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MichaelB32 (California)
Posts: 141
Posted:
There was a shock to our membership when ballots were release this month for the upcoming election. Only one person was running for our five member Board. Our Board gave us no notice that they were not going to run again. Nor have they made any active effort over the last couple of months to (1) replace a vacancy or (2) actively seek candidates to replace them. It was assumed they would run again. Normally our elections are by Secret ballot. Now at our Annual meeting we will need to nominate member to serve for the Board. No one seems to want to get involved in this Board. Hence right now, no one has stepped up to the plate. Our Associate has 180 member. The old board also issue an edict (operation procedure-election qualification) that only members whose primary address is on the property can hold a position on the Board. Fifty percent (50%) of the property owners at our Association do not use their unit as their primary residence (e.g second home, vacation home [we are by the beach] and as rentals).

Over the last couple of years, this Board leadership has abused it power to intimidate membership.

They involved the police with an opposition candidate claiming a hate crime violation.
They hosted out of control meetings.
They used their position to personally attack members.
They remove the Real Estate Placards to advertise property and ignored a petition to reinstate them.
The Board issues notices to members with unsubstantiated facts. If question, they answer through their legal council.
They abused the members though close meetings and hidden agendas—even keep their own Board members in the dark.

Recently the leadership of the Board filed a lawsuit again a new homeowner for remodeling their unit instead of working with them. Unfortunately, these irrational attitudes have members scared of this Board. They might hear form an attorney. It is not surprising that no one want serve on the Board.

My questions if we do not get enough people (5) to step up to the plate to serve on the Board, will the State of California have to step in and assume running our HOA.

Michael Barto
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CarolF (Florida)
Posts: 435
Posted:
If you were so opposed to your board why aren't you willing to run?
JonD1
Posts: 2,350
Posted:
Funny, how the OP lists all that was wrong with this board and then complains when the board plans to leave their positions!

What would make you happy? They remain but do as everyone else says.

180 members and no takers. Please someone do our job for us. Please someone protect our homes and investments for us.
Please someone protect our ability to not get involved but complain from a distance.

Seems some people can never be happy.

Perhaps a court ordered receivership is down the road. Good way to waste money, and lose control of your property. So sit back stick your head in the sand and rely on hope someone else will do what you avoid. Not likely...
MichaelB32 (California)
Posts: 141
Posted:
That was not my question. Certainly I am pursuing that. But what if we do not get five members nominated?

Michael Barto
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AnnH5 (Florida)
Posts: 304
Posted:
Jon already answered your question. If you do not get enough Board members to continue the operation of your HOA, you are at risk of being entered into a court appointed receivership. The other solution is to dissolve the HOA OR to get enough owners to step up to the plate.

I also agree with the other response---you should be THRILLED to be able to get rid of an abusive Board and start anew. Find four other like minded owners, get on the Board, and fix the problems. You have been given a huge favor, don't squander it.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
You need to read your bylaws and election rules, Michael. One thing you need to know is what percent of your homeowners must vote to achieve a quorum. It might be 25%, but could be some other %. This might be hard to achieve with so many absentee owners If a quorum doesn't vote, you cannot have your new volunteers on the Board.

So you must get everyone to come to the annual meeting & election. When is it? Will your HOA attorney or Prop. Mgr. be there? Often one or both attend elections and can show you all how to do it legally.

If your bylaws don't forbid it, you can have nominations for the board come the "floor." That is, any qualified owner may be nominated by self or another to serve. You all can be voted on at that meeting if there is a quorum via ballot, by proxy or in person.

So you see, this is fairly complicated if NONE of you know anything about HOAs and how Boards are supposed to govern. It might be best to combine with others right now and hire a qualified HOA attorney to help you!!

No, the set of CA will NOT hep you. Instead as others have written, you probably will have to go into receivership where you all will pay a big price to have an attorney govern your HOA.

I do hate to say this, but your members are learning a very hard lesson. HOA owners MUST pay attention to how the Board runs their HOA and throw them out is they're are bad like yours Michael. We're foolish if we always count on "the other guys" to manage our affairs.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 163
Posted:
Michael

There are a number of issues as I see them.

1. Prior to ballots being sent out, call for nominations must be sent out and those candidate forms MUST be received at least 45 days prior to the date of the opening of the ballots or annual meeting.
2. The Board CANNOT, in California, just make up Board qualifications. There is a process, whether it is through a rules change, such as the required Election Rues your association is supposed to have, or amending the Bylaws, which requires membership approval, generally in the range of 50%.
3. By not submitting a nomination form and thus not being on the ballot, any Board member not on the ballot pretty much resigned. BUT, unless you get quorum at the annual meeting, which is probably at least 91 in your case, the current Board stays on, because they are there until replaced.
4. Is the one person on the ballot a Board member?
5. Do you have a management company?
6. The current Board may be doing an end around. BUT, if they really do resign, then business stops. The only items that can get paid are utilities and anything safety or security related.
7. The HOA, if no leadership exists, then it could fall into court-appointed receivership. While normally a bad thing, this may wake some people. But as you pointed out, there is only 50% owner occupancy.
8. Unless you know you're doing, you (association) is going to need some outside help

