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JonS7 (Virginia)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Hi,

Can you please help me parse this statement? The following e-mail was sent by a member of the board of directors who is also serving as the secretary. There was no other mention of resignation in his e-mail.

"To make it short, given all the facts that I stated above and in order, to be in harmony with myself, allow a fresh start, and protect myself from further liability by joining the current board, I hereby submit my resignation as a secretary. My resignation is based on a deep conviction. My resignation, is not a political maneuver neither a tactical move."

Did this person resign from the board of directors or just from the secretary officer position? If they just resigned from the secretary officer position, can they remain on the board of directors?

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By JonS7 on 06/19/2015 1:48 PM
Hi,

Can you please help me parse this statement? The following e-mail was sent by a member of the board of directors who is also serving as the secretary. There was no other mention of resignation in his e-mail.

"To make it short, given all the facts that I stated above and in order, to be in harmony with myself, allow a fresh start, and protect myself from further liability by joining the current board, I hereby submit my resignation as a secretary. My resignation is based on a deep conviction. My resignation, is not a political maneuver neither a tactical move."

Did this person resign from the board of directors or just from the secretary officer position? If they just resigned from the secretary officer position, can they remain on the board of directors?


I say they resigned only as Secretary and they are still a member of the BOD which I do not think is what yo want to hear. If there is confusion, they can always withdraw the letter and re-write it. An improperly worded letter cannot "force" them off the BOD. That said, ask them.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
He clearly resigned as Secretary. It is not clear what his intent is with regard to his position on the board as he says he wishes to "protect myself from further liability by joining the current board."

I have to agree with JohnC46 and ask him to clarify what his intention is.

KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I agree with JohnC & Larry. While it SOUNDS as if he wants off the board, he only resigned as secretary. The easiest as mentioned is to just ask him and if he wants off the Board, he can send another brief letter stating that. In the second letter (as he should have done in the first), he needs to write an effective date for sec'y & director, which can be "immediately."
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
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Did this person resign from the board of directors or just from the secretary officer position?


How about asking him? Maybe by voice, with a telephone.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,060
Posted:
Many people don't differentiate between Officers and Directors when serving on the Board.
However, as others have said, the letter specifically said they resigned as Secretary (an Officer position).

As Steve pointed out, it makes more sense to ask them directly if he also resigned as a Director or not.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
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Posted By JonS7 on 06/19/2015 1:48 PM
Hi,

Can you please help me parse this statement? The following e-mail was sent by a member of the board of directors who is also serving as the secretary. There was no other mention of resignation in his e-mail.

"To make it short, given all the facts that I stated above and in order, to be in harmony with myself, allow a fresh start, and protect myself from further liability by joining the current board, I hereby submit my resignation as a secretary. My resignation is based on a deep conviction. My resignation, is not a political maneuver neither a tactical move."

Did this person resign from the board of directors or just from the secretary officer position? If they just resigned from the secretary officer position, can they remain on the board of directors?

My non-lawyerly interpretation is that he resigned only from the office of secretary. We had one director recently tell people he was going to resign from the board. He sent an email that said, "... blah blah president Roberto can tell you why I am resiging as director...". But he never wrote, "I resign". In Florida an email resignation is considered written, but he never made that clear. Thus, the board's position is that he is still a director until he delivers a written resignation (which he has refused to do thus far but that's another story).

In your case, "I hereby submit my resignation as a secretary" is pretty clear (except for the extra "a" preceding "secretary" since there is probably only one Secretary). My interpretation is that he resigned as Secretary, but not as a director and is thus still on the board.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Thy guy resigning, at last in CA, still need a resignation date
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
Absolutely check your state's laws. Unlike CA, in FL a resignation is effective when delievered; it need not state an effective date.
PitA
Posts: 311
Posted:
What does your corporate attorney say?

If y'all are performing your duties as directors:

when you don't know an answer y'all should get PROFESSIONAL advice.

? Will y'all take action based upon what WE tell you ?

HOWEVER

Assuming you still have a quorum simply request clarification.

food for thought: did the above really require the world wide web ?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,060
Posted:
The applicable law for this is the Virginia Nonstock Corporation Act.

Per VA § 13.1-859:

A. A director may resign at any time by delivering written notice to the board of directors, its chairman, the president, or the secretary.

B. A resignation is effective when the notice is delivered unless the notice specifies a later effective time. . .

Per VA § 13.1-874:

A. An officer may resign at any time by delivering notice to the corporation. A resignation is effective when the notice is delivered unless the notice specifies a later effective time. If a resignation is made effective at a later time, the corporation may fill the pending vacancy before the effective time if the successor does not take office until the effective time.

