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BettyF2 (New Jersey)
Posts: 18
Posted:
I recently moved to a HOA. It is approximately 13 years old. When it was built, trees were planted just on the edge of your property in the front of each house. Thru the years, these street trees roots have grown thru the grass and are beginning to uproot many sidewalks along side your home (which you own). In 2013, the Board passed a resolution indicating that these trees which are on owner's property will now become the lot owners' responsibility to either maintain, remove, replace. etc. I checked with the Property Mgmt Office, and they told me it was my responsibility now due to the resolution. I had been on 2 other HOA boards, and never experienced passing responsibility on to a homeonwer without a bylaw amendment. Is this something they can do. Many of my neighbors have questioned it as well, but no one does anything about challenging it. Thank you. This will be costly for me to remove and repair my buckeled sidewalk.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
You'll have to check your bylaws again - look at the Board powers to see if they can do this, although it doesn't seem appropriate. Bylaws usually dictate how the Association (a non-profit corporation) is to be run, whereas the CCRs dictate how the common area is to be used. Usually, the Board can pass resolutions setting additional rules, as long as they don't contradict the Bylaws or CCRs. Check your CCRs as well to see what it says about the trees - are they considered part of the common area? If so, the association may be responsible for maintaining or replacing the trees, but nothing else.

A side comment - the trouble with developers is that they often plant trees because they look good, but don't think about what problems they may cause down the road (probably because they'll be long gone by then). People don't always realize that tree roots are twice as long as the tree is tall and they're always growing to see out water sources - that's why you run into problems with the concrete.

You said the sidewalk is yours, so you'll probably have to bite the bullet and pay those costs, although I personally think it would be better if the Association paid the costs of removing the tree. They might have considered that too, but found it too expensive. If you and your neighbors are unhappy about this, all of you need to go to the Board and ask questions. If things come to a head, you and your neighbors may need to consider if you want this Board to remain. If not, check the Bylaws about calling a special meeting to recall them - and be prepared to have some homeowners ready to assume those spots - and then they'll have to address the tree root issue and consider whether all the homeowners, including you, are willing to pay higher assessments to address it now and in the future. Good luck!

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
What did/does the CC&R's have to say about ownership and/or maintenance of both the sidewalks and the trees?
BettyF2 (New Jersey)
Posts: 18
Posted:
I spoke to neighbors on my street. While they agree, they have gone along with what they are being told by the board, and the management company. My survey doesn't even show the trees on the document. The landscapers who are hired by the HOA cannot even drive over the roots. They use a weed whacker which makes it look crappy. Like I mentioned previously, I couldn't find anything in the bylaws, and when I asked about this resolution, I was told, this is the way it is. I was not an owner here when the resolution was passed. Perhaps in previous comments I have read, it was done because they couldn't get a majority vote to pass an amendment.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
Betty, you'll have to look at the language of your CCRs and other docs. If they assign responsibility for the trees to the HOA then a mere resolution would not be enough to foist off responsibility for them onto the owners. It would take an amendment to the docs.
BettyF2 (New Jersey)
Posts: 18
Posted:
Well, I just spoke to the neighbor on the other side of my house. She now tells me that the 2nd tree on the other side of me is also mine, according to her. So, now I have 2 trees to worry about. I will check the CCR's and send a letter to the board for a response. The builder of this community was very popular in the area. He planted those trees, and I was told that the town made him plant them.. Who knows. The roads are private, and we have private garbage pickup and snow removal. But the trees are ruining my property, and both are near electric boxes that are on adjacent properties.
NancyG3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 342
Posted:
Betty - check your property plat and see where your property lines are, this will tell you if the other tree is on your property. The plat will also show your easements and what is common area. The Board's duty is to maintain the common areas. We have the same problem in our community where trees were planted to close to homes now that they have grown. I just had to have one removed and paid for it $150. You can also check with your Town and see if the sidewalks are their responsibility since they are responsible for the roads. Get a letter from your BOD explaining their decision. Get a price on what it will cost to correct your problem. Hope this helps.
PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
tree on community property - community maintains