Best of luck
WillR2 (Colorado)
Posts: 29
Posted:
My guess is California is similar to Colorado - where I live. Under our governing documents, we can have up to 5 Board members, but must have at least 3. Thus, without 3, as I understand the Revised Colorado Non-Profit Ownership Act, we would then be taken over by the Courts.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Am I the only one who "read between the lines" and did not find everything the OP stated about their board as being "out of control"? The board is NOT the police. So not knowing all of the details, the board or even individual does have the right to call the police to handle situations. Not having Real Estate signs? Many HOA's ban signs including real estate signs. That's not unusual to hear that. Out of control meetings? Seems that it is ALL involved attending meetings that makes them out of control. To blame just the board for having out of control meetings is a stretch if it's NOT just the board attending the meeting.

From reading what the OP stated, I can imagine no one would want to run as a board member. Sounds like who ever gets the position is dang if they do... and danged if they don't. Maybe it's time to lighten the load on the board and read your documents and educate.

Former HOA President
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Am I the only one who "read between the lines" and did not find everything the OP stated about their board as being "out of control"? The board is NOT the police. So not knowing all of the details, the board or even individual does have the right to call the police to handle situations. Not having Real Estate signs? Many HOA's ban signs including real estate signs. That's not unusual to hear that. Out of control meetings? Seems that it is ALL involved attending meetings that makes them out of control. To blame just the board for having out of control meetings is a stretch if it's NOT just the board attending the meeting.

From reading what the OP stated, I can imagine no one would want to run as a board member. Sounds like who ever gets the position is dang if they do... and danged if they don't. Maybe it's time to lighten the load on the board and read your documents and educate.

Former HOA President
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RichardP13 on 05/30/2015 6:44 PM
Michael

There are a number of issues as I see them.

1. Prior to ballots being sent out, call for nominations must be sent out and those candidate forms MUST be received at least 45 days prior to the date of the opening of the ballots or annual meeting.
2. The Board CANNOT, in California, just make up Board qualifications. There is a process, whether it is through a rules change, such as the required Election Rues your association is supposed to have, or amending the Bylaws, which requires membership approval, generally in the range of 50%.
3. By not submitting a nomination form and thus not being on the ballot, any Board member not on the ballot pretty much resigned.
4. Is the one person on the ballot a Board member?
5. Do you have a management company?
6. The current Board may be doing an end around. BUT, if they really do resign, then business stops. The only items that can get paid are utilities and anything safety or security related.
7. The HOA, if no leadership exists, then it could fall into court-appointed receivership. While normally a bad thing, this may wake some people. But as you pointed out, there is only 50% owner occupancy.
8. Unless you know you're doing, you (association) is going to need some outside help

Best of luck

Michael

As Richard said:

BUT, unless you get quorum at the annual meeting, which is probably at least 91 in your case, the current Board stays on, because they are there until replaced.

This might well be the present BOD's plan of action.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RichardP13 on 05/30/2015 6:44 PM

BUT, unless you get quorum at the annual meeting, which is probably at least 91 in your case, the current Board stays on, because they are there until replaced.

That is, unless they resign.
BobD4 (up north)
Posts: 1,002
Posted:
Some owners may be screaming now, but they should look at whatever your state's track record has been with judicially approved or tribunal approved administratorships (? receiverships ?) where owner self-governance has been replaced with something non-elected and still requiring bucks paid.

More than a dozen administratorships have been issued since our jurisdiction's condo law introduced a condo-specific remedy in 2001. Several of the most chaotic eventually came back to PLEAD - sometimes unsuccessfully - for judicial escape. It has been clear in some cases that self-governance would be pretty rocky; old habits die hard.

If having a governance organization is worthwhile, owners need a realistic reality check about the alternative downside of having to pay some non-elected contractor/state appointee to govern with accountability only to the appointing authority. Cheaper it is unlikely to be.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MichaelB32 on 05/30/2015 4:38 PM

My questions if we do not get enough people (5) to step up to the plate to serve on the Board, will the State of California have to step in and assume running our HOA.

Ignoring all the back story, I'm only going to focus on the question asked.

There was a time when I was the only person on the ballot for our board of 5. At the election, we had nobody nominated from the floor. I was elected and found myself as a board of one. You can read about that issue by clicking the link to the following thread in this forum: Subject: Seeking advice on how to handle this issue

As Richard stated, the outgoing Directors, per statute, continue to serve even if their term has expired until their replacement is elected or appointed or they resign. When I canvased the outgoing board, 3 gave their resignation and one agreed to continue serving.

If they resign, then those remaining on the Board is authorized to appoint anyone to fill those vacancies (providing that they meet any qualifiers that may be in the Bylaws).

