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ShaneP (Missouri)
Posts: 2
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I'm a fairly new resident to my subdivision. My wife and I contacted the HOA before even purchasing the house. We wished to build an attached garage and after many emails back and forth were given approval in principal to proceed if we purchased. That was a year ago and we purchased the house the week we received that information.

Now, I have been in contact with the HOA and ARC about the garage build. The HOA president answers every question I ask, regardless if who I actually ask the question to. I ask the ARC members for documents/procedures/etc and I get a letter/call/meeting from the HOA president.

I submitted plans for the garage a few months ago. I was immediately told "no", that the garage was different that what was approved in principal. The HOA president and I disagree on this point, but that's old news. He at one point told me my build would not be considered until I filed an ARC application. After the 4th time asking for the application, I was finally provided with one. It refers to an "ACC", we have an "ARC". It is titled "Trustee/Board approval", not ARC application.

I filled out the application and provided all the documents to the ARC members. Our Declarations list the steps for the following process. The application is given to the ARC members. The ARC members have 15 business days to have a meeting, which I'm allowed to attend, as well as other residents. If the application is not approved or denied within 15 business days, by the ARC members, it is deemed approved. If it's denied, I'm allowed 10 days to appeal to the Board...etc.

On the 14 business day, I received a "denied" application in the mail. It is signed by the Board president and no one else. I've spoken to a lawyer already and I've been told to proceed with construction as the Board president is not in a position to approve/deny unless I appealed to the Board.

I provided the ARC members, as well as the Board president, a letter from my lawyer stating that I was going to proceed with construction given the process was not followed as spelled out in the Declarations. When I delivered the letter to the Board president, he was very confrontational. He asked to talk, which I agreed, and he began to mentioned details about the garage detail drawings. I completed the drawings myself (I'm an engineer) and he was making false statements about features on the garage (oversized garage doors in the rear, there is no garage door in the rear). My ARC application was delivered with plans, but I did not deliver those plans to him, only the ARC members. He even called the other Board members and told them about these false features and all the Board members agreed to deny the application. I began to question the procedures, getting the Board involved, not having the meeting, not getting approval/denial from the ARC and the Board president got irate. I began to walk away, saying I was going to proceed with construction, and I was sorry that we ended up this way. He told me that if I break ground, he would sue me. As I continued to walk away, he began yelling "You're being an asshole, You're being an asshole...." It continued long enough that I was walking past his neighbors house and he was still yelling...

He also has been to my house where we had a meeting early on, before I sent the application. I brought up the fact that he has a detached garage and the Declarations specifically state that no detached garages are allowed. He stood up, yelled "This is f**king b*lls*hit", then proceeded to slam my front door as he stormed out of my house.

I brought up these things to another board member, and this is apparently not the first altercation that out Board president has been involved in with resident/other board members. It's to the point that all the Board members do whatever he says and everyone is afraid to talk to him.

I'm at a loss as to what I can do. The Board president is basically running a dictatorship and has many violations on his property, including his garage. How can I proceed?

Thank you for all the help. I realize that I already have a lawyer involved, but it's just so costly.
Shane
St. Louis Missouri subdivision.
MarkM31 (Washington)
Posts: 556
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Posted By ShaneP on 08/13/2015 8:08 PM

I brought up these things to another board member, and this is apparently not the first altercation that out Board president has been involved in with resident/other board members. It's to the point that all the Board members do whatever he says and everyone is afraid to talk to him

Awesome saga. Please keep us informed, and my sympathy that you are involved in such a saga, but it will make good fodder here.

How is the President elected? From the Board, or by a general election? In either case, he can be replaced. If the board out numbers him, why is everyone scared of him. He only has the power given to him by the CC&Rs and those by default that he bullies from the membership and other board members.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
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Do your CCRs give the right to enforce the covenants to individual members as well as the board? Ours do. I'd have my attorney also send him a letter saying I intended to do just that with regard to his detached garage violation of the covenants. Then I would make it clear to him that I was committed to seeing my enforcement action through to the end regardless of what else might happen with my own garage.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Shane,

Keep in mind that it's part of the President's job to be the face and voice of the Association.

