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GwenM2 (Georgia)
Posts: 2
Posted:
I moved into a 109-single-family-residence subdivision a few months ago, not as a homeowner but signing a 2-yr. lease. (Yes, I know that Renters are considered scum of the earth, bottom-dwelling slimy oozing toads because they care not for their communities!) The homes I have owned were custom built in the $800.000-900,000 range, where I served as designer and general Contractor. Now, being disabled, I am renting in a community of $195,000 private properties, with only the few common areas landscaped through HOA dues, no pool, parking lots or tennis court.

I have not met any neighbors, but last week a woman stormed into the yard, and loudly verbally attacked a visiting friend who was watering potted flowers on the front porch. My frightened friend ran inside to get me in the dining room, closing the front door behind her. My friend was so scared, she couldn't immediately find the words to have me come outside with her. There were three of us in the dining room. After about 15 seconds, the front door burst open and this angry female that I had never seen rushed 20 feet into my house, through the entry way and making a right turn into the dining room. She stopped only because she ran into my wheelchair that I was occupying, almost falling on top of me.

The raging intruder stood towering over me and kept yelling in my face, "Are YOU the renter?!" When I could get a word in and while reaching for my phone to call 911, I very calmly replied, "Yes" and gave my first name only. I quickly decided it would be best to protect my guests and myself by remaining calm and defusing the volatile situation, deflating her rage. The intruder then started screaming about pine straw in a front bed that she did not like and demanded that I IMMEDIATELY replace it, or else. Only then as she took a breath, could I ask who she was. Her reply, "The President of the Board." (I assumed the HOA Board, but I knew that the President was a man. The intruder then demanded to know what I was doing in the dining room, to which I calmly replied, "Teaching a music lesson and you are interrupting, you need to leave now." She demanded to know what kind of music and then demanded my phone number, saying she would call me that night. She never called. The next morning I delivered an Incident Report to the property management company asking for their help with this crazy person. Outside, I noticed that had someone had trespassed during the night, haphazardly throwing pine straw in part of a front planting bed. Now, the bed looks terrible! I assume it was this crazy woman. I keep the yard well-maintained with a professional landscape service, beautifully trimmed bushes, edging, etc. that strictly conforms to the covenants and with other homes.

I have done some research and learned that the home invading terrorizer is an HOA Board member. Covenants state that 10 days notice be given, and repairs, maintenance, replacement be completed 10 days after receipt of notice. If not capable of being completed within 10 days, then to be completed within a reasonable time. Only then can the HOA provide such deemed maintenance, assessing the cost to the Owner. Should I file a police report for this home invasion? Will I suffer with more Board abuse if I refuse to play a victim? I am still shaking and living as a hermit.

Thanks for any advice,
Gwen
DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
Posted:
It's not too late to call the police and report the trespass, breaking and entering, and home invasion.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
I'm guessing when you reached for your phone to call 911 you didn't actually place the call. Douglas's advice is good, call the police now to report the trespass and, if you have 2 witnesses, home invasion.

Not all owners consider renters to be as you have characterized them. Perhaps that outlook comes from being in $800,000 communities, but it's not universal. In any case, you don't have to play the victim. Nor should you. Call the police and if people see the cop car parked outside your place and ask you about it, tell them what happened. You should also let your landlord know what happened. If I was a non-resident owner and heard that board members were harrassing my tenants I wouldn't be too happy about it.

There's no need to get hyper-aggressive, but you should stick to your guns (and not in a Florida kind of way, if you get my drift). Home invasion is a serious offense and the woman needs to have someone with a badge put the fear of God into her.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
This is NOT a HOA issue. It is a Police one. You need to make a police report each and every time. Buy a calendar and mark down date and times of incidents if they continue. The HOA should know better to talk to renters. They have no jurisdictions over them. Only the owners. If the person has an issue, they are to bring it up to your landlord. The landlord is the one that feet are held to the fire for violations.

