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AaronJ (California)
Posts: 48
Posted:
We recently had someone injure their foot due to the poor condition of the bottom of one of our pools. We have closed the pool, posted notices and secured the pool with a chain so no other resident can use the pool (unless they jump the fence).

Our complex has two more pools which are open and have no cause for concern since they were recently replastered. We have received bids to replaster the closed pool. Would the approval of these bids be considered an emergency item that the board could vote on in Executive Session via email?

Caifornia Civil Code states "Electronic transmissions may be used as a method of conducting an emergency board meeting if all directors, individually or collectively, consent in writing to that action, and if the written consent or consents are filed with the minutes of the board meeting. These written consents may be transmitted electronically"

I am undecided if this is considered an emergency since the pool is closed and there are others to use.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
I think you've answered your own question. Where's the emergency?

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
California might be different, but in Florida we were told (during our mandatory board member certification class) that it ain't an emergency unless Federal, state or local officials declare one.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
Not an emergency as you have two other pools, as you stated.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
In my opinion, no.

However, it could be an action without meeting (if such is allowed by CA statutes).
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
Action without meetings were discontinued in 2012.
FredS7 (Arizona)
Posts: 927
Posted:
> Not an emergency as you have two other pools, as you stated.

Even WITHOUT other pools it is hard to see this as an emergency. UNLESS delay is likely to result in additional damage and cost.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I agree with everyone else-- there is no emergency.

BobD4 (up north)
Posts: 1,002
Posted:
AaronJ (California) :

Have you DRAINED the pool as well as merely "closing" it ? How well did you "close it"

Successful or not, many injured kids' parents have chased owners /insurers after their unsupervised underage children illegally entered to swim in hot weather etc.

Like it or not some jurisdictions are loathe to let underaged trespassers suck up their lifetime physical injuries if they trespass ( & are injured ) on something attractive ('negligently attractive' etc ). I don't defend it.
AaronJ (California)
Posts: 48
Posted:
BobD4, I understand what you are saying. We have padlocked the pool gate and posted signs that it is closed. I believe it is an urgent issue I don't believe it's an emergency that would allow us to waive the required two day notification and have a meeting via email. Especially since the pool has been like this for two weeks already waiting to get bids. Plus, we wasted two days going back and forth in emails trying to decide if we should have the "emergency meeting" via email or post notice and have an executive session meeting.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Aaron

Why is this such a hot button issue with you?
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Aaron, go ahead and post your 2-day notice of ES if you're sure you have a quorum of the Board. You always can postpone with a similar notice.

Right, in CA, no action without a meeting unless an emergency and all directors consent to the decision in writing.
AaronJ (California)
Posts: 48
Posted:
JohnC46,

Its a hot button issue because I want to make sure we are not violating the law as a matter on convenience. A true "emergency" would be something that can't wait for the two day notice requirement. It appears to me the President is requesting to hold the meeting via email and is saying its an "emergency" because it is more convenient to the board members. We have been going back and forth via email for the past two days about whether or not its an "emergency". We could have had notices posted by now and held the meeting! I guess its a small issue and appears I'm being difficult which is not my intention.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
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Posted By AaronJ on 07/08/2015 1:46 PM
Its a hot button issue because I want to make sure we are not violating the law as a matter on convenience. A true "emergency" would be something that can't wait for the two day notice requirement. It appears to me the President is requesting to hold the meeting via email and is saying its an "emergency" because it is more convenient to the board members. We have been going back and forth via email for the past two days about whether or not its an "emergency". We could have had notices posted by now and held the meeting! I guess its a small issue and appears I'm being difficult which is not my intention.

It is surreal to read this because I'm in the middle of a situation that sounds exactly the same as yours right now, today, as we speak. Are you sure you're not located in central Florida?

We're not violating the law, as I understand it, but we are violating our own written policies and procedures. Apparently the preservation of people's social calendars needs to be added to our written definition of "emergency". Either that, or else next year I vote against re-adopting our written policy. Why vote for something that you're going to ignore anyway? It's a farce.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Aaron

It does appear to me you are being difficult which leads me to believe it a more deep seeded issue with you and the BOD/President.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
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Posted By JohnC46 on 07/08/2015 3:19 PM
Aaron

It does appear to me you are being difficult which leads me to believe it a more deep seeded issue with you and the BOD/President.

Aaron, it does not appear to me at all that you are being difficult.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I don't think so either. Look, Aaron, your bylaws might say that the president or any other two directors may call an emergency meeting, an ES, etc. Read them.

If you have another director who agrees with you & know you have a quorum who'll attend, post the notice and hold the meeting. There's no requirement that the prez attend.
AaronJ (California)
Posts: 48
Posted:
Johnc46,

You see following the law as being difficult?

The other board members have told me they agree with me but its not worth the fight.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
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Posted By AaronJ on 07/08/2015 5:54 PM
Johnc46,

You see following the law as being difficult?

The other board members have told me they agree with me but its not worth the fight.

In this simple matter, following the law is an unnecessary waste of time. It is simply a matter of how to go about what all want to do and needs to be done, the pool repair.

It sounds like your BOD would take months to decide what type toilet paper is used in the clubhouse.

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