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JudyA3 (Texas)
Posts: 14
Posted:
Hello... As I stated in an earlier post, I'm new to the HOA system and trying to educate myself.

Our CCR & Bylaws are dated 1984 and our BOD have been in office since then.

We had a board meeting last night and several questions where asked with no real answer. I hope someone can clarify a few things for me. Forgive me if this should had been 3 different posting.

1. The president resigned in April but still remains a board member (no voting was done by bod) - can this be done?
Bylaws say: The officers of the association shall hold office for 1 year unless he shall sooner resign, or shall be removed or otherwise disqualified to serve. Any vacancy occurring in any office of the association by death, resignation, removal or otherwise shall be filled by the bod. *** The management company response is "she just stepped down from the title, not from the board.

2. The new President had landscape work installed behind his property (the common area) and gave the board a bill for $1000 so he can be reimbursed. They paid him! So all of us owners can now install our own landscaping and get reimbursed? The old Pres told another board member several months ago "it would not look good if the HOA paid for a board members landscaping project in the common area". - should we be concerned over the use of funds?

3. CCR : The board shall have the following additional rights Powers and duties:
(a) to make reasonable rules and regulations for the operation of the common properties and to amend them from time to time, provided that any rule or regulation may be amended or repealed by an instrument in writing signed by a majority of members or with respect to a rule applicable to less affected (without limiting the generality of the foregoing language, the rules and regulations may provide for limitations on use of swimming pools and other common areas)
(b) to enforce the provision of this declaration and any rules made hereunder and to enjoin and seek damages from any owner for violation of such provision or rules.
(c) All owners and occupants shall abide by any rules and regulations adopted by the board.
Question to the above is: these rules and regulations are they the CCR's or can the board make up new rules and regulations and home owners have no knowledge? Example: trash cans must be kept in garage - nothing about this is in the CCR or bylaws. (don't bash me on this one..I agree to keep mine in garage).

4. Regular board meetings - can the members speak (ask questions/concerns) at these meetings or do they have to be on the agenda?

Thank you in advance!
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Judy

Generally the Covenants and Bylaws can only be changed by a majority of the owners voting to do. The procedure will be laid out in the docs themselves. Typically Covenants and Bylaws cannot be changed by the BOD.

A BOD has the right to make Rules & Regulations. The R&R's cannot override the Covenants nor Bylaws. Eamples:

If the Covenant's or Bylaw's say the BOD must be 5 to 7 owners the BOD cannot make an R&R saying less then 5 nor more then 7. They could set it a 5 or 6 or 7.

If the Covenants say no fences higher than 4ft, the BOD cannot make an R&R allowing for higher fences.

If the Covenants say no boats or trailers can be parked on ones's property the BOD cannot make an R&R saying they can be parked on one's property.

If the Covenants do not define the pool hours, the BOD can set the hours with a R&R.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
1. Person wore 2 hats. Director and Officer (Prez). Officer positions usually chosen by Directors among themselves. One can step down as an Officer without stepping down as a Director. Directors can change Officer positions on their own any time they want to.

2. Always raises a red flag when common area adjacent to a board member's home is improved. Not enough info to comment beyond that. Did board pre-approve the expenditure? Was it noted in the meeting minutes? Etc.

3. Board can make new rules that are consistent with CC&Rs and Bylaws. Can they do it without informing the HOs in advance? Yes. Should they? Generally not advisable. Many Boards pre-announce a rule changes and ask for comments first. But you might not have that type of board. Rules and Regs do not have to be mentioned in the CC&Rs or Bylaws. For example, solar may have come into fashion after docs were written - so board is free to adopt a solar policy as long as it complies with state and federal laws.

4. Most HOAs set aside a time for brief comments - but do not allow HOs to speak during the rest of the board meeting. Some states may make it mandatory. I don't believe that TX has generic laws, so hope you hear from someone from your state.


Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
1. In the real world of corporations, boards of directors normally lack the skill and/or the time to operate the organization on a day-to-day basis and hire officers to handle those functions. The officer in charge is often called the president. In the bizzaro universe of HOA's, the board members are elected by homeowners and the board members usually select officers from within their own ranks. They do so partly because they know no better, partly because that's what all the other HOA's do, and partly because they refuse to pay salaries to those officers. In such a situation an officer, in this case, the president, may resign from their position as an officer but retain their elected position as a board member. It happens quite frequently and is perfectly legal.

2. Yes, you should be concerned about the landscape project. Not so much the dollar amount as the lack of good judgment as it appears that the president had the work done without prior approval and was reimbursed after-the-fact, using HOA funds for something that benefited him personally.

3. Usually an association has no power to make additional rules that govern how you use your property. The CC&R's are a legal notice as to what you are prohibited from doing and an association usually lacks the authority to expand upon those restrictions.

4. In some states, such as AZ, the law gives owners the right to attend meetings and to speak for or against issues before a vote is taken. I do not know whether Texas has similar statutes. Even without a statute there is nothing to prevent an association from adopting bylaws to give the members the right to speak at a meeting without first being on the agenda.

JudyA3 (Texas)
Posts: 14
Posted:
Thank you so so much!!

1. got it!

2. It was told to me (yes, it secret) prior to the board meeting last night that the board was afraid I would see the reimbursement to the Prez and would ask questions (I'm in finance and do a lot of ck & balance). July financials where not disclosed so I could not ask. But will ask at the next one. Everyone knows are funds are strapped and could had been used on critical issues.

3. Our state had some laws change a few years ago. This is what I found and really don't quite understand what it's saying.
Since 1999, Section 202.006 has required all HOA's to record all dedicatory Instruments in the official public records of the county in which all or a portion of it's community is located. The statutory definition includes a HOA declarations, Articals of Incorporation, Bylaws, Rules and any other governing document. the prior version of section 202.006, however, did not provide a remedy if a dedicatory instrument was not recorded. The modification of section 202.006 effected by HB1821 now makes clear that any dedicatory instrument that is NOT RECORDED is NOT ENFORCEABLE and has no effect until it is recorded. ...... So, does this apply to the rules and regulations that the BOD made up since the CCR was unclear of certain things?

4. got it! I'll look around for more info regarding the new laws that has pasted to see if this is covered.

BillH10 (Texas)
Posts: 1,217
Posted:
Judy, there is a well written book by a Texas attorney which extracts the legislation enacted in 2011 and 2013 (and earlier years) which made significant changes to HOA processes in Texas. I strongly recommend you obtain a copy. If you Google Texas HOA Laws or something equally generic, it should come up. He is probably working on the Third Edition to capture the changes made in the 2015 session.

1. Everything depends on the language in the Bylaws and CC&Rs but, yes, the Governing Documents of many associations in Texas state the Board is elected by the members of the Association and the Board then selects the officers from among the board members. If that language is in place, a resignation as President does not automatically mean a resignation from the Board as well.

2. Perhaps not the best way to have handled this. I would ask you however, since the changes were to the common area, what is the issue?. The members of the Association benefit as a group, just as you would have had the Association arranged and paid for the landscaping directly. I would question why a project of this size was not managed by the Association, put out to bid, etc.

Regardless, you have the right under Texas law to see the meeting minutes as well as the bill which was reimbursed. You also have the right to ask questions during the homeowner forum portion of the meeting of the Board. I would suggest you ask for an explanation as to why the Board did not arrange for the improvements to the common area and pay for them from Association funds directly. It is not uncommon for the Association to reimburse a member of the Board (or any member of the Association for that matter) for out of pocket expenses incurred at the direction of and on behalf of the Association but this sounds like something much larger than $65.00 for paper goods for the HOA picnic.

3. The Board generally may develop and publish guidelines, interpretations if you will, of the language contained within the CC&Rs. Some CC&R language specifically encourages the Board to do so.
For example, if the language in the CC&Rs states an association member must obtain approval prior to making changes to the property, such as painting; the Board may (should!) develop, or ask a committee to develop, “paint standards” which provide guidance regarding acceptable colors. With respect to your trash can example; there is probably language in the CC&Rs which assigns the Board responsibility for maintaining the general standards of appearance of the properties in the Association or some such.

