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JimR24 (Texas)
Posts: 399
Posted:
One of the things i've noticed since i've been a homeowner and board member in our condo association is how difficult the President's job appears to be.

Burn out and frustration is common - to the point where the person ends up not willing to do it anymore. We have a property management company, which i thought would take lots of the pressure off (and it has somewhat made a difference); however, i am searching for ways things could be made more manageable from a President's perspective.

Do any of you have any ideas about how to make the Association President's job manageable? What do u think?

oljim, in texas


Lovin' life with my honey!
and, President of HOA in Texas
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
What makes the job easier??? Attitude. I learned to say "It is not a thankless job but a thankFULL" job. You live and breath the job. Do not be disgruntle or treat it as a burden. Own it and be it. Not to mean you can not hang your hat up and be you. It means you have to realize that you are viewed as the President. People will criticisize what that means. So lead by example and do it your best way you know how... Or atleast fake it till you make it...:-)

Former HOA President
JimR24 (Texas)
Posts: 399
Posted:
Excellent Melissa. I like your wise words.

When u were President, did u have a vice president? And if so, did it make your job any easier?

Thanks for your response!

oljim, in texas

Quote:
Posted By MelissaP1 on 06/09/2015 9:04 AM
What makes the job easier??? Attitude. I learned to say "It is not a thankless job but a thankFULL" job. You live and breath the job. Do not be disgruntle or treat it as a burden. Own it and be it. Not to mean you can not hang your hat up and be you. It means you have to realize that you are viewed as the President. People will criticisize what that means. So lead by example and do it your best way you know how... Or atleast fake it till you make it...:-)


Lovin' life with my honey!
and, President of HOA in Texas
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Sorry I had to laugh... My reason I was President was because the ex President was a con man scumbag. Who was my Vice President for a year... NO he did NOT make my job easier. He was the one person I was trying to protect the HOA from. Always had to stay one step ahead...

However,my goal was beyond him....

Former HOA President
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
I wasn't president of my HOA, but had 8 years as treasurer (which is probably just as challenging as president!) I think spreading the work around, setting limits and keeping control of meetings is key. Consider what areas are causing the most trouble for you and go on from there - you may need a newsletter article explaining exactly what the president is expected to do.

First, I think it's helpful if ALL board members (not just the officers) have some sort of area to oversee. That doesn't mean they do all the work, but they can keep an eye on it and occasionally make suggestions. For example, one person might oversee the website and newsletter - reviewing copy to make sure it's accurate or the website to ensure it's been updated. When the work's spread out, it should result in less stress for everyone.

Next, keep your meetings under 2 hours - 1 hour to 90 minutes is best. To do that, use some sort of parliamentary procedure - Robert's Rules of Order is a good place to start, but in general, board members need to keep side conversation to a minimum, come to the meeting on time and prepared to discuss the issues. Prepare an agenda and stick to it - sometimes emergencies come up, but in general, if it's not on the agenda for the upcoming meeting, it can probably keep until the next one.

Don't be afraid of saying no - you're president, but you probably don't have the authority to make the sole decision, especially on the fly. People need to go through the proper channels - have a maintenance issue, start with the property manager. No, the board will not intervene in disputes between two owners unless the common area is involved. And yes, some issues have to be reviewed by the ENTIRE board before a decision is made, so residents will have to be patient.


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
CarolH2 (Georgia)
Posts: 33
Posted:
I also continue to be on the board is some way or another because we are trying to keep another resident off. I love doing what I do because I know the neighborhood is better for it but when you have people at your door calling you racist and yelling at you it makes me wonder why I do it. . .I know the majority of my residents are happy I do what I do but sometimes it can be hard. Depending on who is on our board at the time it can be easier, our management company is a wonderful!!!
JerryD5 (Colorado)
Posts: 218
Posted:
I have been the board president for 4 or 5 years now (I lost count on when I volunteered; I was just a regular board member). Since that time, we have had entire change of the board, especially in the last year. In the last year, we went from 118 homes to 63. During the same year, we changed management companies and 2 weeks ago we fired our landscaping company for non-performance. I am always actively trying to meet all the residents. It is a tough job; a lot tougher than I figured. In the last 18 months, I have had my personal information sent out to media organizations, been sued, slandered, accused of impropriety, called a nazi and an elitist snob.

I wish some of the other board members would take as much as an interest I do. If fact, if I didn't prompt them and remind them about issues and our meetings, they wouldn't even show up most of the time. They are almost as apathetic about the association as the other homeowners. Granted, I have a lot more time to dedicate to the association's business. They all have regular jobs, partners, and kids. The one great thing is that we do not have the drama we had 9-18 months ago for which I am extremely grateful.

We want to do a large scale mulch replenishment project this summer. Our quote from our old landscaping company was around $10K. The board decided we would save money and do it ourselves with some sweat equity from any homeowner volunteers we can recruit. So far, only a few have volunteered. Even the board members are non-comittal or will come up with an excuse on why they aren't available for the Saturday we all agreed to. I know I will be the one doing the majority of the work.