Your lease should have included reference to you obeying the HOA rules. If not, (as many don't)then the landlord can't kick you out for not adhering to them. Your lease agreement conditions are your contract. If the owner is fined, then they can't pass that onto you nor make you pay the dues on their behalf. (Except in Florida where if an owner is facing foreclosure, the renter can pay the dues to remain in the residence). Plus the HOA has to have a "fining schedule" in order to even issue fines to the owner. Having rental property or even them having rental restrictions are not exactly enforceable. Something your landlord can fight.

It doesn't matter how much money the home costs or if they are in a gated community. This forum we have people who live in mobile home parks, campgrounds, condos, patio homes, and gated high fluent areas. The rules are still the same... Follow what is written, modify/change those that don't work/needed, and be involved...

Former HOA President
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MelissaP1 on 07/22/2015 1:16 PM
This is NOT a HOA issue. It is a Police one. You need to make a police report each and every time. Buy a calendar and mark down date and times of incidents if they continue. The HOA should know better to talk to renters. They have no jurisdictions over them. Only the owners. If the person has an issue, they are to bring it up to your landlord. The landlord is the one that feet are held to the fire for violations.

Your lease should have included reference to you obeying the HOA rules. If not, (as many don't)then the landlord can't kick you out for not adhering to them. Your lease agreement conditions are your contract. If the owner is fined, then they can't pass that onto you nor make you pay the dues on their behalf. (Except in Florida where if an owner is facing foreclosure, the renter can pay the dues to remain in the residence). Plus the HOA has to have a "fining schedule" in order to even issue fines to the owner. Having rental property or even them having rental restrictions are not exactly enforceable. Something your landlord can fight.

It doesn't matter how much money the home costs or if they are in a gated community. This forum we have people who live in mobile home parks, campgrounds, condos, patio homes, and gated high fluent areas. The rules are still the same... Follow what is written, modify/change those that don't work/needed, and be involved...

The HOA Board member who entered their residence MADE it an HOA issue.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RichardP13 on 07/22/2015 1:23 PM
Posted By MelissaP1 on 07/22/2015 1:16 PM
This is NOT a HOA issue. It is a Police one. You need to make a police report each and every time. Buy a calendar and mark down date and times of incidents if they continue. The HOA should know better to talk to renters. They have no jurisdictions over them. Only the owners. If the person has an issue, they are to bring it up to your landlord. The landlord is the one that feet are held to the fire for violations.

Your lease should have included reference to you obeying the HOA rules. If not, (as many don't)then the landlord can't kick you out for not adhering to them. Your lease agreement conditions are your contract. If the owner is fined, then they can't pass that onto you nor make you pay the dues on their behalf. (Except in Florida where if an owner is facing foreclosure, the renter can pay the dues to remain in the residence). Plus the HOA has to have a "fining schedule" in order to even issue fines to the owner. Having rental property or even them having rental restrictions are not exactly enforceable. Something your landlord can fight.

It doesn't matter how much money the home costs or if they are in a gated community. This forum we have people who live in mobile home parks, campgrounds, condos, patio homes, and gated high fluent areas. The rules are still the same... Follow what is written, modify/change those that don't work/needed, and be involved...


The HOA Board member who entered their residence MADE it an HOA issue.

I do not see how the HOA is responsible for an overly aggressive/crazy BOD Member. Censure them for their behavior is fine but the OP should call the police.

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
No the HOA member made it a POLICE issue. The HOA does NOT protect you from violating laws. There is no such thing as a "HOA shield/Dome". It does not automatically allow one to walk into your home uninvited or without prior notice. You are still subject to arrest. Saying it's in the vain of "HOA business" does not shield one.

This is still a POLICE matter. Regardless HOA board member or not. Enter my home without permission and 911 will be dialed... With or without the gunshot wound...

Former HOA President
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnC46 on 07/22/2015 1:45 PM
Posted By RichardP13 on 07/22/2015 1:23 PM
Posted By MelissaP1 on 07/22/2015 1:16 PM
This is NOT a HOA issue. It is a Police one. You need to make a police report each and every time. Buy a calendar and mark down date and times of incidents if they continue. The HOA should know better to talk to renters. They have no jurisdictions over them. Only the owners. If the person has an issue, they are to bring it up to your landlord. The landlord is the one that feet are held to the fire for violations.

