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NateK (California)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Hi, this is my first post. I'm a new board member for the first time ever and here's a situation our HOA is up against that has me a bit concerned.

Our 3 member board has recently sent a letter to a homeowner who is running a home based business (some kind of consulting business) asking them to cease operations. Our CC&Rs state that home businesses are not allowed provided they do not have customers visiting, noise, visibility from the street, etc.

The other 2 board members overruled me and are willing to take the homeowner to court if necessary. In particular one of the others seems to be eager to fight this out. I argued that we should let it go because the homeowner stated no customers are coming and they are not noisy nor are they advertising or posting signage etc. They are strictly using a home office and I see no evidence to the contrary. We've had no complaints from anyone else. I told the other members that we may not have a good case if we go down this path because of the language of our CC&Rs. Plus the expenses we would incur should we not prevail would be a waste of money. The others don't see it that way. In fact in their letter to the homeowner they purposely took out the language regarding the exceptions in the section where they quoted the rules. So far the homeowner has not responded but no matter what they seem determined to double down and dig in for a fight if necessary whether it be fines or court or whatever.

Am I off base here? Do we really stand a chance of winning a potential legal fight over this issue?

Nate
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
Many docs were written before the concept of an internet-based-business became widespread. The concerns were primarily about traffic, parking, and security issues from retail customers and delivery vehicles.

But today, there are many home businesses that have low or no impact on the community. And many zoning authorities have done a great job of distinguishing what a low impact business is and what is allowed in a purely residential community.

So my first recommendation would be for you to check with your local zoning authority. Then piggy-back on what they have done.

It's much easier to go to your fellow board members with something that's well spelled out already.


Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Welcome to the forum, Nate.

You wrote: "Our CC&Rs state that home businesses are not allowed provided they do not have customers visiting, noise, visibility from the street, etc." I think that the "not" was a typo, yes?

Our CC&Rs (high rise condos) also permit exactly what yours do and even add some kind handicrafts. On what grounds do the other two directors believe the owner is violation your CC&Rs? What language do they use in their letter to him?

If this owner does not comply, your board will have to go through a hearing process per CA law and your own documents. Do they really want to do that? And doesn't your HOA have more important matters to deal with (IMO) than harassing an owner?

NpS makes sense, see what your zoning laws allow and write a well-reason brief agenda item on the topic as it relates to this owner.

I think you should be concerned especially if this goes too far and the owner sues your HOA. So in the meantime, make sure your votes are recorded in the minutes to show you do knot believe this owner is in violation of your governing documents.
PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
A home office is NOT equivalent to a home based business.

Good luck with the require proof of damages.
PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
oops: require should be required
BobD4 (up north)
Posts: 1,002
Posted:
NatkeK (Cal) : " . . Do we really stand a chance of winning a potential legal fight over this issue ?"

Is your Board proceeding without credible evidence of an investigation and material interference with other owners' property & civil rights, but using member funds to threaten & litigate its brains out ?

Then it should be warmly commended for injecting your money into the American legal system.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
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Posted By NateK on 07/10/2015 12:07 AM
Our 3 member board has recently sent a letter to a homeowner who is running a home based business (some kind of consulting business) asking them to cease operations. Our CC&Rs state that home businesses are not allowed provided they do not have customers visiting, noise, visibility from the street, etc.

In fact in their letter to the homeowner they purposely took out the language regarding the exceptions in the section where they quoted the rules. So far the homeowner has not responded but no matter what they seem determined to double down and dig in for a fight if necessary whether it be fines or court or whatever.


Nate,

Your association has zero chance of winning a legal fight over this issue. Once it becomes known to the court that the board deliberately omitted those provisions in the CC&R's that would permit the business, the court could easily conclude that this was a personal vendetta and hold the directors personally liable for all costs. That means if you remain silent your kids' college fund may end up in some lawyer's pocket. (If your association has D&O insurance, that will provide you with a defense counsel but it will not indemnify against deliberate acts.)