With that said, part of me wants to quit and sell my house. I want to go back to being the apathetic homeowner I used to be. But I know I can't because I love my neighborhood and enjoy my neighbors. I am with the OP. How can I make my job easier?
ND (PA)
Posts: 792
Posted:
Perhaps along the same lines as what's already been said . . .
- Distribute workload and responsibility among all Board Members/Officers. Some can do more than others (which should be understood among the Board), but ones who cannot and will not do anything are not needed (and are possibly preventing another willing and able homeowner from joining the Board and helping out).
- Along with the above, other Board Members/Officers actively participating, stepping in where they can to assist, and seeking opportunities to share workload.
- Other Board Members/Officers actually fulfilling the duties that are required of them . . . VP ready, willing, and able to fill in for President; Treasurer being aware/prepared with all money-related things; Secretary coordinating meetings, taking minutes, keeping official files; Members at Large taking active roles too.
- For the President him/herself . . . not trying to bite off more than you can chew. If you aspire to have the Board actively do a lot of things, then you need to determine if you have a Board that is willing to help out. If you don't, either expect to do much of the work yourself or lower your expectations on what is actually achievable.
CarolH2 (Georgia)
Posts: 33
Posted:
This is so exactly how I feel. . .
JimR24 (Texas)
Posts: 399
Posted:
Excellent ideas and thinking here. Thanks sooo much for all your responses!

oljim, in texas

Lovin' life with my honey!
and, President of HOA in Texas
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JimR24 on 06/09/2015 7:53 AM

Do any of you have any ideas about how to make the Association President's job manageable? What do u think?

Jim,

First thing you need to do is define what the President's job is. There are varied resources on that topic but the most important resource would be your own governing documents.

Typically, the President's job is to:

Preside at all meetings of the Association
Set the Agenda for all meetings (with input from the Board)
Prepare Meeting Package
Primary Co-signer of checks (if required)
Verify that the decisions of the Board are carried out
Verify that the Association is in compliance with the governing documents
Verify that the Association is in compliance with State & Federal laws
Shall sign all written instruments of the Association
Be the “face” and voice for the Association

What the President's job is not is to do all the work themselves.

Ways to make the President's job manageable:

1) Get organized

Do you have a calendar of events for the Association? - This can be a good check off list and give you advance warning of when things should be started.

When setting the agenda, do you keep in organized into the main categories of completed business, unfinished business and new business? - Doing this keeps things on track. Placing names of who is taking the lead next to specific issues also helps keep track of what is going on.

Organization also helps the next person who gets the job. I've actually put together a binder for the President. Contact me if you want more info on that [email protected]

2) Delegate

You can't do everything yourself (and shouldn't). If nobody steps up, delegate by saying things like "this should go to the maintenance Officer" or "I think the Secretary and I can handle this".

As an example, we started a storm water management committee to deal with erosion issues within the Association. It took us over two years to get somebody to actually step up and serve on the committee. Until they did, we simply reported that the Board simply does not have time to look into this and unless members volunteer to look into these issues for the board the issue will be tabled.

3) Be Proactive

Do you check status of things? A simple e-mail asking if someone needs any help can help job the volunteers memory that things need to be done.

4) Prioritize / Be Realistic

You are not going to get everything done you want to or think should be done. Unexpected issues and expected issues becoming more complicated than first expected will keep things from getting done. Therefore, be realistic and place things on hold (table the issue) for the next Board or for a later date.

Here are some links:

HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION LEADERSHIP TRAINING A GUIDE for the PRESIDENT

THE SPOTLIGHT is on YOU the PRESIDENT

The Role of Today's HOA Board of Directors

Responsibilities of the Homeowners Association President

JimR24 (Texas)
Posts: 399
Posted:
Excellent advice and resources Tim. I've printed out this entire discussion for future reference - and also bookmarked all the links recommended by Tim.

Awesome...thanks soo much!

oljim, in texas

Lovin' life with my honey!
and, President of HOA in Texas
CyrstalB (Maryland)
Posts: 457
Posted:
are you managed by an MC?
JimR24 (Texas)
Posts: 399
Posted:
Yes we are managed by a property management company. I have been on our board with (and without) the services of a property management company - and their presence has helped somewhat; however, not as much as i thought it was going to. Thanks!

oljim, in texas

Quote:
Posted By CyrstalB on 06/10/2015 4:21 AM
are you managed by an MC?


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JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Jim

We transitioned from Declarant to owners this past January and hired an MC. I was the HOA VO and Treasurer. The President and I had some initial conflict in that he felt I thought the BOD should be doing more even with us having an MC. He felt as we were paying the MC so they should be doing most of the work. Well it turns out he was right. We just kind of went along with how the MC does it and it is working.

My advice to you is try and pass more and more work to the MC. Make them earn their money.
JimR24 (Texas)
Posts: 399
Posted:
Appreciate the advice John. And yes, same as you - we are in discussion about what sorts of things need to be passed on to our management company and what sorts of things the board can best do. Some of the issues have to do with the wise expenditure of our money.