If, when you clarify with the individual, you no longer have a quorum (as John eluded as a possibility), per VA § 13.1-862:

A. Unless the articles of incorporation provide otherwise, if a vacancy occurs on the board of directors, including a vacancy resulting from an increase in the number of directors:

1. The members may fill the vacancy;

2. The board of directors may fill the vacancy; or

3. If the directors remaining in office constitute fewer than a quorum of the board, they may fill the vacancy by the affirmative vote of a majority of the directors remaining in office.

PitA
Posts: 311
Posted:
Tim,

I believe the 'point in ?' is:

If a person resigns the officer 'slot' do they also (automatically) resign the director position?

VA code is not 'specific', merely states (in legalese) that there is no 'involuntary servitude' - that one may resign w/o it being 'accepted' formally.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,060
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Posted By PitA on 06/20/2015 7:57 AM

If a person resigns the officer 'slot' do they also (automatically) resign the director position?

As they are two different positions, the answer would be no, they do not also automatically resign the director position. They either need to specify or the Board needs to ask them if they intend to resign from both.

My suggestion would be to ask the question via e-mail.

PitA
Posts: 311
Posted:


Then get the PROPER resignation in writing.

food for thought: a volunteer director was elected by the other directors to be an officer - does a director need to actually fulfill any obligation they volunteered for? - or may a director 'cherry pick' their obligations?

iow: a director must be willing to serve as an officer !?

IMO: I would put the issue to the membership at large or clarify with the 'resignor' that it is assumed by the BOD that they have totally resigned from the 'board' itself
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Nice citation, Tim, which concurs with many of the above opinions. The one who wants to resign must specify both the officer and director opinions if that's what s/he wants.

The date, as Geno suggested and as Tim shows, is upon delivery to certain people or when specified in the email or letter. No "acceptance" is needed.

In VA, what's new and also interesting from Tim, is the HOA members "may" fill the vacancy or the board may fill it.

But the statute says unless otherwise in the Articles. But in many states, perhaps not VA, these kinds of topics are covered in the bylaws not the articles. I'm curious to know what Tim's bylaws or articles say on this topic and also what Jon's say.

Our bylaws also say that HOA members may fill vacancies and probably CA corps codes, which our bylaws follow closely, say the same thing.

I do think, PitA, that Jon asking us makes sense. I think that since I'v been following this forum, the confusion between officers and directors is the most common misunderstanding.
PitA
Posts: 311
Posted:
Upon which of OUR answers should Jon's BOD act?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,060
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Posted By KerryL1 on 06/20/2015 9:18 AM

But the statute says unless otherwise in the Articles. But in many states, perhaps not VA, these kinds of topics are covered in the bylaws not the articles. I'm curious to know what Tim's bylaws or articles say on this topic and also what Jon's say.


Kerry,

From our Articles of Incorporation:

Any vacancy occurring in the Board of Directors shall be filled by the affirmative vote of a majority of the
remaining Directors, though less than a quorum of the Board of Directors.

Articles of Incorporation are typically written based on existing corporate law. Therefore, a smart attorney would have some language within the Articles if the statutes defer to them.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,060
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Posted By PitA on 06/20/2015 9:52 AM
Upon which of OUR answers should Jon's BOD act?

Well, lets see:

Nobody said that, based on what was provided, the letter stated the individual resigned as a Director.

Many did mention the confusion between Officers and Directors and how they are two different jobs/positions.

A few said to check applicable statutes (which were provided).

One said to seek a legal opinion (typical legal opinions in my are are $300 to $600)

All said to ask the individual what they intended.

If I had asked the question, I would take the consensus of everyone and simply ask the individual.
PitA
Posts: 311
Posted:
then we/you actually provided the OP with some common sense

the OP should ask the 'resigner' not us
JonS7 (Virginia)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Thanks for the input guys.

The reason I'm asking is that in VA written resignations are effective immediately. The guy who sent this e-mail regretted it and decided that he wanted to stay on the board. However, the board wants him off and plans to appoint a new BoD member based on his e-mail resignation. My read of his e-mail was that he only resigned from the Secretary officer position, not from the BoD. I'm sure if we ask him he will say he only resigned as Secretary, since he wants to stay on the board. I don't believe based on his e-mail that the board can consider him to have resigned from the BoD, since he never explicitly stated that in his e-mail. I just wanted to confirm that others who aren't as close to the situation would interpret his e-mail the same way.

Thanks,
Jon
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Yep, sorry, Jon--it aears that most if not all of us think he resigned as an officer but not as a director. But based on what you just wrote, does he think he resigned from the Board (as a director)?

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