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MikeS1
Posts: 668
Posted:
Has anyone had any experience with shutting down amenities that don't make financial sense any longer? Our pool maintenance contract is $35,000 and that doesn't include the water bill, the electric bill, liability insurance, Pool ID's etc., and so the annual cost per household is over $100. While it seems that pools were very popular years ago, interest has wained and it's usage is minimal. While you could also argue that the pool helps with resale value in terms of marketing your home, I'm not so sure that the pool is not really a deal-breaker these days. I'm just curious if anyone else has had any experience with closing down an amenity like this when it just didn't make sense to retain it any longer. Any ideas?
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
Mike: I would congratulate you on your common sense with an amenity which is not funding itself and is costing more to maintain than it's worth. I, too, agree that you need to be realistic and if interest has wained and usage is minimal, then what to do? Close it up? Cement it over and designate an area for bocce ball/tennis, perhaps an area to congregate together with park benches/gazebo?

The only possible problem which comes to mind may be how your covenant docs are worded. That's not to say that if the appropriate majority is in favor of doing away with the pool, then a change of wording in the covenant will be required and then appropriately filed and made a matter of record.

Keep us posted and good luck in your efforts.

GloriaM (North Carolina)
Posts: 829
Posted:
Mike:

You would need a membership vote by 2/3rds of the Owners to vote in favor of such a move. I wouldn't do a thing until the members all had input.
RaymondC (Minnesota)
Posts: 64
Posted:
You might consider a broader viewpoint toward ameneties. Everything in the building doesn't have to make financial sense, and a purely financial view does not factor in resident wishes, or attractiveness.

I really don't know how your community feels about the presence of the pool, or the potential buyers in your area feel about it. My point is, neither do you. Perhaps, it would be a good idea to find out, and keep in mind everything cannot be measured in dollars.

By the way, I'm not in favor of keeping or closing the pool, just in favor of moving the discussion first to the people who live with the amenities and then those who might do so.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I had the same issue for years with my HOA. Many homeowner's just hated the pool and found it "useless" to them. However, they were willing to keep paying the money for the upkeep because it added to the resale value of their homes and for the other people who did enjoy it could keep it. It didn't matter if they ever used the pool or not.

I would start shopping around for better options for the pool care. Do you have any residents/members that have pool experience? We had a couple close by that was willing to keep the pool up for little as long as we provided the chemicals.

We paid about $250 a month for pool maintenance person. They were responsible for keeping the chemicals at proper levels and cleaning the pool. The pool person ordered the chemicals, cleaning supplies, or repair items and the HOA paid for them. We didn't pay the pool person any "finder's fees" for buying products.

We here locally have many pool shops that offer classes on pool care. They are either "free" or cost a few hundred dollars. That entitled someone from our community to be qualified to take care of the pool if they so volunteered. I was versed enough in pool care to know what was going on. Which that alone helped from being ripped off.

I would start shopping around for different cheaper options. Make sure you can get out of the pool care contract you currently have if need be. There may be a 30 day notice of cancellation. So do your shopping around prior to deciding to let anyone go. I bet the pool care you have may have been established years ago and no one questioned it. That happened with me and our landscaping contractor. He asked for a raise which made me start shopping around. Turns out he was getting paid better than average.

Former HOA President
BobM5 (California)
Posts: 34
Posted:
Your costs are too high. Here in Palm Springs, CA we pay $200 a month for twice weekly pool and spa service which includes chemicals.
SwanB (Washington)
Posts: 199
Posted:
We have the biggest outdoor pool in our county and our maintenance costs don't come close to yours. Our pool is heated with propane gas and maintained by our two caretakers. While not every one of our members would claim they use the pool at our recent annual general meeting the talk of losing any of our amenities lead to the predominant feeling that a loss would lower our property values and resale prices. Those members who don't use the pool or the tennis courts are willing to maintain and improve them for the good of their property investment.
I echo the other members of this forum who are suggesting your HOA find out how all your members feel about this before any action is taken; other than finding someone with lower prices to maintain your pool.
AllisonG (Nevada)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Our board also pondered closing the pool for the summer to save money. I asked the Nevada Ombudsmans office for advise. I was told that the pool was an amenity that had to be kept open unless a majority of the owners voted to eliminate it.
MikeS1
Posts: 668
Posted:
Well it's a given that this would require a community vote of 75% as per the CCR's and it's also a given that we would have to formally survey all the owners; however, based in spot surveys up to this point, it seems that most of the residents could care less. Some of them might make the argument that it's a resale advantage when folks are looking for a home, but any more alot of buyers don't care these days and they realize that the pool is a huge drain (now pun intended) on the budget.

Also, we just bid out the pool contract and perhaps it's a function of the region where we're located, but we know that the contract price is competitive. There are 3 lifeguards on a rotating schedule and occasionally during the holidays, it's necessary to have 2 lifeguards on duty at the same time, due to the number of people in the pool. Most of the time during the week, the pool is virtually empty and it gets nominal use over the W/E. I see where a lot of community pools do not have lifeguards and that just blows my mind. I don't know how they can get away with a "swim at your own risk" scenario. People around here are just very litigious.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
No wonder! You have lifeguards! That puts another angle onto this. It's the lifeguards that are part of your issue. There's nothing wrong with "Swim at your own risk". That's pretty much a legal disclaimer there alone. It says that if you choose to swim at this pool, you do so at your risk and NOT ours.
Is the risk of a lawsuit that scary that you would rather keep putting money into this situation? Hate to tell you, but your going to get sued regardless of lifeguards or not. That's just life.
IMO I would get rid of the lifeguards, post a "Swim at your own risk sign", and invest in good liability insurance coverage. Seriously, you need to talk with an insurance agent and find out the options. It may be cheaper to pay for better insurance coverage than keep trying to prevent inevitable accidents.
Recently, I was at a public pool. (don't drink the water!) A kid decided to do a backflip off the diving board. He flipped into the air and missed the pool! Landed directly on his head at the side of the pool. There were lots of lifeguards around. However, they didn't see the accident until someone screamed. Now, did the accident happen? Yes. Were their safeguards in place to prevent it? Yes. Do you think the waterpark may get sued? Probably. Was it their fault? That's for a court to decide. If they do sue and win, the park's insurance will pay out.
Believe me, I am the last person to say "fire lifeguards". I've been a lifeguard and had a step-brother who almost drowned in a pool causing severe brain damage. He died 2 years ago. You can't prevent accidents and swimming is inherently dangerous activity. You drive your car every day at your own risk. So beef up the insurance coverage and reduce your costs. If you feel better, just have the lifeguards available at peak periods on the weekends/holidays.

Former HOA President
JonD1
Posts: 2,350
Posted:
Mike:

How many months per year is your pool open?

How many units?

We reduced the time our pool is open during the Summer months and saved some $$$.

We also changed the hours of operation to reduce our costs also.

In our area we can either elect to have lifeguards, attendents, or no one.

Some complexes in my area have asecurity keypad and this system allows owner operation. The MC we use says this sytem works out well.

We now have several Board members who would also like to shut down our pool.

Having lived here for 22 years and never once used the pool I find that option more appealing each year due to the cost versus usage formula that guides my decision process.

Let us know how you make out.

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