tree on your property - you maintain

your tree damages someone else's property - you pay

you own property and building - there ARE expenses

consider relocating somewhere more affordable

2 trees, sheeeez, what a major expense

(less than a new refrigerator or dishwasher)
BettyF2 (New Jersey)
Posts: 18
Posted:
Easy to suggest relocating. I just moved here in December. I knew nothing about the "resolution" that the board passed in 2013. Thank you for your feedback.
ND (PA)
Posts: 792
Posted:
Betty,

What sort of community do you live in? Single family homes, condos, townhouses?

You mentioned that the HOA-hired landscapers cannot even drive over the tree's roots. So it sounds to me like the HOA maintains at least your lawn. Do they maintain more than that? Planting beds in front of your home perhaps? Did they previously maintain the trees?

It sounds to me like the trees may have previously been maintained by the HOA, but now that they've become a nuisance, the HOA is trying to pass the buck to individual homeowners . . . which in my opinion certainly doesn't seem right even though they may have added the resolution appropriately (although that needs to be investigated too).

As suggested by many others, you need to thoroughly read your documents (both older versions and newer ones with the latest amendments). That should tell you who is responsible for what. Even if permitted by the documents, the sudden change from HOA responsibility to homeowner responsibility for these trees is an underhanded way of dealing with an issue that they didn't have the foresight to tackle earlier.
BettyF2 (New Jersey)
Posts: 18
Posted:
@ ND:
It is a gated 55+ community that is approximately 13-14 years old. Single family homes, you own the house and the land it sits upon. My land is approx 130' long and about 50' wide.

I was handed a nicely sealed package of the bylaws at closing. It's about 2" thick. But I have read thru it. Two years ago, the board passed the resolution that "street trees" on lot owners property will be come the lot owners' responsibility. The resolution does mention it was formerly maintained by the association on owners property.
It continues to say that homeowners are responsible for any damage caused by the trees to driveways, sidewalks,etc.
BettyF2 (New Jersey)
Posts: 18
Posted:
The landscapers only mow the lawn, and shovel the snow from our sidewalks and driveways. Each homeowner is responsible for gardening, additional landscaping, stonework.
ND (PA)
Posts: 792
Posted:
The Board's actions in my opinion seem "shady" indeed (pun intended). You and your neighbors (who also have trees) definitely need to get to the bottom of whether the resolution was created and passed appropriately.

Unfortunately the issue of trees lifting sidewalks and driveways needs to be addressed. And it will be an expensive issue. It's just a matter of if the expense will be burdened by the entire HOA or only the homes who have these street trees. Before the resolution, it may have been the entire HOA. With the resolution, the expense is now to be burdened by the individual homeowners.

Those without street trees will be in favor of putting the burden on you. And you will likely be in favor of how it was previously (a shared expense). Are street tree people the majority or minority? Something to think about if this topic needs to be challenged.

If homeowners are responsible, what's to stop you all today from going out with chainsaws and cutting these trees down? That's what I would do, since I'd much rather not have a tree than spend thousands replacing sidewalks, driveways, etc. Sure, you'll lose the aesthetics of the trees, but that's what the Board's resolution will drive people to do. Perhaps that was not their intent either.
BettyF2 (New Jersey)
Posts: 18
Posted:
@ ND:
Every home has a street tree. There are 1800+ homes in this community. The main roadway is a circle that is over a 3 mile walk, with side streets. Now, I come to find out last night, that my adjacent neighbors tell me both trees are mine. And, both trees are very close to the above ground power boxes (which are not on my property).
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Betty

The questions is are you trying to get out of paying by saying the BOID did not have the right to say what they said?