My suggestion would be to request a meeting with the entire board.
At the meeting, politely, state the facts and what you are requesting.

As others have said, you may want to consult with your attorney (since you have already involved the attorney in this issue)first. It's possible that further discussions on your own may weaken your position if the issue ever has to go to court.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
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If you decide to go ahead with the build, make sure that you have a building permit from the city/county. They cannot override the need for HOA approval but if the roles were reversed, the first thing I would advise the Board with a member building without approval would be to sic the authorities on them.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
ShaneP (Missouri)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Thanks for all the suggestions.

The board members are elected initially by the subdivision developer. Then they are selected by the property owners. The president has been on the board a long time according to the other member. He apparently did a good job initially but things have gone down hill the past 5-7 years. All the other board members don't want the responsibility of being president and look at him as a buffer for complaints. Right now there is a vacancy on the board, that has been vacant for over a year, and that vacancy is supposed to be filled by the board members for the remainder of the term.

I have everything approved though the county for my build. The plans have been approved for about 3-4 months. As far as the county/city legal stuff, I'm already good to go.

My lawyer has basically told me that I need to take myself out of the situation. The letter I sent states that all questions/concerns should be forwarded to him. I somewhat expected the Board president to call the lawyer, or hire a lawyer who would in turn talk to my lawyer. But it sounds like that's not going to happen. I just heard that the Board president is going to try and get an injunction to stop the build and has already started talking to a lawyer. Not sure how true that is or if he will even talk to the lawyer about what has transpired before trying to jump into court.

The sad thing is, we are a small subdivision, only around 58 homes. The roads are a huge topic and everyone wants them fixed based on the financial meeting earlier this year we attended. I can't see how wasting probably $10,000 in a legal battle is worth it to the subdivision. I almost would like to send a letter to all the residents and inform them of the situation, but I know it would turn into he said / she said.

Thanks again.
Shane
SB5 (Indiana)
Posts: 5
Posted:
One realization I've come to over the years is that some people resort to strong language and general asshole-ishness when they can't rely on a factual & legal-based argument. The president is an ass and needs to be removed - no wonder your HOA can't fill positions.

You have your attorney's opinion. That's your due diligence in ensuring the work is legit.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
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Posted By ShaneP on 08/13/2015 8:08 PM
I filled out the application and provided all the documents to the ARC members. Our Declarations list the steps for the following process. The application is given to the ARC members. The ARC members have 15 business days to have a meeting, which I'm allowed to attend, as well as other residents. If the application is not approved or denied within 15 business days, by the ARC members, it is deemed approved. If it's denied, I'm allowed 10 days to appeal to the Board...etc.

On the 14 business day, I received a "denied" application in the mail.


Sounds like a meeting was held without inviting you. Doesn't matter that the denial took place within 15 days. If you weren't invited or allowed to be present at the meeting, the denial should have no effect. I expect that's what your lawyer told you.

Your lawyer has already notified your HOA that you are going forward with construction. In your shoes, I would just go ahead and build.

Your Prez will be the same AH no matter what you do. IMO, getting rid of him is probably a good idea, but that's a totally different issue than your garage.

If they file for an injunction, you have a strong counter-claim on several points. You got pre-approval before you bought. Procedures that would have protected your rights weren't followed. The failure to follow procedures created an automatic approval. The Prez treated himself preferentially when he built a detached garage for himself.


Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
CyrstalB (Maryland)
Posts: 457
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Posted By SB5 on 08/14/2015 8:04 AM
One realization I've come to over the years is that some people resort to strong language and general asshole-ishness when they can't rely on a factual & legal-based argument. The president is an ass and needs to be removed - no wonder your HOA can't fill positions.

You have your attorney's opinion. That's your due diligence in ensuring the work is legit.

very true.
CyrstalB (Maryland)
Posts: 457
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Please note that when an attorney says you should stay out of it, it means, let me bill you $200 when I call them each time. Just a fact.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By CyrstalB on 08/16/2015 5:49 AM

Please note that when an attorney says you should stay out of it, it means, let me bill you $200 when I call them each time. Just a fact.

It also means that you may end up saying something or agreeing to something that can lessen or increase your chances of winning in court.

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