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DariushH (California)
Posts: 6
Posted:
We have a ridiculous group of people managing our home owners association. Without getting into too much history the following is the situation and would appreciate any advice.

Back in 2005 I start the build process and my architects submitted plans for the house to the architectural committee for review and approval. No objections were brought up but I don't think anybody even looked at the plans and we continued with the project to the county and finished house in 2007 obtaining occupancy permit, etc. Living normally except usual harassment by the home owners association related to petty stuff which not need to get into. Recently notified that in order to get my deposit back (had forgot about this) they need to do a final inspection. Since my house was totally built to the plan with absolutely no modifications I did not object and allowed a walk thru (mistake). I am typically not at the house and actually have other places rented and I have two care takers (one disabled person and another person who looks after him and my house) living here. They forward my mail, do snow removal, and generally take care of the house in my absence which is quite a bit. After nine years, during their walk thru they became aware of these people and are now trying to enforce single family dwelling restrictions on me. In order to deal with them I have hired a lawyer and wrote a 6 page response to them and am turning my house sitters into renters (two men renting in common), again I am gone 95% of time and have other residences and am legally changing my residence address away from here again just to deal with the situation. Furthermore they are complaining about a small kitchenette which is in the area above my attached garage. I have sent them pictures with tape measurements of the cabinets and the sink which is there showing that it is exactly per my plans submitted back in 2005, built to specification and county reviewed during the final inspection and approved. They are not only asking for removal of the two people at my house, they are also asking for changes to this area.

In my letter I have sent pictures of 8 other homes in the area with completely detached secondary units, two homes with totally flat roof lines which is also against the architectural guidelines. This is a 5000 square foot 4 bedroom 3 bath house and they are objecting to two guys living together in this house. Since they are not "relatives" looking at it as rooms rented out instead of house rented, have not been charging rent but again turning these people into renters now to deal with wording of CC&R. Again I have addressed this by writing up a rental agreement renting the house fully furnished to two guys as tenants in common. Have not slept for a couple of days and blood pressure up like crazy. Need to put an end to this.

First of all they are not going after all of the homes with various discrepancies (detached units, roof line, etc.). They are selectively picking points out of the architectural guidelines and bothering me in particular. My house is built to specifications, again nothing changed and county approved everything. I do not have two full separate kitchens and the house is one attached structure, not two pieces like 8 other homes are. Again they are selectively bothering me.

Also cannot see the "Single Family" definition not including of people of the same sex these days, again this is CA.

CC&R reads "No Lot, or any portion thereof, shall be occupied and used except for single family, residential purposes by Owners, their contract purchasers, lessees, tenants, or social guests."

Since they even have occupied by social guests in here I think I am in the clear but obviously they are moving along with their process. We are the second notice now, third notice goes to hearing. I need some solid information so I can properly fight the issue. No neighbor has ever complained about these people and actually my disabled friend is a musician and is typically invited by neighbors to go their house and play the guitar. The whole thing is pretty absurd, to come and ask for changes (selectively out of the list of architectural guidelines) after 9 years and then objecting to two guys living in a 5000 square foot home. Looking for any advice and help. If you are aware of legal cases of similar issue, single family definition enforcement in CA, etc. would appreciate it. Considering bringing a discrimination law suit against them if necessary. 90% of our yearly dues goes towards an insurance policy which protects the group in case of law suits, etc. Was sold a bill of goods by my real estate agent, should have never purchased this lot, this is an acre property in the mountains and the association rules are basically written like this is a city house in the San Francisco bay area. You can have boats on the property but not empty trailers so if you put your boat on the lake for the summer you can not park your trailer here, it has to go to storage. This is snow country and cheapest storage area parking hovers around $250 per month. Again sorry venting a bit here.

Don

BobD4 (up north)
Posts: 1,002
Posted:
" . . . and would appreciate any advice. . . . I am typically not at the house and actually have other places rented and I have two care takers (one disabled person and another person who looks after him and my house) living here. They forward my mail, do snow removal, and generally take care of the house in my absence which is quite a bit..."

Don : you must be one of the few non-resident owners/investors anywhere nowadays to be "single family" usage complianced for what you claim are only two (2) resident occupants in your 5000 ft2 house.