You need to distance yourself from your fellow board members. Start by sending your own letter stating the full text of the CC&R's and indicating that you did not approve of the letter sent by the other two board members. Sign it as Nate K, Member, Board of Directors. Do whatever you can to have your letter put into the official records but, above all else, keep a copy for yourself. This is not going to win you the respect and admiration of your fellow board members. Screw them - they are willing to throw themselves under the bus and drag you along with them. They are not your friends. You owe them no loyalty.

BTW, a number of years ago I was being harassed by a jerk who lived in another state. He did some digging on me and my wife. Then he filed an anonymous complaint with the city zoning that we were running two businesses from our home. I had a consulting corporation and our home was listed as the business office as well as the place to find the statutory agent. I had a business phone listed at our address. My wife had a personal catering business, also with business phone listing. The city investigated and determined that we had violated no ordinances. The key test is whether there is any significant business activity, such as signs, an unusually high volume of deliveries, or customers.

RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
Amen to Larry.

If the other party came back and counter sued, and because the Board used "alternative" CCR language, the Association would lose in a court of law and the insurance company WOULD NOT pay based on the Business Judgement Rule. Do exactly what Larry said, do not pass GO and you don't collect $200, but you will save yourself some aggravation and grief. This is a vendetta you want no part of.
BobD4 (up north)
Posts: 1,002
Posted:
If you have concerns as a Director about some material Board decision - or even about some voodoo stuck falsely into Board or draft AGM Minutes - insist that your dissent be recorded within the Board Minutes.

As Larry B13, noted noses may get out of joint. They may think you are Satan, but maybe you need to get out.

The Aussies got it straight several years ago in the ( non-HOA ) Hardie judgment when courts ruled that a Corporation's Board of Directors would be held to a materially misleading prospectus that induced lots of outsider investors to make a buy/sell decision that was catastrophic. Insiders avoided the carnage of course. Individual directors tried to declare were not there or had voted unrecorded dissents. Bogus Board Minutes were hurled around . . . .

If your insistence on recorded dissent is ignored, maybe time to hit the road.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
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Posted By BobD4 on 07/10/2015 10:16 AM
If you have concerns as a Director about some material Board decision - or even about some voodoo stuck falsely into Board or draft AGM Minutes - insist that your dissent be recorded within the Board Minutes.

If your insistence on recorded dissent is ignored, maybe time to hit the road.


Resignation is always a bad idea. It leaves the bad guys in total control and allows them to appoint one of their cronies to fill out the good guy's term of office. Nothing good comes from resigning under these circumstances.

If the other two members will not allow your dissent to be recorded in the minutes then send a letter by certified mail to the association in care of the statutory agent. The letter then becomes a record of the association whether they wish it to be or not. Mail it certified but without a return receipt. Post office records will show it delivered and the other directors cannot play the game that, "We did not get it because there was no one who would sign for it."

BobD4 (up north)
Posts: 1,002
Posted:
Larry & Richard hit it on the button. Who ever feels like fighting over old Minutes ?

Hardie showed that the Minutes can get voodoo-doctored anytime especially fighting claims, fines and jailtime. Rarely do individual Directors really have enough at stake criminally nor civilly for Minutes to eventually hit forensic reconstruction. Recorded dissent under your own control/confirmed by e-mails too, whatever, is darn good idea.
PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
Mail it certified but without a return receipt. Post office records will show it delivered and the other directors cannot play the game that, "We did not get it because there was no one who would sign for it."


EXCELLENT

Never occurred to me.

BobD4 (up north)
Posts: 1,002
Posted:
Serving unwilling or absent recipients : actually using multiple service methods, all displayed concurrently onto the original document & duplicates beside addressee eg "copy served by US postal electronic tracking # _____ ; personal service on ____ , by text /email on _____ etc . . .
BarbaraM21 (California)
Posts: 39
Posted:
I don't mean to Hijack your post, however, I need help with kind of the same situation.

