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TheresaW4 (Wisconsin)
Posts: 2
Posted:
I am on the BOD of our condo and we are reviewing the Rules and Regulations for clarification. One of our rules says, "dogs cannot be left unattended outside". I read this to mean that they cannot be tied up or tethered outside. However, another Board member who ties her dog up outside all the time disagrees. We had issues over the winter with 3 separate owners leaving their leashes outside under the snow, and they broke the snow removal contractor's snow blowers. One occasion happened to be a Board member (not the same one referenced earlier), who did pay for the damage herself. The current Board member who ties up her dog has placed a metal loop into the ground in a vacant field next to her unit that the developer still owns. The developer's landscaper ran over with a lawn mower earlier this summer. When I explained my position that leaving a dog unattended outside would include being tied up or tethered, the other Board member said I was wrong because she can see her dog from her unit and keeps a constant eye on it. Am I wrong here? What do other boards do? I have to admit I don't own a dog, and frankly I am fed up with all the dog issues/complaints we get about owners not having their dogs on a leash, excessive barking, owners not picking up after them, etc.. We just took over from the developer less than a year ago and we're trying to get a handle on all the violations, so I could be overreacting. Please help!
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
I say unattended means a person must be with them.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Welcome to the Forum, Theresa.

Our HOA is two condo elevator towers so we have a fair number of rules about pets that've been in our covenants or Rules since the Project opened in 2001. I'd say about 25% of our units have one or 2 dogs.

Our covenants (CC&Rs), and I think most, give residents the right to the peaceful enjoyment of their homes. We have a "nuisance clause" too, which basically states loud noises of any kind and at any time, especially after 10pm, is forbidden.

Our rules elaborate on these nuisances regarding pets. Dogs may not bark incessantly; owners must pick up after their pets; dogs and cats must always have access to the condo from the balconies; dogs must always be carried or leashed in our common areas.

Dog owners who break some of the these rules are immediately called to a hearing and fined. Others, dogs incessant barking, for instance, will receive a "courtesy" (warning ) letter first.

In all cases the misconduct must be corroborated by a security officer, manager or board member so that we don't have she said, her said issues. I think that our quick enforcement is what keeps these violations to a minimum. I'd say we only send out about 5 courtesy letters a year of 211 units, and I only remember one hearing on problem dogs (2 barking incessantly inside their unit and bothering neighbors.)

So you need to, imo, tighten the language of your rules. And enforce them

Maybe others an help you with the picking up after dogs problem which can occur in any HOA, but doesn't in ours because dogs aren't permitted in planters and we have no turf. Out on the public sidewalks that surround us are lots doggy bag stations and we just never see droppings anywhere in our neighborhood.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Leaving leashes outside is failure to properly store personal items when not in use. Likely a rule violation. A separate issue.

Unattended, in my opinion, means that someone has to be with them (as Kerry pointed out). That doesn't mean that the individual may keep an eye on the animal from inside their unit. It means that they must be outside with the animal.

The argument should have been that it's fine to have the animal tethered if you were outside with the animal (perhaps while doing yard work).

Our rules for pets are clear about tethering:

B. Pets shall not be permitted upon the Common Areas unless they are carried, leashed or under voice control by the owner.

C. No pet may be leashed to any stationary object on the common areas

Perhaps a rule change is needed for your Association.

As for barking, etc.: We consider most of this as a neighbor vs. neighbor issue and not an Association issue.

As for failure to pick up after the animal: We can only enforce the issue if we have proof. This requires someone to step forward and either provide the proof or testify that they saw the issue. We also have a couple of trash cans around the area that people can use when they do pick up.

Other options are to provide the bags as a hope to encourage or to hire a service to pick up where others won't. We do not do either of these things.

SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
You might want to check with your local Animal Control - there may be city ordinances that also say the dog can't be left unattended. If so, you might be able to call them and make a complaint. Especially when it snows - if this happens in extremely cold weather, it could be seen as animal cruelty and then the owner risks criminal prosecution.

And if the dog is causing damages to the common area by being tied up (e.g. damage to the trees and of course, dog poo), make the owner pay. Sometimes the only way people straighten up and fly right is if they get smacked in the wallet (sometimes over and over until they get the point)

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
BobD4 (up north)
Posts: 1,002
Posted:
TheresaW4 (Wisconsin) : " I am on the BOD of our condo and we are reviewing the Rules and Regulations for clarification. . . . and I am fed up with all the dog issues/complaints etc.. We just took over from the developer less than a year ago and we're trying to get a handle on all the violations, so I could be overreacting. Please help !"

Governance documents should be perodically reviewed with input from at least adequate legal or paralegal skillsets elected or hired.

Most volunteers do not have the right transferable skillsets to (re-)draft governance documents, no matter what they think or where they allegedly got them . You will have to hire and listen to qualified input.

You should listen not to what the loudest beefers are saying at any one time, but more importantly to what is the scope as limited by Wisconsin property & civil rights law and by the existing Declaration & by-laws. Some may require lawful change.

The more restrictions you impose, the heavier the resultant obligations and challenges to use reasonable efforts to try to get compliance. Prohibitions without grandfathering existing targets, will get you lots of challenges.

Worse than chain damage to landscape equipment (truly dangerous) may be unlawfully restricting what non-disturbing owners can do within lawfully their own non common element space especially lot-line type condos.

Some of the stuff your journey will have to live with until the community matures. It will not mature quietly without skilsets, and even then the process may be never-ending.
TheresaW4 (Wisconsin)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Thank you for all the constructive replies. I think I will check with our Village to see if there is a local ordinance governing the tethering of dogs. That's a good place to start. Meanwhile, we just sent out our first violation fine to an owner who's tenant has 3 dogs (our Rules limit pets to 2 dogs), and the tenants haven't been picking up after the dogs either. We had previously sent a warning. We are a small community (41 units), so I suspect word will travel quickly and hopefully will send a message to others violating the rules.
ND (PA)
Posts: 792
Posted:
In regard to the "dogs cannot be left unattended outside" rule . . .

Unfortunately the word "unattended" has several common definitions. Depending on which one you go with, one could defend either side of your argument . . . that someone must be physically present with the dog, or that physical presence isn't necessary but watching the dog from inside the house is acceptable.

Perhaps a lawyer would have the accepted legal definition of the word though. Either way, if a specific result is desired from the rule (that owners must be physically present with the dog), then the rule should probably be changed.

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