Maybe the press would be surprised at the attention, . . . that is, IF your house actually has only two (2) occupants.

Sure you haven't bacheloretted the property into dorm style sleeping arrangements with separate locks on each sleeping room ?

Is there a total of only one single lease common to what you say are the two sole occupants ? ie you are landlord only under a single lease to occupant A and occupant B in common and without boarders, roomers , lodgers etc. ? How many vehicles do these two sole occupants have on the premises ?
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
Welcome Don

IMHO, your strongest and easiest defense is that your tenant needs a caregiver. I doubt you will find any definition of SF that excludes an exception for a a resident caregiver. What about the little old lady who can't take care of some of her daily needs anymore, and has someone move in with her. That doesn't all of a sudden make her house a multi-family dwelling.

If the relationship of your 2 male residents is something more, then I think you also have an argument of sexual bias. There are many heterosexual partners who live together without a married certificate - they too would be violating such a SF requirement.

If no objection was made to your plans and you went forward with construction 8 years ago, it's too late for the HOA to cite you for violations now. You had every right to rely on the HOA's passive acceptance especially since you spent significant dollars after no objection was made.


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PitA
Posts: 311
Posted:
to over-simplify:

single family = SHARED entrance and COMMON kitchen / bath facilities

single family for zoning purposes has NOTHING to do with familial relationships

renting a room with use of kitchen = single family

renting of basement with included kitchen and separate entrance = multiple dwelling

renting a room above garage with 'kitchenette' = ?????

only YOU know if you are in violation of YOUR covenants
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
They "are now trying to enforce single family dwelling restrictions on me." Where, Dariush, are these so-called single family restrictions written? What, exactly, do they say?

Are you sure the current harassment isn't related to the "petty harassment" of previously?? I have a feeling that the HOA board is after you for more than the alleged violation that your wrote about.

We are condos most of which are 1050-1550 sf. Several have unrelated people living in them--housemates in some cases and caregivers in others not to mention the unmarried couples. Surey 2 people in 5,000sf on an acre. cannot be a problem for any neighbors or the HOA.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 163
Posted:
Look up the definition of "family" and multiply by two. Do you fall into that situation?
PitA
Posts: 311
Posted:
if a single entrance and a single kitchen - makes no difference
DariushH (California)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Thank you for all of the replies so far. Just to give a little more information, we are 70 homes in a middle of a larger subdivision of about 1000 homes with pool and tennis courts and much more reasonable CC&R. The developer did not want to pay an impact fee and created this ridiculous size subdivision with its own ridiculous set of rules. Actually ran for the board in order to try to dissolve our group and join the larger community and actually got quite a few votes but yes they are after me for such other petty issues.

I believe the comments around the meaning of single family really having to do with the house features is correct and I do not believe that they can enforce this getting rid of my two house sitters. There is only one main kitchen, one laundry room, etc. As mentioned one of the residents has a disorder which does not allow him to pick up his feet and he regularly catches them and falls and my house is designed for handy cap accessibility with large showers with benches and doors. On the car issue somebody mentioned, my house has a 8 car garage all of my cars and toys are inside and locked up. Two cars are parked on my driveway which is about 5500 square feet of asphalt. So again no issue with the two guys or their vehicles, I am not leaving anything out since there is no point to it, was just trying to pick everybody's brain. I am an engineer and I designed literally build this home, did a lot of the work myself, it is a log house and I had the logs stacked by a company but took care of a lot of other stuff myself. So nothing was left out or to chance.

The association is pushing the single family to mean basically a husband and wife and kids, etc. Or people of he same family, brother, etc. I do not believe that if we go to a hearing they will be able to enforce any kind of change to my house, again everything is according to plan. I was hoping someone had some actual legal cases with outcomes as reference. Regardless spent 14 hours on my 6 page response, and consulted an attorney, chewed every word in the response several times and thought about every angle the words can get interpreted. Drove around the neighborhood and took pictures of 8 other homes which actually have detached structures. Again hopefully it will end here, third notice involves a hearing, if it goes there then hopefully some more reasonable and knowledgeable would be involved.

Again they are pick and choosing what they want to enforce out of the architectural guidelines after 9 years, this simply can not be legal. The guidelines require a certain roof pitch, there are two homes with almost complete flat roofs. I know for a fact that they are not asking these people to tear their roof down and put a new one up even though another community member who must have nothing better to do did bring this point up during the last meeting which I attended.

