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DjB2 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 49
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Our bylaws and CCRs say nothing about reserves. I have read in posts here that a reserve study will identify all items that you will expect to pay for from reserves, anticipated lifespans, estimated repair/replacement costs, and a funding plan for how much you should contribute each year.

Our 30-plus-year-old 32-unit Pennsylvania condominium development has never had a reserve study completed. We are concerned about future repair and replacement costs as our concrete sidewalks and patios, and our 70+ parking spaces of asphalt, are both original.

After 30 years we are starting to enter what seems to be a period of escalating repair costs, as in calendar 2013 and 2014, we spent an additional $10,000 during each of those two years on repairs, taken out of our reserve fund, which is now down to just $30,000. Our roofs were replaced with 25-year Owens Corning shingles in 2001 at a cost of $41,000. If those shingles last until 2026 (25 years), re-roofing at that time could easily cost $60,000 or more.

We have no idea how to complete a reserve study, or who or what to turn to as a resource. We have three officers on our Board, as the others previously quit, and of course no one wants to do anything, so that leaves just the President (me) to do most everything personally -- and I already have my hands quite full with just managing the place.

The owners here, myself included, have previously stated that we do not want any property management firm involved, as that would raise our costs. So any guidance, direction, suggestions, or resources that you can point us toward regarding conducting a potential reserve study; will be greatly appreciated. In advance, thank you.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
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Here's a sample reserve study for a fictional HOA. Good for seeing what kinds of information a reserve study will show you. http://www.mccafferyreserveconsulting.com/sample-reserve-study I am not affiliated with that company and have never used their services so I'm not vouching or advertising for them.

You have some work ahead of you. For instance, if your roof replacement in 11 years (2026) will cost $60,000 then you should immediately start putting away $5,455 a year for your "roof replacement reserve". Subtract however much is already in your roof reserve from the $60k number before dividing it by 11 to get a more accurate number. If the $30k you have now is earmarked as "roof reserve", then you only need $2,727 a year ($85.23 per year per unit, or $7.10 a month from each owner).

Pavement is another biggie.

Here's another sample reserve study from a different company, http://www.reservestudy.com/los-angeles-ventura-county. No affiliation.

If you get into a situation where the CCRs - essentially a contract - mandate the association to rebuild or repair something and there are no reserves for it, then the options become painful. You'll need a special assessment or else the association will have to take out a loan to cover the cost (with a strict repayment schedule). Both very, very undesirable situations in my opinion.

To me, that's the goal of a reserve study: to disclose to the owners the probability that special assessments will be required in the forseeable future. In fact, before we ever move into another HOA we will demand to see their most recent reserve study and if they won't show it to us then we'll cross them off our list and look elsewhere.
JimR24 (Texas)
Posts: 399
Posted:
The reserve study we had done back in 2012 has made all the difference in the world in terms of homeowner understanding of what will be needed in the future for replacement or restoration of our capital assets.

Seems like i remember us paying about $3200 for our professional reserve study back in 2012. I would not recommend that u try to do it yourself. IMHO, it's some of the best money we've ever spent.

My advice would be to "do it".

oljim, in texas

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Posted By DjB2 on 06/20/2015 9:18 PM
Our bylaws and CCRs say nothing about reserves. I have read in posts here that a reserve study will identify all items that you will expect to pay for from reserves, anticipated lifespans, estimated repair/replacement costs, and a funding plan for how much you should contribute each year.

Our 30-plus-year-old 32-unit Pennsylvania condominium development has never had a reserve study completed. We are concerned about future repair and replacement costs as our concrete sidewalks and patios, and our 70+ parking spaces of asphalt, are both original.

After 30 years we are starting to enter what seems to be a period of escalating repair costs, as in calendar 2013 and 2014, we spent an additional $10,000 during each of those two years on repairs, taken out of our reserve fund, which is now down to just $30,000. Our roofs were replaced with 25-year Owens Corning shingles in 2001 at a cost of $41,000. If those shingles last until 2026 (25 years), re-roofing at that time could easily cost $60,000 or more.

We have no idea how to complete a reserve study, or who or what to turn to as a resource. We have three officers on our Board, as the others previously quit, and of course no one wants to do anything, so that leaves just the President (me) to do most everything personally -- and I already have my hands quite full with just managing the place.