Here is an example...

This past year, the time came for our annual insurance quote. This is something that most boards can expect a management company to do (i.e. to get quotes from insurance companies and pass those on to the board for a final decision). I believe our management company did the best they could; however, we are aware that insurance companies need a substantial amount of information to bring about a realistic quote. Because it takes a lot of work to develop specs for an insurance quote, there became a lack of interest in quoting by insurance companies who were contacted, primarily because (i feel) our management company did not have sufficient time to tailor the specs to our specific situation.

To make a long story short, the board ended up making contact with several insurance companies and supplied the specific information needed. We estimate that, because of the board's efforts, we ended up getting a better policy for about $17K less money than the insurance company who had been the primary resource for us. It's my guess that, if we had allowed the management company to do this work, that $17K would have been in the pockets of the insurance companies, instead of ours.

What do ya'll think?

oljim, in texas

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Posted By JohnC46 on 06/10/2015 5:20 AM
Jim

We transitioned from Declarant to owners this past January and hired an MC. I was the HOA VO and Treasurer. The President and I had some initial conflict in that he felt I thought the BOD should be doing more even with us having an MC. He felt as we were paying the MC so they should be doing most of the work. Well it turns out he was right. We just kind of went along with how the MC does it and it is working.

My advice to you is try and pass more and more work to the MC. Make them earn their money.


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and, President of HOA in Texas
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Jim

We chose the MC we have based on their longevity and experience with similar type HOA's. Thus with this experience and longevity we want their input to help us make decisions. As an example. They got us quotes from 3 landscaping companies. Two of which had contracts with associations they manage and one from a similar company but did not do work at any complex they manage. We were not naive. We knew what landscaping had been costing so we had a general number budgeted for. The proposals were within 20% of each other and in line with our expectations. The final decision up to us. Could we have shopped this out to more? Yes. Did we want to take the time to do so? No.

It is all good when someone steps forward to help like an owner that is in the insurance business but it seems few do. When push comes to shove, the BOD has to do what it has to do. When criticized, we openly invite any member(s) to help us out. They fade away.

PS

We chose the landscaper that had no contracts with any property the MC managed. They were also the mid priced one.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Jim, your story doesn’t surprise me and proves some management companies are better than others. We have a great property manager, but she has 15 communities to manage and sometimes she runs into the same problems (that may be another reason yours couldn’t gather the information you needed to request an insurance quote).

For example, our Board had several conversations about locating all the sewer cleanouts in our community, because half of them (including mine) are likely buried under flower beds, weeds and possibly air conditioner units. During our conversations, I wondered if we might be able to locate some of them if we had a utility line map of the community that would show us where the water and sewer lines were. Unfortunately, our property manager didn’t have one and wasn’t sure where to get it.

You would think this would be something a management company would have had since our townhouse community is responsible for utility lines from the point they leave the unit – and the reason all this came up was because we’d had several expensive repairs because of tree root damage. Fortunately a (now former) Board member got hold of one and passed it along to the property manager.

You’re off to a good start if your board is thinking about what the management company should do vs. the Board itself. Generally, the property manager should be handling all the day to day stuff while the board provides the overall direction (NOT MICROMANAGING!) In your example, the management company should have had the information to put together your quote request – you may want to ask why it couldn’t take the time to gather that information (and possibly consider if they even have the necessary resources to manage your community).

On the bright side, your board’s experience with contacting the insurance companies for a quote will work better for the community in the long run because you know what to look for. Get those procedures written down so your successors won’t have to reinvent the wheel. And now that you have detailed information about your community that can be given to the property manager and help with bids for future projects saving time all around.

Which reminds me – consider setting up advisory committees who can do some research and make recommendations to the Board on specific subjects. That’ll provide valuable training to people who may want to join the Board someday and it’ll save time in gathering information. The Board charters the committees to dictate what they should do and all these people who like to criticize you or other Board members about what you should/shouldn’t do will now have an avenue to do the legwork themselves. At best, it’ll keep them busy and perhaps they’ll have a better appreciation on what you have to do – or they’ll shaddup and siddown! Good luck!

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JimR24 (Texas)
Posts: 399
Posted:
Sure do appreciate everybody's comments here. Shelia, i read your below comment and think it's a great idea!

So far, i've already had a conversation our Association President and it's appearing that we'll be moving forward with this. I plan on coming up with some documentation about how this might work - and plan on sharing it with the board at the next meeting. I am betting things will go well.

Thanks soo much for the thoughts!

oljim, in texas

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Posted By SheliaH on 06/10/2015 6:50 AM
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Which reminds me – consider setting up advisory committees who can do some research and make recommendations to the Board on specific subjects. That’ll provide valuable training to people who may want to join the Board someday and it’ll save time in gathering information. The Board charters the committees to dictate what they should do and all these people who like to criticize you or other Board members about what you should/shouldn’t do will now have an avenue to do the legwork themselves. At best, it’ll keep them busy and perhaps they’ll have a better appreciation on what you have to do – or they’ll shaddup and siddown! Good luck!
....snip


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