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
The HOA can NOT evict your tenants. They are a third party to the situation and do NOT hold a contract with your tenants. If push comes to shove, create a bonafide lease agreement. This is for reference only. Plus have in it that you can evict them for failing to follow HOA rules. That is always a good idea to have in any HOA lease.

The 2nd kitchen situation has no bearing on HOA issues. It is a resale one. Your house is no longer comparible to the other homes. Which means your home had a competitive advantage. If you were to sell, your home could appraise higher than others. Which is not a bad thing for them either. Home values are based on real numbers. It is what similar homes sell for in a few mile radius. Your home may appraise higher due to the kitchenette if you were to involve it.

Seems to me your trying to make this a discrimation issue. Your just dancing around it for some reason. Are you really wanting to just sue your HOA for something? Otherwise, this issue is not a big one and one easy to ignore.

Former HOA President
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Kitchenette he!!. It is simply a wet bar.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Don,

Stick with the facts. The plans were approved and the work was done according to the plans. If they want you to remove things, then you will seek legal options to recover damages from the Association for previously approving and now requiring the items to be removed.

As for the assistant. Per the ADA, the Association is to allow reasonable accommodations, which, in this case, is a live in assistant.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Since you are in California, you might want to take a look at Davis-Stirling on the subject of "Family Defined:"

FAMILIAL STATUS


Invalid Restriction.
Older documents sometimes have restrictions that limited occupancy to persons related by blood, adoption or marriage. Such restrictions are no longer enforceable. City of Chula Vista v. Pagard (1981) 115 Cal.App.3d 785.

Family Defined. Many municipalities have adopted a broad definition of "family" to include unrelated persons. San Diego's definition is typical:

. . . two or more persons related through blood, marriage or legal adoption . . . or unrelated persons who jointly occupy and have equal access to all areas of a dwelling unit and who function together as an integrated economic unit. (San Diego Mun. Code, §113.0103)

RECOMMENDATION: Before taking action against occupants based on familial status, boards should seek legal counsel. For assistance, contact us.

Read more: Familial Status http://www.davis-stirling.com/tabid/1849/Default.aspx#ixzz3bp05ClYb
from Davis-Stirling.com by Adams Kessler PLC. If your association needs legal assistance, call us at (800) 464-2817.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Larry beat me to referring you to the website he cites. It's compiled by HOA attorneys.

Your board's claims, imo Dari, are bogus. But to get them off your back you may have to engage an attorney to bring with you to the HOA hearing not only for the unrelated people in your home, but also and perhaps especially for your roof situation.

So, when you get that third notice from the board, which invites" you to a hearing, reply by asking exactly what statutes or covenants or rules you're allegedly violating if they are not cited in the notice. By CA law, that letter needs to come to you 15 days before the hearing. In addition, tell them you are bringing an attorney to the hearing and since you are not in violation, you expect the HOA to pay for your attorney. It's best to engage an HOA attorney.

It seems you built the home too long ago for the board to now make the roof an issue. In CA I believe the Board has 5 years to act upon discovery of such a "violation." If they do not, the doctrine of laches, I think, applies, which states they cannot force you to comply with a rule or covenant such a long time after it should have been noticed by someone.

Look up doctrine of laches at davis-stirling.com. (I'm not in any legal field.)
DariushH (California)
Posts: 6
Posted:
I want to thank all participants again for the information specially the specific legal information. I have engaged a "Real Estate" attorney; I live in small town so number of attorneys is very limited.

Just to clarify the roof information provided was not about my house. Two neighbor's homes have totally flat roof, I am sure built to county specifications of 100 lbs. snow load but none the less totally out of character for this area, one has metal siding which is also against the requirements. All good for them and none of my business. My point regarding this was that there are other homes with very obvious and valid violations of the architectural guidelines and the board is choosing to ignore those issues. Nobody is being asked to rip their roof off as far as I know. Pick and choosing their way through the architectural guidelines.