The owners here, myself included, have previously stated that we do not want any property management firm involved, as that would raise our costs. So any guidance, direction, suggestions, or resources that you can point us toward regarding conducting a potential reserve study; will be greatly appreciated. In advance, thank you.


Lovin' life with my honey!
and, President of HOA in Texas
CyrstalB (Maryland)
Posts: 457
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I understand why you don't want to put out money for a reserve study, and although this advice is not meant to take the place of a formal stufy, I will suggest a walk through with all or as many as you can get of the members to walk the property to identify those future issues and make a list. Then prioritize the list in manner of timely importance to begin to fund your reserve account.

An example would be the roof is first on the list, then you can bring out a roof person to evaluate it and give you an estimate of lifespan and future cost to replace it and now you have the beginning of a reserve study.

I've never seen a reserve study done by a "professional", and maybe others can educate me, but depending on the size and scope of your hoa, you may not need to pay one to figure out the same information.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
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Posted By DjB2 on 06/20/2015 9:18 PM

We have no idea how to complete a reserve study, or who or what to turn to as a resource.

See this thread on this forum:

Subject: Reserve Studies/Funds 101

Using the above link to that thread will provide you with a slew of resources that explain the process, why a study should be done, how to do one yourself if you don't want to hire someone, etc.
Some earlier links in that thread may be broken but were corrected later on in the thread.

As for finding reserve specialists, do an internet search for Reserve Study specialists [name of area you live in] or check out your local CAI chapter website resource page for some recommendations.

We are a 130 lot town home development, HOA not a condominium, and limited amenities (roads/parking area, signage, 2 entrance monuments, a bus stop gazebo, sidewalks and 2 playgrounds. Like you, our development was built in the late 70s and transferred to member control in 1980. So we are 35 years old. As the above referenced thread states, I did our first study in 2010. It was done using historical costs and consultations with various companies. It wasn't great, but it was better then what we had, which was nothing.

At the time we did the study, we had a whole $42,000 in reserves. We now have over $150,000, are on track to have enough to mill and pave our streets in 2021 and have done a lot of reserve work over the years ($99,965 worth since the study). The study showed we required a 20% increase in assessments. The membership voted for the increase because we could show them how it was going to be spent (based on the study).

One thing we did do was build in a contingency fund for the Reserves. We are currently putting $2500 a year into that line item (plus all interest earned on the account). That line item has helped a lot, as it provided an way to cover miscalculations in our study. I strongly urge you to consider a similar line item in your study. We did cap that item at $50K (if it ever reaches that amount). Currently we have $16K in that line item. It's identified to be used for reserve items budget shortfalls and extra heavy snow removals.

We just awarded a contract for our first professional study. We found 5 companies we sent RFPs to (request for proposal). 1 declined saying we were outside their area, the 4 others provided bids. 3 were local 1 was a national chain that also had a local office.

Cost of the study was $2,200. We had budgeted $3,000 for the work.

If you would like a copy of the RFP and/or other specific info, feel free to e-mail me:
[email protected]

Hope this helps,

Tim

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SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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Yep, you need a study yesterday and that's not soon enough! I wouldn't be surprised if this came up years ago but some in your community balked because of the costs - and now they may have some special assessments heading their way, even with a reserves study.

After educating yourselves on reserves using some of the resources given here, I would advise homeowners on what you're about to do and why. When the study is complete, call a special meeting where the specialist can give a presentation on the findings and his/her recommendations. When homeowners are kept in the loop, most of them will go along, although they may not be entirely thrilled. You will hear the "I'm not going to be here in (X) years, so why should I pay for improvements I'll never see" argument and that thinking is exactly why your community may be in this mess.

Since it appears you don't appear to have any reserves, you may need a special assessment just to get some initial cash to set up an account. Be sure to talk to your banker about setting it up. Generally, reserves should stay separate from the operating budget and a portion of your assessments should go towards that account. This is not money that should be invested in the stock market because the principal balance could decrease - quickly. You'll want to talk to a qualified person about finding safe investments (usually money market funds or CDs) for the money.