JeanI (Louisiana)
Posts: 112
Posted:
Contact other HOA's in your area who are knowledgeable and ask for recommendations as yo how to proceed. You may need to hire an outside management company and function with a small board ( three members who oversee their work) It will cost some money and you may need to raise the dues but the receivership option is less desirable. JMI
MichaelB32 (California)
Posts: 141
Posted:
A letter was sent to our Property Management Company asking them how we perform our Election with only one candidate on the Ballot for a five man Board. Question likes, how do we nominate?, who can we nominate?, how do people vote with a mailed in secret ballot at our Annual Election meeting where nominations are taken? How do we do a write-in. Our Management Company knew about this two weeks ago, there answer today was they were waiting for the HOA attorney to provide them an answer. We also asked how many proxy they have to meet quorum. They state that this information was keep by a third party. In checking out that third part, there is no phone number, they are about 75 mile away from our Association and they use a PWB mail box. Needless to say many of us are hitting the roof. Can we in California file a complaint with someone or through small claim or with the State or whatever. We have less then 30day to find people to assume positions on the Board. We are getting a strange felling that our HOA attorney has taken over our HOA.

Michael Barto
[email protected]
CyrstalB (Maryland)
Posts: 457
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MichaelB32 on 06/03/2015 5:17 PM
A letter was sent to our Property Management Company asking them how we perform our Election with only one candidate on the Ballot for a five man Board. Question likes, how do we nominate?, who can we nominate?, how do people vote with a mailed in secret ballot at our Annual Election meeting where nominations are taken? How do we do a write-in. Our Management Company knew about this two weeks ago, there answer today was they were waiting for the HOA attorney to provide them an answer. We also asked how many proxy they have to meet quorum. They state that this information was keep by a third party. In checking out that third part, there is no phone number, they are about 75 mile away from our Association and they use a PWB mail box. Needless to say many of us are hitting the roof. Can we in California file a complaint with someone or through small claim or with the State or whatever. We have less then 30day to find people to assume positions on the Board. We are getting a strange felling that our HOA attorney has taken over our HOA.

Or more like it is your realizing that you are paying a lot of money for someone to manage you, and you are getting nothing in return. If you weren't in California I would make a good guess as to your having the same company we recently fired!

Check your state laws as to what happens if you have no board, ours states we go into receivership. The answer is there somewhere and you can find it yourself I bet, or someone here can guide you to where it is for your state.

AND, most important right now is for you to make sure that a board member has complete access to your bank account, and they do not. When they are hiring out of state vendors, be wary.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Michael, please reread the replies you received right after you sent your question.

By the way, why don't you & others phone or visit your property manager?
MichaelB32 (California)
Posts: 141
Posted:
Update: Well we have four people to step up as WRITE-IN candidates. We are using the independent newsletter and mail outs to tell everyone.

Trying to get information from our Management Company is getting really strange. They will provide a mailing list after 10 days. They are waiting for the HOA lawyer to answer questions about the election. They have stuck the Election under the control of some company with only a PWB address (rented mail box service) with no phone number. We asked to see the contract for this company. They said they would get back to us.

Michael Barto
[email protected]
CyrstalB (Maryland)
Posts: 457
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MichaelB32 on 06/06/2015 7:21 AM
Update: Well we have four people to step up as WRITE-IN candidates. We are using the independent newsletter and mail outs to tell everyone.

Trying to get information from our Management Company is getting really strange. They will provide a mailing list after 10 days. They are waiting for the HOA lawyer to answer questions about the election. They have stuck the Election under the control of some company with only a PWB address (rented mail box service) with no phone number. We asked to see the contract for this company. They said they would get back to us.

Michael, get control of your hoa bank account asap. Call the PM or go Monday morning and ask them what board members are on the bank account. If nothing else, that is the very first thing you should do if your getting strange feelings with this PM.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By CyrstalB on 06/07/2015 6:19 AM

Michael, get control of your hoa bank account asap. Call the PM or go Monday morning and ask them what board members are on the bank account. If nothing else, that is the very first thing you should do if your getting strange feelings with this PM.

That is to say, do this once you are elected or appointed to the Board.

Also once on the board, start collecting the Association records from the MC and past board members. Things that are not under control of the Association may tend to get lost.
CyrstalB (Maryland)
Posts: 457
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TimB4 on 06/07/2015 8:14 PM
Posted By CyrstalB on 06/07/2015 6:19 AM

Michael, get control of your hoa bank account asap. Call the PM or go Monday morning and ask them what board members are on the bank account. If nothing else, that is the very first thing you should do if your getting strange feelings with this PM.


That is to say, do this once you are elected or appointed to the Board.

Also once on the board, start collecting the Association records from the MC and past board members. Things that are not under control of the Association may tend to get lost.

I posted that with respect to his stating the board has abandoned the HOA. Wouldn't any HO have a right to know what board members are (still on the account?

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TimB4 on 06/07/2015 8:14 PM
Posted By CyrstalB on 06/07/2015 6:19 AM

Michael, get control of your hoa bank account asap. Call the PM or go Monday morning and ask them what board members are on the bank account. If nothing else, that is the very first thing you should do if your getting strange feelings with this PM.

Quote:
Posted By CyrstalB on 06/08/2015 5:27 AM

I posted that with respect to his stating the board has abandoned the HOA. Wouldn't any HO have a right to know what board members are (still on the account?

Who the Board members are? Absolutely.

To acquire control of the Association finances while not being on the Board? Absolutely not.

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