We have had a few go arounds in my HOA about our identical, existing fences as ir around each backyard. As we read our Covenants, the owners are responsible for maintaining the fences. We sent out a letter quoting the Covenants (which are rather clear) to clarify this. Of course we got pushback like some saying they were told otherwise when they bought, some threatening to sue, etc. Sorry folks but the Covenants are clear.
BettyF2 (New Jersey)
Posts: 18
Posted:
@ John:
Thank you for your message, which is not accurate on my question. I'm not trying to "get out of paying". I have the funds to pay for tree removal. My question initially is, does a resolution overrule the master deed, why did they do a resolution vs an amendment to the bylaws.

In NJ, the Master Deed and NJ Condominium Law Act supersede the resolution or any amendment if they conflict with other sections in the master deed/bylaws.

The HOA has paid for 12 years the maintenance of these trees, albeit removal, trimming, or maintenance if hit by lightning. Now that they are creating problems with driveways and sidewalks, and the ability for the landscapers to even mow the lawn because the roots are large, stick well above the ground and grass height.

I cam on this thread topic to try to get other perspectives from other homeowners. Take care,

NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
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Posted By BettyF2 on 07/28/2015 2:59 PM
In 2013, the Board passed a resolution indicating that these trees which are on owner's property will now become the lot owners' responsibility to either maintain, remove, replace. etc.

If there's nothing in the CC&Rs that require the HOA to maintain the trees on your lot, then I think the resolution was sufficient. Nothing needs amending if there's no formal obligation to maintain.

Makes no difference that service was previously provided by HOA. Board had the right to stop at any time since there was no obligation.

As a practical matter, if I was on your board, I would have probably voted in favor of the resolution. It's not just about shifting responsibility. There is also the difficult question of which sidewalks get replaced/repaired and which one's don't and which trees get removed or saved. Wherever you try to draw the line, there's always going to be push back. And IMO your board is being smart by avoiding the squabbles. Been there - done that.

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
BettyF2 (New Jersey)
Posts: 18
Posted:
Thank you for your clarification. This also involves common area sidewalks along the street. The roots are bumping up the concrete. In fact, some roots are also lifting up the roadway causing the asphalt to crack.

I have a professional coming over Friday to take care of removing both trees, and contacting the utility companies prior to removal. I also will get their insurance certificates for the HOA, and this particular company came highly recommended by the management office.

Take care,
ND (PA)
Posts: 792
Posted:
Betty,

IMO, you're moving too quickly on having the trees removed. In the short term, they aren't going to cause anymore damage than they already have. You have many weeks and months to possibly sort this out with your neighbors and the HOA.

IMO, your Board has potentially made a bad move in dealing with this issue. But not being able to review your documents and plat, I can't really say for sure.

Making each individual homeowner responsible, you are forever going to have repair crews in your neighborhood (hired by each individual homeowner) doing tree work, fixing sidewalks, repairing driveways, etc. The result will no longer be the aesthetically uniform design that you currently have. Maybe nobody cares about that though. Individually you will each be paying through the nose to have the work done. You local contractors will love you. Collectively, you could benefit greatly from economies of scale. Companies could work large sections of your development simultaneously and price per tree/sidewalk would be greatly reduced.

From what you say, you haven't even confirmed that the trees are on your property. It's possible that if you remove a tree that's not yours, then the owner (neighbor or HOA) will come after you to replace it (potentially with similar size). You'll be paying even more.

IMO, you should sort this all out before you proceed in any single direction.

Bottom line, docs should say if HOA is/was responsible for maintaining. If they weren't responsible initially, then no resolution should have been necessary . . . they could have just made the statement that they won't be maintaining anymore. However, I'm led to believe that they were originally responsible, and now they are improperly and unwisely (IMO) shifting that responsibility to the homeowners without really thinking it all through.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Betty,

What you would have to do is either:

1) gather support to pass an amendment to the Bylaws or CC&Rs which would superscede the resolution.
2) gather support to get yourself and other like minded individuals elected to the Board to abolish/amend the resolution
3) challenge the resolution in court.