While you're at it, go ahead and set up a formal reserve policy that will address issues like what component is considered a reserve item, how the money should be invested or not, how often reserve studies should be done, etc. I'd also address borrowing from reserves, which usually is a terrible idea - if you must, set out a policy that dictates the circumstances when this can be done and how soon the money has to be replaced. Good luck!


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
DjB2 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 49
Posted:
Thank you everybody for all of the excellent responses, suggestions, links, and other referenced resources. As the current President of our 32 unit condominium development, which has never had any reserve study done in its 33 year history, I have sent a detailed email to all of the other Officers, seeking their feedback on having a reserve study done. I for one favor the idea, and since we have only raised our monthly dues once in the most recent of the last 10 years, I would like to increase them again, and perhaps annually - and a bona fide reserve study would go a long way to getting our 31 owners to understand why we need an increase, and to preserve good neighborly relations.
JimR24 (Texas)
Posts: 399
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Sounds like excellent thinking to me DjB2. Let us know how this goes for you - okay?

oljim, in texas

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Posted By DjB2 on 06/26/2015 7:44 PM
Thank you everybody for all of the excellent responses, suggestions, links, and other referenced resources. As the current President of our 32 unit condominium development, which has never had any reserve study done in its 33 year history, I have sent a detailed email to all of the other Officers, seeking their feedback on having a reserve study done. I for one favor the idea, and since we have only raised our monthly dues once in the most recent of the last 10 years, I would like to increase them again, and perhaps annually - and a bona fide reserve study would go a long way to getting our 31 owners to understand why we need an increase, and to preserve good neighborly relations.


Lovin' life with my honey!
and, President of HOA in Texas
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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DjB2. glad you're moving ahead on this crucially important project. Others gave you great advice--get a study done. As a condo (we are too), there may be complicated common area components that an expert would be good at evaluating for you.

Btw, Does PA law have anything to say about required reserve studies or "reviews"? Or that you need to disclose a yours reserves and their proposes to your owners?
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
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Posted By KerryL1 on 06/27/2015 1:06 PM
Btw, Does PA law have anything to say about required reserve studies or "reviews"? Or that you need to disclose a yours reserves and their proposes to your owners?

PA does not have any statutory requirement to conduct a reserve study or to fund reserves.

Prior to resale and upon seller's request, the HOA must provide the amount held in reserves and the proposed capital expenditures for the current year and for each of the next 2 years.

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
DjB2 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 49
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UPDATE 7/20/15: Thank you all for your feedback, suggestions, and links regarding this issue. I'm not an HOA professional, although I am a sales professional. I've just read and re-read our Bylaws and CCRs for years, and tried to uphold them as best and as neighborly as our BOD can. Since I inquired here about this issue, our BOD met to discuss our Reserve Fund and a related study. Although we are a 33-year-old 32 unit condominium development, we really do not have much in the way of anything unusual to maintain other than our landscaping, roofs, concrete sidewalks and patios, and our asphalt parking lots. I proposed to the BOD that we pay for a reserve study, which would go a long way toward justifying our monthly dues increase to the owners. The BOD said no to a study, but they did accept my future cost projections based on prior costs. Based on what it cost to re-roof our development about 15 years ago, I estimated that it could cost upwards of $80K to do it again in 10 years (if our roofs last that long). My simple math showed the BOD that if we increased our dues by just $25 per month, that we should be able to put approximately an extra $10K per year into our Reserve Fund. This of course does not include the future huge cost of resurfacing all of our asphalt - but one thing at a time I suppose. So the BOD did approve a $25/month increase, effective 1/1/16. All of the owners have already been notified of this increase, along with a detailed explanation as to they why and the objective - and while no one here wants our dues to increase, at least all owners have accepted this increase. So thanks again everyone for all of your help and input on this matter. I don't recall how I accidentally stumbled upon HOATalk - but I sure am glad that I did!
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
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Good job, DjB2. The best way to "sell" a dues increase for the purpose of boosting reserves is to show the alternative in stark dollars and cents down the road. Number 2 on my list is that banks and lenders like to see reserves fully funded. When they are, it bodes well for the future of a building or community, as far as upkeep and major maintenance projects go, and lenders see it as a bit of protection for their investment.
ThomasD2 (California)
Posts: 208
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Posted By CyrstalB on 06/21/2015 6:12 AM
I understand why you don't want to put out money for a reserve study, and although this advice is not meant to take the place of a formal stufy, I will suggest a walk through with all or as many as you can get of the members to walk the property to identify those future issues and make a list. Then prioritize the list in manner of timely importance to begin to fund your reserve account.