Our HOA states no commercial businesses! We have a big-time offender. She has opened a Bed and Breakfast out of her home and, when she rents the home out, she lives in her garage which she converted, without permits, without permission from our ARC Committee, to a granny unit!

She is breaking not only our rules but the County's zoning regulations! We are zoned, RI, Single family dwelling only! She is with Airbnb, has a very nice website and even advertised our pool and marina for their use. The HOA has sent letters, only to be ignored, the county has sent letters, only to be ignored. Fines, forget it, they are ignored. We were able to take her pool and marina key away! This has been a fight for one year now.

We, on the Board do not know how to collect the fines! I suggested small claims court, but the rest of the Board said, then what? How do we collect?

Anyone have any ideas?
PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
record a lien against the property

get a court order to 'cease and desist'

hire an attorney

imbibe some testosterone

DIRECT, since y'all are directors

simple

but actual work
BarbaraM21 (California)
Posts: 39
Posted:
Thanks, Pita, I'm for it, but brand new on the board. I suggested the lien also, but they say "what then?" You have to wait till she sells? I said, get an attorney, we have the money. They said, this will cost too much. However, I say if we prevail, and we will, she will have to pay our attorney too. They now said they were going to hire a bill collector. OMG, what's wrong with small claims court? I read where once you get a judgement the court can even put a hold on any bank account! Don't know if that's true, but that's what the article said.

I do like "imbiding testosterone!"
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Barbara

If she is breaking local/county laws then get them after her first before getting the BOD involved.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
John

You CANNOT lien for fines in California.

Use Small Claims and get a judgement. I am looking into what actions an association can take against Airbnb when it violates every HOA's CCRs.
AllisonD (Florida)
Posts: 449
Posted:
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Posted By BarbaraM21 on 07/10/2015 5:33 PM
Thanks, Pita, I'm for it, but brand new on the board. I suggested the lien also, but they say "what then?" You have to wait till she sells? I said, get an attorney, we have the money. They said, this will cost too much. However, I say if we prevail, and we will, she will have to pay our attorney too. They now said they were going to hire a bill collector. OMG, what's wrong with small claims court? I read where once you get a judgement the court can even put a hold on any bank account! Don't know if that's true, but that's what the article said.

I do like "imbiding testosterone!"

My documents say what order money is applied to, so when the violator/homeowner sends in the quarterly dues, first fines are paid per our docs. This means the person is short on dues payment and that becomes a more serious and enforceable issue. Do your documents say anything similar?
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
In California, monies are always applied the assessments FIRST.
NateK (California)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Wow I want to thank everyone I didn't expect to see so many replies so soon.

Sorry if I had a typo in my initial post. Our CC&Rs state no businesses but home business is not precluded as long as certain conditions are met. Our community is only a few years old so we definitely do not have an archaic rule in place. It definitely seems to allow for a quiet home based business. I know of a few people in the community who either have businesses or work from home.

@ KerryL1 - I will look into the zoning issue though I believe our city readily issues home occupation permits and defers to an HOA's CC&Rs if there is any dispute. Based on the wording of our CC&Rs I bet they would not find a violation.

@ BobD4 - Thank you other than us knowing about the business existing I don't believe we can truly show any damages and no evidence has been brought before the board.

@ LarryB13 - That is sound advice. I will attempt to write a letter distancing myself from this particular action.

@ RichardP13 - For some reason when the others on the board wrote the letter they only included the first half of the rule. I don't know why but when I brought up the rest of the language and why we weren't including it one of the others basically reacted in a way to say no we're not going to be doing that. After reading the other replies here I am worried that this homeowner's lawyer would have a field day with us in court, should it come to that.

@ BarbaraM21 - Dont worry about hijacking the thread its no problem. Applying your situation to my own community I would certainly see that as a violation. Our CC&Rs say no customers, no advertising etc. I would have no problem with our letters if that was our homeowner in question.

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