Your lease should have included reference to you obeying the HOA rules. If not, (as many don't)then the landlord can't kick you out for not adhering to them. Your lease agreement conditions are your contract. If the owner is fined, then they can't pass that onto you nor make you pay the dues on their behalf. (Except in Florida where if an owner is facing foreclosure, the renter can pay the dues to remain in the residence). Plus the HOA has to have a "fining schedule" in order to even issue fines to the owner. Having rental property or even them having rental restrictions are not exactly enforceable. Something your landlord can fight.

It doesn't matter how much money the home costs or if they are in a gated community. This forum we have people who live in mobile home parks, campgrounds, condos, patio homes, and gated high fluent areas. The rules are still the same... Follow what is written, modify/change those that don't work/needed, and be involved...


The HOA Board member who entered their residence MADE it an HOA issue.


I do not see how the HOA is responsible for an overly aggressive/crazy BOD Member. Censure them for their behavior is fine but the OP should call the police.


When they opened their mouth and said "I am the President of the Board" it became an HOA issue. Right or wrong they were acting under authority of the Association.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
WHAT??? You serious??? What kind of logic is that??? NO... Telling someone your a member of your HOA's board does NOT make it HOA business. It just makes you an idiot that now someone can go find you... Plus telling someone your on the board doesn't make you exempt from following the law.

Yeah, it will become HOA business later when people question about having such a person on the board. However, until then, it's still a POLICE matter.

Former HOA President
AnnH5 (Florida)
Posts: 304
Posted:
Yes, it is a police matter. However, this woman is also representing the Board. She is a legal liability for the HOA if she is illegally entering the home, harassing the tenant, and mischievously vandalizing or messing with the property "on behalf of the HOA".
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
No she was NOT representing the board or the HOA. She IDENTIFIED herself as a board member. To represent the board, the board must grant permissions to do so. She just opened the whole HOA to a possible lawsuit by mentioning she was representing them. So if you want to go with the whole "HOA issue" thing, consider the whole HOA and it's members served...

Do you really want this person representing your HOA or board? I think not. So I would still treat this as an individual issue and call the police. The board or members can then decide amongst themselves to vote this person off the board due to their actions.

Former HOA President
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
Without the authorization of the board, there's no way her actions can be attributable to "the board". She represented only herself regardless of anything she claimed to the contrary. This is not an HOA issue. If I break into my neighbor's house and shoot his dog while yelling "I AM ON THE BOARD!" that does not make the board or the HOA responsible for my own bizarre and illegal behavior.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
May I add the fact that I was a HOA president and board member??? I may know a few things on how to represent a HOA and how to represent myself as a regular homeowner... HOA board or officer status does not make you above the law or law enforcers. The only laws I could enforce is the HOA's. Which even then had to be in accordance to the law. Representing the HOA, does not exempt me from bad behavior...

Former HOA President
BanksS
Posts: 403
Posted:
Hmm interesting story. I'm not buying it. Could be true but I'm skeptical.
PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
IMO:

(paraphrasing)

There's no need to get hyper-aggressive, but you should stick to your guns (in a Florida kind of way, if you get my drift). Home invasion is a serious offense and the woman needs to have someone with a badge put the fear of God into her.

I believe that Georgia is, in fact, a 'stand your ground' state.

You stated that you were, in fact, afraid.
You were, in fact, in your home.
You therefor had a legal right to use deadly force.

Done.

or

Call the police and press charges if requested.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Ya' now, Banks--I'm a little skeptical too.

But, if real life, the O.P should call the police now and keep track of any future incidents with cameras, etc.

There OP ALSO should complain to the Owner in writing--it IS the Owner who can complain to the Board and even ask it to censure the director.