An example would be the roof is first on the list, then you can bring out a roof person to evaluate it and give you an estimate of lifespan and future cost to replace it and now you have the beginning of a reserve study.

I've never seen a reserve study done by a "professional", and maybe others can educate me, but depending on the size and scope of your hoa, you may not need to pay one to figure out the same information.

I think this is great advice. A reserve study is only useful if it is actually used. My do-nothing HOA board loves reserve studies, it provides an excellent dog and pony show that makes it appear they are behaving responsibly. But no one ever reads the study, the last one contained many obvious errors. It is never distributed, as far as I am aware I am the only one who ever requested it from the property manager. Don't pay for one of these idiotic studies, do something useful instead! Don't you already have a pretty good notion of some top financial and maintenance priorities? Talk to someone about them. My HOA board loves to claim they do reserve studies because it is required by law. Maybe, but they are also supposed to have meetings and meeting minutes, but ignore that not so insignificant requirement.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
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Posted By ThomasD2 on 08/03/2015 12:00 PM
I think this is great advice. A reserve study is only useful if it is actually used. My do-nothing HOA board loves reserve studies, it provides an excellent dog and pony show that makes it appear they are behaving responsibly. But no one ever reads the study, the last one contained many obvious errors. It is never distributed, as far as I am aware I am the only one who ever requested it from the property manager. Don't pay for one of these idiotic studies, do something useful instead! Don't you already have a pretty good notion of some top financial and maintenance priorities? Talk to someone about them. My HOA board loves to claim they do reserve studies because it is required by law. Maybe, but they are also supposed to have meetings and meeting minutes, but ignore that not so insignificant requirement.

The watchword of most directors here is ADALAP, which stands for Always Do As Little As Possible. The current and past boards here have avoided reserve studies like the plague because getting one done would surely result in more work to do. Florida doesn't mandate reserve studies for HOAs and that has got a lot to do with it. If they were required by law then I'm pretty sure our board would be doing exactly what you describe.
ThomasD2 (California)
Posts: 208
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Posted By GenoS on 08/03/2015 1:30 PM
Posted By ThomasD2 on 08/03/2015 12:00 PM
I think this is great advice. A reserve study is only useful if it is actually used. My do-nothing HOA board loves reserve studies, it provides an excellent dog and pony show that makes it appear they are behaving responsibly. But no one ever reads the study, the last one contained many obvious errors. It is never distributed, as far as I am aware I am the only one who ever requested it from the property manager. Don't pay for one of these idiotic studies, do something useful instead! Don't you already have a pretty good notion of some top financial and maintenance priorities? Talk to someone about them. My HOA board loves to claim they do reserve studies because it is required by law. Maybe, but they are also supposed to have meetings and meeting minutes, but ignore that not so insignificant requirement.

The watchword of most directors here is ADALAP, which stands for Always Do As Little As Possible. The current and past boards here have avoided reserve studies like the plague because getting one done would surely result in more work to do. Florida doesn't mandate reserve studies for HOAs and that has got a lot to do with it. If they were required by law then I'm pretty sure our board would be doing exactly what you describe.

I don't agree that getting a reserve study done would surely result in more work to do. My own board uses reserve studies as a stand in for meaningful progress. Pay someone to walk around the complex and take notes, it is just like real work! Remember, everyone was very happy talking about how fantastic the emperor looked in his new outfit, it bothered them not one bit that he was completely naked.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
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Thomas

I agree with you. Our board has the same attitude about reserve studies and the financial condition of the community. Don't care and don't bother me.
ThomasD2 (California)
Posts: 208
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Posted By RichardP13 on 08/03/2015 3:35 PM
Thomas

I agree with you. Our board has the same attitude about reserve studies and the financial condition of the community. Don't care and don't bother me.

Yes, the "full" reserve study, where they come and inspect (as opposed to just evaluate the books,) can cost hundreds of dollars. The money could be more usefully spent on meaningful maintenance.

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