Such issues for the challenge would be the Association specifying that they had the right to plant the trees without the owners permission. Case law on who is responsible for the trees (such law is changing as communities become built closer and closer together). If said area of the planting was in an easement or not (and who has the easement). Case law on responsibility for easement maintenance. Applicable statutes. Any conflict between the CC&Rs, Articles of Incorporation or Bylaws and the resolution. etc.

I agree it's lousy what your Association has done. Somebody in the past thought tree lined streets would look good and used the Association authority and money to make it happen. Unfortunately, as often happens, nobody involved in the process brought up the long term issues that you are experiencing now.

Hope this helps,

Tim
BettyF2 (New Jersey)
Posts: 18
Posted:
Tim, thanks so much for your comments. Betty Ann
ND (PA)
Posts: 792
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TimB4 on 07/30/2015 3:48 AM

I agree it's lousy what your Association has done. Somebody in the past thought tree lined streets would look good and used the Association authority and money to make it happen. Unfortunately, as often happens, nobody involved in the process brought up the long term issues that you are experiencing now.

Hope this helps,

Tim

It's my understanding from the original post that it was the developer/builder who originally installed the trees. So I don't think HOA authority or funds had anything to do with it. However, your point about nobody involved (Developer, HOA Board, or Owners) really thinking long term is accurate.

I've provided input and am passionate about this exact topic because in my HOA, we have the same issue. We have roughly 250 street trees throughout our neighborhood in a 3' wide grass easement between the street curb and sidewalk. We're only approx. 8 year old and haven't seen signs of root damage, but I don't think it's too far away. I'm not so sure we've planned appropriately for the future either . . . need to read our docs more closely! Whatever the decision though for us, I certainly don't think it would be proper to dump it on individual homeowners.
AllisonD (Florida)
Posts: 449
Posted:
I have a problem with trees as well. The trees are large oaks and they are beautiful and provide shade and housing for beautiful birds and sometimes racoons and squirrels. Some residents hate the trees and want them gone, other residents love the trees and want them to remain. The tree roots do push up the sidewalks and driveways in a few spots, and some cause the driveways to be dirty. The problem I have is that its against city ordinance to cut down a tree. It needs to be dead, dying or struck by lightening. You then have to plant a new tree in its place. Our documents are silent on the trees. So we made a policy that mimics the city ordinance and requires one of those reasons to cut down the tree and we approved a large list of replacement trees chosen by a master gardener for their ability to thrive in our conditions here. One problem is that for the folks who do not agree with the policy or ordinance, they simply kill the tree or cut it down without permission. Others hack it up so bad that it does not resemble a tree anymore. If the board says 'ok the association will take care of all trees from now on', it will cost a small fortune. And folks will still kill the trees or cut them down. Yes we are allowed to fine the violators and we do but big deal, they got what they wanted with a small fine. I would say the community is divided in half on this issue. If we put it to vote and the majority want the trees gone, trees must be planted in their place. And what about those folks who do not want the trees gone? Do we make them cut down their trees so the neighborhood can look somewhat in conformity? So for now we are sticking with the policy and deal with each difficult situation as it arises.
BettyF2 (New Jersey)
Posts: 18
Posted:
question: if it is a private community and the roads are private, how can a township tree ordinance be utilized? thank you.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By BettyF2 on 07/30/2015 6:26 PM
question: if it is a private community and the roads are private, how can a township tree ordinance be utilized? thank you.

I believe Allison was saying that the ordinance was used as an example to draft their rule on trees.
AllisonD (Florida)
Posts: 449
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Posted By BettyF2 on 07/30/2015 6:26 PM
question: if it is a private community and the roads are private, how can a township tree ordinance be utilized? thank you.

The private communities can create stricter rules than the city/town but we cannot create more lenient rules. We are not sovereign territories; you still have to obey the laws of the land. The private communities cannot say its ok to smoke pot (in Florida), commit murder, drive drunk or burglarize a house. We cannot give residents permission to break the law.

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