She CAN do both and not just one or the other.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
I'm also in the somewhat skeptical camp. If it's true, though, having two witnesses should be invaluable. That police report should be filed ASAP.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MelissaP1 on 07/22/2015 1:48 PM
No the HOA member made it a POLICE issue. The HOA does NOT protect you from violating laws. There is no such thing as a "HOA shield/Dome". It does not automatically allow one to walk into your home uninvited or without prior notice. You are still subject to arrest. Saying it's in the vain of "HOA business" does not shield one.

This is still a POLICE matter. Regardless HOA board member or not. Enter my home without permission and 911 will be dialed... With or without the gunshot wound...

It is why we have criminal courts and civil courts. Look up the role of HOA president. They are the "official" spokesperson of the Board and Association. Who's to know if this type of behavior was commonplace?

I believe this to be both a criminal case and potential civil case. My opinion.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Yes it is a potential civil and criminal... It is just against the individual and NOT the HOA. Otherwise, the HOA is on the hook for the lawsuit. Hence why a neighborhood watch should never ever be part of the HOA budget or supported... Some overzealous watch captain shoots a person. They are also on the board... Who gets jailed and who gets sued? The HOA and all its members gets the civil suit and the person gets time....

Former HOA President
PamM6 (Michigan)
Posts: 41
Posted:
Absolutely file a police report! Don't hesitate and don't be hesitant with what you have to say. What you've written here is a good summary. Good luck!
AnnH5 (Florida)
Posts: 304
Posted:
I agree with you Richard. What I find odd is that some people will bring up the Tray von Martin case but refuse to acknowledge any potential liability in this post. If this woman is in fact on the Board, announcing that she is on the Board as she invades the property, and insinuates that she is there for some "HOA" concern, then I wouldn't exclude the potential for liability. It is only too bad that the incident wasn't recorded on camera. In the Martin case, it wasn't even a Board member but the shooters "neighborhood watch" was Board sanctioned. If I was this tenant, I would definitely also send a certified letter to the property management. My opinion is that if the current Board and HOA refuses to rein in a rogue Board member and that Board member continues to do something illegal (while acting as a Board member) then the tenant and owner could potentially take legal action against the HOA. I am basing my opinion on the opinion of a HOA attorney when our community had a "situation" with a rogue Board member.
PamM6 (Michigan)
Posts: 41
Posted:
I guess I don't get the comments from those who are skeptical of what the OP is saying. She's asked a simple question and that deserves an answer without speculation. Whether her story is true or not, it's not for posters to sort out. Nor is it anyone's business whether it's an HOA issue. Police should have a report, the landlord should be notified as well as the Property Manager. Then it's her decision to press charges (or not) and/or to pursue legal action (or not). The biggest fault I find with this website is all the speculation and all the "right" and "I know bc I was an" answers that are freely given.
BanksS
Posts: 403
Posted:
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Posted By PamM6 on 07/22/2015 5:03 PM
I guess I don't get the comments from those who are skeptical of what the OP is saying. She's asked a simple question and that deserves an answer without speculation. Whether her story is true or not, it's not for posters to sort out. Nor is it anyone's business whether it's an HOA issue. Police should have a report, the landlord should be notified as well as the Property Manager. Then it's her decision to press charges (or not) and/or to pursue legal action (or not). The biggest fault I find with this website is all the speculation and all the "right" and "I know bc I was an" answers that are freely given.

Pam,

Some people just post here for the shock value or to stir up controversy. It's certainly possible that the posters story is true and if it is I owe her an apology. But she's a disabled renter giving music lessons and the supposed board member/intruder ranted and raved about pine straw in a flower bed that mysteriously showed up after the confrontation and now she has to live like a hermit in HOA land. That is why I'm skeptical of the story.

GwenM2 (Georgia)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Thanks for the educated opinions and advice, everyone. I truly appreciate your thoughts on the matter. Skeptics, you don't deserve the time it would take for a response - I am living this nightmare.

Officer Hood of the city's Police Department just left and I have a case number, and can pick up the report in 3 to 4 days. The perpetrator's name sounded familiar to him. However, he could not immediately arrest her because it has been a week. Mia culpa! I was slow to act, as I had music students every hour the day of the incident until late.

