.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Dorothy, you should read the WA HOA statutes, they may provide the answers you seek. http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=64.38

RCW 64.38.040
Quorum for meeting.

Unless the governing documents specify a different percentage, a quorum is present throughout any meeting of the association if the owners to which thirty-four percent of the votes of the association are allocated are present in person or by proxy at the beginning of the meeting.

RCW 64.38.030
Association bylaws.

Unless provided for in the governing documents, the bylaws of the association shall provide for:

(1) The number, qualifications, powers and duties, terms of office, and manner of electing and removing the board of directors and officers and filling vacancies;

(2) Election by the board of directors of the officers of the association as the bylaws specify;

(3) Which, if any, of its powers the board of directors or officers may delegate to other persons or to a managing agent;

(4) Which of its officers may prepare, execute, certify, and record amendments to the governing documents on behalf of the association;

(5) The method of amending the bylaws; and

(6) Subject to the provisions of the governing documents, any other matters the association deems necessary and appropriate.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
D

Unless there are more running for open BOD positions then exist, there is no need for an election. They are elected. Like 5 or less running for 5 positions. They are elected. No need for an election.

I have never seen a ballot where you voted YES or NO for a person to fill a position. You either vote for he person or you do not.

Do your docs allow nominations from the floor? If so then during the meeting ask for volunteers to run.

DorothyO (Washington)
Posts: 293
Posted:
JohnC46, yeah, our ballots are goofy, but it is what it is and no one has ever challenged it. As for calling for volunteers from the floor (our docs are silent on this), or any other way, we have never NOT called for volunteers. Every year, before the ballots go out, and no one, I repeat, no one, except for me and the guy no one else wants anywhere near the Board ever volunteers. I have always had to reach out to individuals and ask to please serve. And it's not like this is a big, complicated association! Like I said, we only have 42 houses, one meeting a year, one Board meeting a year, unless there is an issue, one small park, no pool, tennis courts, etc., to maintain. It's a quiet, respectful, very beige neighborhood. Until every now and then, the same one guy who runs, decides to puff out his chest, pop off a few buttons in Libertarian outrage and and hang out his "Don't Tread on Me Flag," about this or that he thinks this "Hillary of the neighborhood," (that'd be me), has inflicted upon us. His diatribes, bad enough in their ill-informed, non-sensical content, and border-line illiterate form, smack everyone and anyone back behind their pretty front doors and six-foot high privacy fences in retreat from having to deal with this idiot. And that one irritation, infrequent as it may be, has been enough to maintain the stasis in management. Of course, there is always the very real knowledge that the reason problems are rare in the 'hood, is that the management is run extremely well. No one has to think about the street lights being maintained, or the park being mowed, or the garbage cans being stowed, or unsightly vehicles being parked. The covenants are being honored and enforced and that is want they want. Why rock the boat by volunteering?
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnC46 on 08/19/2015 6:04 PM
Larry

If there are some who care and are willing to try I see no need for receivership. Receivership can be a costly and time consuming process. I see it as the last course of action with most anything else being better maybe even including violating/bypassing the Bylaws for the greater good of the association.


I agree that this is an extreme solution but this association is operating under near-impossible governing documents that no one has been able to amend in all the years it has been around. Add to that rampant paranoia of owners who are afraid to adopt a slightly more workable quorum out of fear that their neighbors will seize control.

I view the proposal for receivership in much the same light as putting a mentally ill person in involuntary confinement for their own good. Extreme yes but sometimes necessary to protect one from oneself. The receiver's goal should be to reorganize the condo's governing document to conform with contemporary practice and then turn control back over to the owners.

As an alternative to receivership, the owners could seek reformation of their governing documents without quite as much hassle. I suspect that a group of owners could force this to happen through a derivative action lawsuit.

DorothyO (Washington)
Posts: 293
Posted:
Larry, we actually have amended the 0riginal 1992 Bylaws, in 2005, just not all of them. It might be interesting to not resign but work on clarifying these, as you say, near-impossible" Bylaws to a more coherent state, and presenting for approval to amend. As Glen revealed, we are actually in violation of the RCW HOA Act, by not clearly defining the procedure for officer election. HA! Scenario #10!!

RCW 64.38.030
Association bylaws.

Unless provided for in the governing documents, the bylaws of the association shall provide for:

(1) The number, qualifications, powers and duties, terms of office, and manner of electing and removing the board of directors and officers and filling vacancies;

(2) Election by the board of directors of the officers of the association as the bylaws specify;

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