My house complies with all of the rules in the architectural guidelines. The architectural guidelines get into not allowing duplexes (multiple laundries, multiple kitchen, etc.). They are taking my kitchenette from now may be called the wet bar, thank you) and the fact that the 4th bedroom, bath and kitchenette area are above my garage (connected to the house, home is in L formation) and with a large laundry room/mud room with closets/cabinets in between this area and the rest of the house; they are taking this configuration as having created a separate “lockable living quarter”. In the pictures of other neighboring homes there are 8 homes with totally detached garages with living quarters above the garage. Since these areas are detached I am sure there are also bathrooms in these areas since nobody is going to walk outside in -10 (typical winter temperature at night here) to go to the main house to pee. I know for a fact that they are not going after all of these people to change floor plans.

Another clarification, I am not looking to sue anybody was just trying to put the fear of god into these guys. I am engineer, EMT and a ski patrol for the last 23 years. Caring for people not causing headaches, just trying to live and let live and these guys are making it very hard. 2 out of the 3 hours of the last HOA meeting I attended was taken by an older husband and wife stating that these guys have made their life a living hell for the last 8 years. The wife was very verbal and was quote asking “who are you guys and what the hell are you doing for us”. So yes they are also bogging other people, might need to walk around and talk to every neighbor and see if they have any issues. All a waste of my time but again have to see where it goes. Again 90+% of our annual dues go to an insurance policy which among other things protects the board members against law suits. They have now hired a management company since they do not want to perform the free services which they volunteered for (getting on the board) and our dues are expected to go up substantially, currently around $250/year.

Again the specific legal information has been great and I will draft another letter as an attachment to my last one which I sent in on the 30th. I was gone for three weeks to come here and see their second notices, dated 5/20 mailed on the 21st and based what I was told arriving on the 23th. In the letter I am given 10 days from date of the letter to comply and have the people removed and asking for a second inspection of my house. Letting them into my house the first time was an absolute mistake, not about to do it again. I sent in my reply by the 30th regardless and will follow up with another letter with specific legal information from here. Thanks again and please continue to comment. Hopefully this helps other people in similar situation as well.

Don
Home Owner

PitA
Posts: 311
Posted:
..... or unrelated persons who jointly occupy and have equal access to all areas of a dwelling unit and who function together as an integrated economic unit.


D'OH
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
How come I have a feeling that the OP is reaching to convolute the issue with his roof with this "Same-sex" discrimination issue? Seems his real issue is that the roof he has does not fulfill the HOA's requirement of a pitched roof. They want him to change his roof style. It also sounds like he's also has some other "minor" violations.

Everyone knows the HOA can NOT evict their tenants. The HOA does NOT hold the lease. So this seems to be a non issue except maybe providing a copy of a lease agreement if needed. Otherwise, seems someone is trying to claim "harassment by the HOA because I have a same-sex couple living in my home". Which does NOT sound like the real issue here. It sounds like the roof issue is.

Claiming discrimination to defend your possible roof violation convolutes the issue. It's best to address the exact issues at hand and not try to do some smoke and mirrors crap.

Former HOA President
DariushH (California)
Posts: 6
Posted:
OK need major help here!!!!! The group has backed off about asking for changes to my house since not legal for them to do so. But continuing to push the Single Family issue about the house. Again I am on the road quite a bit and I have somebody living here to take care of the place for me. House in snow country and can not be left unoccupied, it actually has been unoccupied for the last couple of months since my helper was also gone for a while. The group is trying to impose a $1000/month penalty now based on violation of section 4.01 of our CC&R which is as follows.

4.01: Use of Lots. No Lot, any potion thereof shall be occupied and used except for single family residential purposes by the Owners, their contract purchasers, lessees, tenants, or social guests. No trade or business or commercial activity shall be carried on or conducted upon any Lot, except that Declarant, its successors or assign, may use any Lot in the Project owned by Delarant for a model home site and display and sales office during construction and until the last Lot is sold by Declarant, or, where Declarant elects to retain one (1) or more Lots as an investment, until three (3) years from the date of closing of the first sale of a Lot in the latest annexed phase of the Project, whichever occurs first. The provision of this Section shall not prohibit home occupations as long as they are merely incidental to the use of the Lots as dwelling, are permitted by local law, are conducted in such a manner as not to adversely affect other Owner's use and enjoyment of the Project, and have received prior written approval of the Board. No health care facilities operating a business or charity of any kind shall be permitted in the Project.