The next morning, I wrote an Incident Report, hand carrying it to the property management company without an appointment, figuring that is where I should start as they are the owner's agent. Owner is a real estate investor 2500 miles away, probably never stepped foot on the property. The following day the management company's customer service rep showed up at the property, took photos, determined nothing was questionable about the perfectly manicured landscaping, but promising to speak to her broker, who would raise hell. I called yesterday, nothing has been done, empty promises. Since I am new in the neighborhood, not knowing anyone, not wanting to rock any boats, not wanting to start out as a "troublemaker", and not wanting to draw attention to some recent amputations marking me as a vulnerable person, I was slower in taking action. Lesson learned.

When I get the police report, I am considering sending a copy 'return receipt' to the perpetrator, just to let her know that I am taking action, and to the HOA President, letting him know of his renegade Board member, who made clear to me she WAS acting on behalf of the Board with full authority to do so. A third copy will go to the management company for their file. They should know I am doing their dirty work, as much as it pains me.

Thanks again, everyone!
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By PamM6 on 07/22/2015 5:03 PM
She's asked a simple question and that deserves an answer without speculation. Whether her story is true or not, it's not for posters to sort out.

Hi everyone! A UFO landed in my backyard and knocked over my fence. Can the HOA make me fix it?

Don't speculate on whether my story is true, that's not for you to sort out. I deserve an answer.

Please.
DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By GwenM2 on 07/22/2015 6:14 PM
I was slow to act, as I had music students every hour the day of the incident until late.

You might want to be careful about telling the HOA you have music students unless you are sure the association has no rules against running a business from the home.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Gwen,

As others have said, yes you should file a police report on the individual.
As others have said, you should have actually dialed 911 the moment the individual entered your home without being invited in.

If you file a police report now, have your witnesses with you if possible so they can also make a statement.

Anything after that which you may or may not want to do as a civil action (order of protection, etc.) is something you may want to discuss with a local attorney.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By GenoS on 07/22/2015 6:15 PM
Posted By PamM6 on 07/22/2015 5:03 PM
She's asked a simple question and that deserves an answer without speculation. Whether her story is true or not, it's not for posters to sort out.

Hi everyone! A UFO landed in my backyard and knocked over my fence. Can the HOA make me fix it?

Don't speculate on whether my story is true, that's not for you to sort out. I deserve an answer.

Please.

Geno,

Yes, the Association can make you fix it.
Failure to do so may result in monetary penalties.

You may or may not be able to recoup the funds from the pilot of the unidentified flying object (would it be unidentified if it landed?). However, that would be an issue between you and the pilot - not the Association.


AllisonD (Florida)
Posts: 449
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By GwenM2 on 07/22/2015 6:14 PM
Thanks for the educated opinions and advice, everyone. I truly appreciate your thoughts on the matter. Skeptics, you don't deserve the time it would take for a response - I am living this nightmare.

Officer Hood of the city's Police Department just left and I have a case number, and can pick up the report in 3 to 4 days. The perpetrator's name sounded familiar to him. However, he could not immediately arrest her because it has been a week. Mia culpa! I was slow to act, as I had music students every hour the day of the incident until late.

The next morning, I wrote an Incident Report, hand carrying it to the property management company without an appointment, figuring that is where I should start as they are the owner's agent. Owner is a real estate investor 2500 miles away, probably never stepped foot on the property. The following day the management company's customer service rep showed up at the property, took photos, determined nothing was questionable about the perfectly manicured landscaping, but promising to speak to her broker, who would raise hell. I called yesterday, nothing has been done, empty promises. Since I am new in the neighborhood, not knowing anyone, not wanting to rock any boats, not wanting to start out as a "troublemaker", and not wanting to draw attention to some recent amputations marking me as a vulnerable person, I was slower in taking action. Lesson learned.

