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SusanH19 (Washington)
Posts: 2
Posted:
I am a member of a small (14 homes) HOA that has several acres of flower beds and lawn that were professionally landscaped to provide a park like environment. The majority of our monthly dues goes towards the maintenance of the common areas and the beautiful gardens are what makes our HOA unique and attractive to potential homeowners. We are not a designated 55 year+ community but all of the homeowners are over 55 or childless. A current homeowner has permitted his daughter and her husband and four small children under the age of 7 to move in to his empty unit. The family treats the common areas as their personal back yard and hosts regular parties in which large groups of children, usually unsupervised, play kickball, baseball and soccer. As a result sprinklers and plants, trees and shrubs have been damaged and the enjoyment of the common area has been disrupted. Our CC&Rs are specific that the common areas are subject to "reasonable rules and regulations" and that all homeowners have "a nonexclusive right to use the Common Area in accordance with the purposes for which it is intended without hindering the exercise of or encroaching upon the lawful rights of any other Unit Owners."

The HOA has attempted to gain the cooperation of the owner. He has threated suit under the FHA that protects the rights of children from discrimination if any attempt is made to restrict his family's unfettered access to the common areas.

The HOA understands that rules and regulations can not restrict access to children as a protected class. However, it would seem that the CC&Rs provide a legal authority for the HOA to restrict access to the common areas for certain activities that compromise the intended purpose of the common areas and mutual enjoyment of all homeowners. If not, what would prevent me from hosting a weekly softball practice in the common area?

Any experience with this issue or a similar one is greatly appreciated.
Susan
FredS7 (Arizona)
Posts: 927
Posted:
Previously you did not need a definition of "the purposes for which it is intended" and now you do. Write such a rule, get it adopted, and take steps to attempt to enforce it.

You are aware of the need to be non-discriminatory. Writing rules to prevent damage to plantings, etc. would probably be non-discriminatory. As far as the guy lawyering up- lawyers are expensive and this is probably just blowing smoke. And if he DOES you still have an opportunity to adjust before it gets expensive for the HOA.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
Fred's advice is good. If the damage being done is frequent enough it should be possible to take some before and after pictures. Consider sending the homeowner a bill for each thing damaged. Your CCRs probably allocate responsibility for such things to the individual owners. I would bend over backwards to avoid mentioning "the children" in any communication with the owner. Focus instead on the damage being done and make it clear who the HOA intends to make pay for it.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
If there is damage involved then take pictures. Use this to document the damage and send the bill to the owner of the unit. Damages to the common area does not exempt individual members from paying for it. If the area is used by the tenant/owner's guest, then the owner is responsible for the repairs. If they do not pay, then the HOA can place a lien on them for it.

It maybe that in this case it may be better for the HOA to sue. However, I would discuss this with a lawyer first. As the lien option has good teeth to it. However, they have to be given a chance to repair the damage FIRST before the HOA can step in to pay for it. It's either the owner pays for it, or the HOA pays and liens...

If they threaten a lawsuit, then let them. It's better that way. Then the HOA can counter-sue for the damages. They have to bring the burden of proof. Your HOA can too.

Your HOA may want to look into converting this area for large use area if nobody has much of a complaint. It may be something nice for the community if it's modified a bit. The HOA may decide to restrict it in other ways. If that is what you want. Let the majority of the HOA to decide.

Former HOA President
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Why do I see this as the old farts versus the kids?
PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
Because it is
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
After rereading that thread, it doesn't say if the letter worked or not.
The answer is that it worked partially.

In the most damaged area, we did end up spending $1,500 to seed the area. We roped off the area with stakes (that were about chest high) and caution tape. This was left up for 6-8 weeks. The turf reestablished itself and, perhaps due to the area being unavailable for 2 months, the activity that was causing the issue stopped.

SusanH19 (Washington)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Thanks for all the excellent comments and shared experiences.

The damage is primarily broken off sprinkler heads (from kids stepping on them while they are running/or intentionally, we have seen both) and stressed turf, a few plants have received "haircuts" by the 3 year old. The area where the lawn is used for kickball is completely worn to straw.

This is a very small complex and every home has patio access to the common area. It is landscaped to provide great views. The units have a zero lot line (this is a PUD) and each unit shares a common wall. We are the adjoining neighbors to the family with kids (who are renting)and have lived here 10 years. There is no question that the common areas were not designed for recreational play and large group sports. In addition to the damage, there is the crying, screaming and yelling that is a normal part of kids play and magnified when 7-8 friends (non-residents) are invited to play also so that group size swells to 11-18 kids. We can hear the noise inside our home with doors and windows shut. Outside on our patio it is deafening. So yes, this is a clash of old vs. young!

I am suggesting to our HOA that we have a community meeting to discuss the intended purpose of the common areas. The majority will not agree to the re-designation as a recreational area, as it was intended to be a park, for observing and light strolling.

The owner of the unit has lots of money and has been adamant that he will sue if his grandchildren are restricted. So the HOA feels very threatened and bullied.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Why feel threatened or bullied for a lawsuit statement? That is ridicoulous and pitiful. No need in it. So what if they sue? Go for it is my reply. The HOA can file a countersuit for their damages and cost less money to do so. Do not need a lawyer to counter sue filing. The HOA will need a lawyer to appear in court for them.

Look at the worst case scenerio if someone sues. Most likely it will work like an insurance claim. They may even provide the lawyer. Your insurance may be dropped or raised. However, it will be after the suit. So prepare to raise dues or have a special assessment to cover costs. If your qualified for FHA loans, refinance rates maybe effected as this would be reported on the PUD form. Lastly, my common advice is suing your HOA is suing yourself and your neighbors. So if you can swallow that fact, then go for a case. Otherwise its just BS...

Former HOA President
FredS7 (Arizona)
Posts: 927
Posted:
> This is a very small complex and every home has patio access to the common area. It is landscaped to provide great views.

You could consider reprogramming the common area. Maybe install a gazebo in the middle? It could be desirable to almmost all of the owners.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By FredS7 on 08/03/2015 6:15 PM
> This is a very small complex and every home has patio access to the common area. It is landscaped to provide great views.

You could consider reprogramming the common area. Maybe install a gazebo in the middle? It could be desirable to almmost all of the owners.

Good suggestion.

Another one would be to install paved walking trails and other landscape.

Minimizing the area for play may deter the play, or at least the type of play.
PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
THERS SHALL BE NO PLAY ~ THIS IS A FUN-FREE ZONE

Same signage we have at our old fogie pool in our 55+ community.
PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
oops:

THEIR SHALL BE NO PLAY ~ THIS IS A FUN-FREE ZONE

Same signage we have at the pool in our 55+ community.

Not discriminatory, applies to everyone

ps. if a child is 'dislodging' irrigation sprinkler heads with normal play perhaps y'all may want to have them installed PROPERLY
PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
oops oops:

Quote:
Posted By PitA on 08/04/2015 11:02 AM
oops:

THERE SHALL BE NO PLAY ~ THIS IS A FUN-FREE ZONE

Same signage we have at the pool in our 55+ community.

Not discriminatory, applies to everyone

ps. if a child is 'dislodging' irrigation sprinkler heads with normal play perhaps y'all may want to have them installed PROPERLY

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