4. First, every meeting of a BOD in Texas, excepting an emergency, must have proper notice of the meeting given to the members of the Association, in advance. There should be a forum for property owner comments at every meeting of the Board of Directors. The forum may be listed on the agenda, or it may not. It is generally held prior to the meeting being called to order or, less common, after it is adjourned. The speakers generally are not required to sign up in advance. The members of the Board may choose to engage the speaker, seek clarification, or say nothing other than Thank You. The Board may establish reasonable rules, such as time limits. It’s not unlike the opportunity afforded the public to address the City Council.
JudyA3 (Texas)
Posts: 14
Posted:
Thank you BillH!

I have looked at that book, it's a little over my budget at this time. However, I have requested it from the public library.

2. I will post a picture later of this said common area. He had the HOA pay $1000 for a Japanese Maple that is back left of the bird bath. Plus work he had done in his backyard. The ARC approved this, but our ARC does not notify the BOD of what she is approving or rejection. So when the Prez produced the invoice at the end of the meeting saying "any help with this bill is appreciated". No one asked for a breakdown as in which amount is for the common area vs his backyard. Two board members rejected it, the remaining 3 approved full payment as they wanted to go home since their meeting had ended (but not adjourned).

4. Our BOD meetings are held behind closed doors at 7pm. Then at 8pm the home owners can come in....if there finished. Example - this past Wednesday the Prez did a brief over view of what they discussed. Really it was only two things and it did not mention the invoice for his landscaping. Another homeowner asked a few questions about no communication in the community, it got a little heated and then the Prez stood up and said... "We don't have to tell you anything or even allow you to speak so at this time, we're done with this meeting". And everyone left.

Side note to both numbers above. I could not ask about this check that was issued to the prez because they do not show the prior month financials. They only show homeowners the financials from 2 months back. So, this was paid in July, we got Junes' financials. July financials will not be made public until Septembers meeting.
BillH10 (Texas)
Posts: 1,217
Posted:
Judy

I understand about the book. The Second Edition is the one you want from the Library. Have you tried Amazon or Half Price books for a used edition?

First, I'm not an attorney, not do I represent myself as being one. Any comments and advice I provide are based on my personal experience.

Is your association self managed or do you have a management company? Also, can you provide some general information regarding your association, such as number of members/homes, etc.

Using Assocation funds to reimburse an owner for expenditures to improve their own private property is completely inappropriate. Reimbursement for funds expended by a member of the association to improve the common area, while unusual, is probably justifiable. However, the whole project should have been reviewed and approved by the Board, in advance, and not just the ARC.

The only portion of the meeting allowed under Texas Law to be held privately is when the Board adjourns to convene in Executive Session. Based upon your statement that the President gave a synopsis of the discussion prior to 8:00 PM (which is required when the Board comes out of Executive Session), they may have been meeting in Executive Session. However, you are entitled to a copy of the agenda for the entire meeting, when did they transact normal business not involving collections, compliance, or personnel matters?

You are entitled to request, in writing at any time, a copy of or to review, records of the Association, regardless of whether or not they have been "published" to the Association. Texas Law permits the Association to charge you for copies, based on a schedule published in the Texas Property Code.

You cannot request records pertaining to other property owner accounts, personnel matters such as salaries and performance evaluations, and compliance matters as they pertain to a specific property owner. You can request a copy of the July Financial Report, with one caveat: the July report will depict June transactions unless whomever prepares the reports has already generated the "August" report which depicts July activity. The report depicting July activity is often not ready for publication in most Associations until the 10th or later business day of August.

JudyA3 (Texas)
Posts: 14
Posted:
Thank you Bill!

I understand your not an attorney, neither am I. It's just some people understand how things are written better than others. Hence why I came here.

I can't get this picture uploaded for some odd reason. It's smaller than the max size...ugh!!!
GeorgeR8 (Arizona)
Posts: 182
Posted:
You said the landscaping was done in a common area. That would be an association expense. Did the board ask him to get it done and promise to reimburse him? If that is the case I see nothing wrong.

GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
JudyA3, as far as posting pics or image links here, I don't think I've ever seen it done. Your best bet might be to upload the pics to one of the free image hosting sites, such as imgur, and link to it in a post here. The "a href=" tag works (using angle brackets and not quotes, if you're familiar with html).
JudyA3 (Texas)
Posts: 14
Posted:
This is getting juicy...

So the 3 ft Japanese Maple (less than 2 inch diameter in a 10-20 gal pot) that was planted in the common area cost us $1017.55. No, the president did not ask the board for prior approval, or for reimbursement until after it was completed.

Just this week I sent an email to the MC asking for documentation to support (receipt/invoice etc) this reimbursement. I could buy this tree at HD for $65. Anyway, the MC sent an email to the board (plus the ARC) advising of my request. The MC stated they did not mind telling me it was for landscaping but wanted to know how the bod felt about producing the receipt.

The response from the BO (6 total, plus ARC)

1. (ex-pres) Lets lie to her and say it was for something else
2. Oh your right #1, wink, wink. .... wasn't it for something else we discussed in the spring wink wink
3. Why do we have to answer to owners on how we spend our money
4. (president who received the reimbursement) I don't mind if she gets a copy of the receipt
5. You have to be kidding! If you where not on the board, wouldn't you want to know were your dues are going. give it to her
6. no response as he has checked out and no longer engaging in board discussion via email
7. ARC - no response

Am I not entitled to this? If not, then I'm ok with it and will leave it along. But it sure would of been nice to spend $1000 for several more trees that's needed in our community for shade, instead of this one under a huge oak tree.

JudyA3 (Texas)
Posts: 14
Posted:
I hope this works..

common area behind the homes
http://i.imgur.com/Tv0UlTN.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/o2MRs7L.jpg

pres. yard (common area) bench/birdbath - tree is behind birdbath
http://i.imgur.com/KzAAHme.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Ph6zoQ6.jpg

common area
http://i.imgur.com/Y68zvgl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/LEKuk3j.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/56NaKoH.jpg
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
JUDY

So what is the bottom line after all the posts? As I see it, all was done properly but you have issues with the cost of installing the tree. Am I correct?

Thanks
JudyA3 (Texas)
Posts: 14
Posted:
Sorry John..

But the installation of the tree was done without the BOD knowledge or approval. Then once it was completed he ask for reimbursement.

The BOD does not want to tell the truth as to why this was paid out.

This was not in our budget, nor was any other items considered being done since the BOD was willing to spend this kind of money on ONE tree.

He also had work done in his backyard and WE paid for it. That is what's not fair.

I truly don't mind spending money for beautification in our community, we have so much dirt and ugly areas. But when it's only in the BOD area, that concerns me, plus the price.
JudyA3 (Texas)
Posts: 14
Posted:
Bill - sorry for the delay I've answers your questions.

Quote:
Posted By BillH10 on 08/07/2015 8:33 AM
Judy

I understand about the book. The Second Edition is the one you want from the Library. Have you tried Amazon or Half Price books for a used edition?

Is your association self managed or do you have a management company? Also, can you provide some general information regarding your association, such as number of members/homes, etc. ********** 89

Using Assocation funds to reimburse an owner for expenditures to improve their own private property is completely inappropriate. Reimbursement for funds expended by a member of the association to improve the common area, while unusual, is probably justifiable. However, the whole project should have been reviewed and approved by the Board, in advance, and not just the ARC.

The only portion of the meeting allowed under Texas Law to be held privately is when the Board adjourns to convene in Executive Session. Based upon your statement that the President gave a synopsis of the discussion prior to 8:00 PM (which is required when the Board comes out of Executive Session), they may have been meeting in Executive Session. However, you are entitled to a copy of the agenda for the entire meeting, when did they transact normal business not involving collections, compliance, or personnel matters? ******** All of it, they finish prior to opening the doors to the owners and then only gives a synopsis (mostly 2 items only).

You are entitled to request, in writing at any time, a copy of or to review, records of the Association, regardless of whether or not they have been "published" to the Association. Texas Law permits the Association to charge you for copies, based on a schedule published in the Texas Property Code. ***** I'm waiting now to see if they will provide me a copy


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