When I get the police report, I am considering sending a copy 'return receipt' to the perpetrator, just to let her know that I am taking action, and to the HOA President, letting him know of his renegade Board member, who made clear to me she WAS acting on behalf of the Board with full authority to do so. A third copy will go to the management company for their file. They should know I am doing their dirty work, as much as it pains me.

Thanks again, everyone!

It would be great if the police could issue some sort of a 'no trespass' order on this person, preventing her from ever entering your property again or get arrested if she does.
PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
After about 15 seconds, the front door burst open and this angry {person} that I had never seen rushed 20 feet into my house, through the entry way and making a right turn into the dining room.


BANG - BANG

problem resolved

BobD4 (up north)
Posts: 1,002
Posted:
GwenM2 (Georgia) Could the intruder be some sort of demon ? If so could this require a religious or spiritual intervention ? Or have you considered that the 'intruder' could merely have been the HOA President himself in good faith, showing of his gender-crossing gear to make you feel welcome ? Was it merely a botched visit from the Welcome Wagon lady as here ?
JonD1
Posts: 2,350
Posted:
I too find some of the explanations in this matter odd to say the least. Clearly this OP has a chip on their shoulder. And although we had a raging intruder who caused such fear we were able to give music lessons into the evening.

Someone barges into your home and demands you explain what you are doing in your home and you respond to them? Someone barges into your home who you don't know, acting like a crazy fool demands your phone number and you give it to them? Then you request they leave give music lessons into the night and report this to the property manager.

Color me skeptical.

As far as the suggestion responses should be made simply on the facts as they are provided. Well that's one way of doing things. Not mine.
Many posters here twist the truth to suit their agendas and desired outcomes. Their perception is many times void of any other possibilities other than their viewpoint. I like to have a full and accurate understanding of the actual situation before I take a position or offer suggestions.

As judge Judy says " if the story does not make sense it' probably not true". Parts of this situation don't represent what a normal run of the mill human being would do or how they would respond.

I for one would like to read the complaint filed with the police including the witness statements from those present in the house. My guess much different from the version we have been provided here.

The police should have been called there and then. The music lessons rescheduled. And this supposed board member should have been handled by the police. Hard to understand why someone would handle it differently and then file a complaint with the PM.

You call the police or handle it yourself and then call the police. If someone runs into my home they would get something other than my phone number.
Including a trip to the E R.

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Why do you need to provide a copy to anyone except yourself or your landlord? You as the renter have no responsibility to the board. You have no voting rights. If the landlord has an issue, it is up to them to bring the paperwork NOT you. Otherwise, it sounds like your "poking the bear".

I also believe that some of the version of events are a little "one sided" and up to personal perception. However, not being there can't say exactly what happened. The same for the police on why there was no arrest. They don't have grounds to press charges yet. No one was hurt and if the door was open, it's not breaking and entering. Just an uninvited guest situation.

I would also warn to be carful of having the "music lessons" in your rented home. Most HOA's do not allow such activities. Homes can NOT be used for businesses except for home/internet type. You can't put a sign out with "Dentist" and use it as a Dentist office. The music school could be the very reason some neighbors may find issue. Plus do not know what type of students you teach. The person who was "scared" could have smarted off to this neighbor not expecting them to come after them. I'd be scared if I told someone to shove it and they went off. So to assume this person wasn't provoked is also an assumption...

Let's not escalate to more than it is. Just do your best to get along and keep communicating to your PM/landlord. They are to deal with the situation. NOT YOU.

Former HOA President
PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
Including a trip to the E R


? could not find your glasses in time ?

PamM6 (Michigan)
Posts: 41
Posted:
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RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 07/23/2015 8:03 AM
Why do you need to provide a copy to anyone except yourself or your landlord? You as the renter have no responsibility to the board. You have no voting rights. If the landlord has an issue, it is up to them to bring the paperwork NOT you. Otherwise, it sounds like your "poking the bear".

I also believe that some of the version of events are a little "one sided" and up to personal perception. However, not being there can't say exactly what happened. The same for the police on why there was no arrest. They don't have grounds to press charges yet. No one was hurt and if the door was open, it's not breaking and entering. Just an uninvited guest situation.

