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KimR4 (Florida)
Posts: 33
Posted:
It looks like our condo association will be joining a master association. The master association will be made up of our condo association plus two site condo (homes) associations. There will be 5 seats on the board. We will have 1 seat, the other associations will have two seats each. One of the site condo associations is still under developer control. I expect one of their director seats will be their developer.

We have had a rather contentious start to this 3 association relationship. In fact, the lawyers are still hashing out the final details. My question is this: we have asked our property manager to attend MA BOD meetings with our representative - is that unusual? Common? Our PM has agreed to this. The 3 associations used to have the same management company but, 4 years ago, we hired our current PM and are happy with their service. Our former PM essentially worked for the developers and our condo association ended up paying for many bills for a few years that we were not responsible for. The dollar amount that we were over-charged is in the 40k range.

None of our condo BOD has ever been on a master association BOD. We would feel better if our PM accompanied our designated director to the meetings. Again, my question is whether it is ok/acceptable for our PM to attend the MA BOD meetings?

Thank you in advance for your replies.

Kim
AllisonD (Florida)
Posts: 449
Posted:
I will tell you how my situation works, I do not know if any of it will apply to your situation. My development is made of 5 separate sub-associations (each has from 70 to 125 single family homes, and one association is still being built so the builder is still in control). Each sub-association has its own documents and operate on their own with boards for each sub. The master consists of one member from each sub. The master is in charge of a tiny amount of common property, most of the property belongs to and is managed by each sub. The master has nothing to do with each sub other than negotiating the bulk cable contract and managing the small amount of common property.

The master has decided to have full property management services, and I cannot for the life of me understand why since there is so little to do. Each sub pays for dues and cable tv so I could maybe see why there should be bookkeeping services but its a waste of money for full management. I am on the master and so are 3 old men who would wear robes, crowns and carry staffs if they could get away with it, and they vote in a block together all the time. They love to hear themselves talk and are rude and inconsiderate, and they have no idea what 'fiduciary relationship' means. Rant, sorry. Anyway, no other property management companies attend the master meetings, in fact, my property manager does not attend my sub meetings because they only do bookkeeping for us, otherwise we are self-managed.

The master association should have its own documents that says what its in charge of in terms of common property, amenities and contracts. I like to think of it like the master is the federal government and the subs are the state government. Like real life, too much government costs money and sometimes creates problems. Some masters rules allow for different numbers of representatives of the subs, maybe based on population, although I don't necessarily agree with that arrangement. I also do not like the electoral process, I will not rant about that. The meetings should be run just like your sub meetings but you may have significantly fewer meetings depending on what the master is in charge of. If you have subs that are quite different demographically and with different amenities, you may run into problems trying to fund things that some subs wont care about.

If you are not comfortable being at a meeting without a property manager, I do not see why they could not go to the first meeting, especially if questions arise about the subs that you cannot answer.
KimR4 (Florida)
Posts: 33
Posted:
Sharing how your situation works is very helpful. Ours is similar. Each of our 3 associations has their own documents and operate with their own boards. The master will manage some common property (small parks and green areas) and shared utilities (water, electric, insurance). There are no other amenities. Cost-sharing, as it is spelled out in our documents, has not been followed since our development began 10 years ago. Having a master will correct that particular problem.

One person from one of the other associations and who will most certainly be on the master, is just as you describe - except he's not old, lol. He and the developer are the reason we want our PM at, at least, our first meeting.

Thank you very much for your reply.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
Is MI an open meeting state? If it is, you have a better chance of having your PM attend over the objections of the other members of the master association.

Have you notified the master association of your intentions yet?

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
KimR4 (Florida)
Posts: 33
Posted:
MI is an open meeting state. We do not yet have a master association. We are waiting for all parties to agree to the proposed master agreement. I don't know how long that takes. The draft with final edits is still in process.

It hadn't occurred to me to inform them but we have no problem with that.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
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Posted By KimR4 on 07/09/2015 11:35 AM
MI is an open meeting state. We do not yet have a master association. We are waiting for all parties to agree to the proposed master agreement. I don't know how long that takes. The draft with final edits is still in process.

It hadn't occurred to me to inform them but we have no problem with that.


IMO, the open meeting rules would apply to the MA even before it comes into existence. Recommend that notify all that you will have your PM there as an observer.

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
KimR4 (Florida)
Posts: 33
Posted:
Okay, we will. Thank you.

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