Again this is a 5000 square foot home, 8 car garage, currently one occupant, at time myself and the friend who is living here at times. I do have a lot of health issues and don't particularly want to be here by myself since if something happens "my body" will not be found for a long time. Regardless I do not see how they can be enforcing this and asking for a $1000 per month fine now, they have owed me $500 which they have not returned and now this.

Again I need clear legal advice regarding this, I did not go to the last meeting since discussing this in person with them or via letters had not got me any where. It was my understanding that we were to have third party go over things, instead at their regular meeting last week they have come up with this. They do have an attorney on retainer on their side, don't know what kind of advice he is giving them but this can not be legal. I know about the case laws which were provided, I am out work and barely get by, house is all that is left after the divorce. Need to take care of the properly and as reasonable as possible.

I am reading the CC&R and don't see what is the next step. Obviously somebody with a higher IQ needs to look at this case and make a judgement.

CC&R is attached.

DariushH (California)
Posts: 6
Posted:
CC&R was too big did not attach properly.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By DariushH on 10/14/2015 5:06 PM

Again I need clear legal advice regarding this,

For clear legal advice, contact a local attorney.

In fact, having a local attorney write a letter on your behalf may be the best option.
DariushH (California)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Living in Truckee, local legal advice next to impossible. Only Real Estate attorney here representing the association. From the wording of the CC&R I don't think they have a foot to stand on, consulting a doctor to write something about needing a care taker however again like to cleanly and legally put the issue to rest, really tired of these guys, the discussion has been going on for a year now.

Don
Homeowner
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By DariushH on 10/14/2015 8:36 PM

Living in Truckee, local legal advice next to impossible.

Knowing the area, there are towns nearby and, worst case, a trip to Reno or Sacramento is still a day trip.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By DariushH on 10/14/2015 5:06 PM
Again I need clear legal advice regarding this, I did not go to the last meeting since discussing this in person with them or via letters had not got me any where.

I'm afraid you're not going to find that here. Even if we had a copy of your CCRs to look at there are probably no magic words or even insightful suggestions that will solve your problem without the assistance of a real live attorney.

Do any of the other homeowners there have servants or live-in housekeepers or caretakers? It seems a bit incongruous that you have a 5,000 square ft. home with an 8-car garage but can't find proper legal representation. Maybe you could find an attorney with whom you could video conference with. There have to be lawyers in Sacramento who could help you.
ChazS1 (Ohio)
Posts: 18
Posted:
As per the covenant that you provided, "4.01: Use of Lots. No Lot, any potion thereof shall be occupied and used except for single family residential purposes by the Owners, their contract purchasers, lessees, tenants, or social guests."

I am at a loss to see the problem related to your guests/renters/family.
It appears quite clear that all of the above are included.

You must look up your City and or County definition of "Family" ...since your CC&R appears not to make a definition. The number of cooking facilities does not infer anything. (Think out door Bar B Que, wet bar, basement kitchens, all of the portable cooking appliances available today, including Microwaves, Induction cookers, toaster ovens...ad nausium! The cooking areas just need to be with-in building code requirement. And, it appears that these areas were in original approved plans.

See - http://rkw-law.com/files/6813/4627/3030/What_is_a_Single_Family_RKW.pdf

Please see my other postings related to this.

ChazS1 (Ohio)
Posts: 18
Posted:
Do not over look that most "family" definitions used by City or County include "domestic Employees"...living on premises.....of which there is usually NO Limit in numbers.

Google domestic employee/servant...live in or home share domestic amd Fair Labor Standards Act related to Domestic servants / Employees
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By DariushH on 10/14/2015 5:06 PM

Again I need clear legal advice regarding this,

If you want actual legal advice, you need to consult with a local attorney.

This forum does not give legal advice.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Oops, repeated myself. I failed to scroll down the entire thread.
Sorry about that.
ChazS1 (Ohio)
Posts: 18
Posted:
Agreed, Most definitely!

BUT! Every Attorney has there own Opinion...just like "normal folks". And, when asked, that is all you get.....opinion. Even when paying for "legal advise"

If you are a knowledgeable consumer, (having researched and found related codes and prior judicial findings) then, you will be able to separate the facts from the BS that Attorneys generally offer as a waste of time and money.

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