I would also warn to be carful of having the "music lessons" in your rented home. Most HOA's do not allow such activities. Homes can NOT be used for businesses except for home/internet type. You can't put a sign out with "Dentist" and use it as a Dentist office. The music school could be the very reason some neighbors may find issue. Plus do not know what type of students you teach. The person who was "scared" could have smarted off to this neighbor not expecting them to come after them. I'd be scared if I told someone to shove it and they went off. So to assume this person wasn't provoked is also an assumption...

Let's not escalate to more than it is. Just do your best to get along and keep communicating to your PM/landlord. They are to deal with the situation. NOT YOU.

But don't you continue to say, the PM works for the Board.

As far as being "one-sided", isn't that what ALL of our discussion are? Since I have been here, I haven't NEVER heard the other side of the story. It seems to be "far-fetched" if we have never encountered such a situation.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
In this case the PM is working for the owner. They are the ones managing the property for the absentee landlord miles away. It is NOT the HOA's PM.

Former HOA President
BobD4 (up north)
Posts: 1,002
Posted:
I apologize to GwenM2(Georgia)if my frivolous reply above was unfair or suggested unfairly that the 'factuals' may have been embellished in her eloquent question/comments.

The reality is that after some sort of trauma or disabling events, many residents may become extra vulnerable to what they subjectively consider to be coercion - deliberate or otherwise.

Managers need to keep that in mind, whether or not a community is legislated to deliver some sort of assistance or personal support.
JM10 (California)
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I think this is both a HOA matter and a police matter. Gwen reported the incident to the property management company. Although we cannot say whether or not the company contacted the board about it, it is a matter of the board's due diligence to ask about incidents and communicate with the management company and the management company to report such matters to the board.

Once Gwen reported it, it became a HOA matter. There is person going around representing herself as the president of the board. If the person is the president of the board and is doing things without the board support, the board should know this in order to prevent legal liability and must take action. If this person is actually a board director, then this also makes it a board matter. You have a board member impersonating and misrepresenting themselves as the president and attempting to enforce or intimidate others based on that misrepresentation. If someone should act upon the belief the board member is the president, then this may lead to trouble for the board. The board needs to take action and needs to inform Gwen's landlord and Gwen about that action.

At this point, Gwen doesn't actually know if the board member was acting upon something that the board discussed.

Worse, Gwen is a member of a protected minority (disabled). If Gwen can show that she is being singled out or if this particular board director has a prejudice against people in wheelchairs and the board does nothing to control it after this incident was reported or if the board actually condoned this incident, the board and subsequently the HOA can be found financially liable should a lawsuit be filed.

The renter should inform her landlord of the incident and the owner should take it up with the board and make sure it was repoted. The board itself should be proactive and communicating regularly with the property management company. However, if the management company contact on the board is the offending member or an ally of the offending member, that might be a problem (i.e. conflict of interest). If the board condoned the action, then this might be a problem.

If illegal actions, sanctioned or otherwise, by a board member prevent the member from renting and results in a loss of income, the HOA could be found liable since once the incident was reported to the management company, the board and the HOA had the option to take action. So if the board member is not warned or sanctioned that could make the board liable and if the members become aware but still support this person as an elected representative, the HOA might be found liable.

Because this person invaded Gwen's unit and because she has witnesses, Gwen should report it to the police. This is a separate issue. And she should also ask her friends to be her witnesses. From there, every suspicious incident should be recorded and reported. This is a home invasion. Should Gwen decide to take the director or the HOA to court this will be important. Should Gwen decide she is forced to break her lease, she can use these incidents reports to show cause and her landlord can use them to show cause for a case against the HOA.

I am not a lawyer, but this is how this situation appears to me.

PitA
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Posted By PamM6 on 07/23/2015 9:21 AM
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TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By PitA on 07/25/2015 6:39 AM
Posted By PamM6 on 07/23/2015 9:21 AM
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I believe Pam indended to post an emoticon

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PitA
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confused it with P

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