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JohnH45 (Florida)
Posts: 7
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I am trying to determine the proper course to get my HOA to follow the governing documents.

We recently had an election (I was on the ballot), however, the election procedures were not followed and had a direct impact on the election results (or lack thereof).

Specifically, our bylaws (and last 7 elections) state proxies are mailed to members including Limited Powers to allow members to vote for a candidate of their choice. Ballots are only to be given out to members in attendance at the meeting the election is going to take place.

Instead, our board sent out ballots to all homeowners in advance, and did not provide a Limited Power Proxy (as required by our bylaws):

"Ballots are only to be to Members at the meeting in which the election is to be held. Limited proxies are to be mailed 14 days in advance....."

We require a quorum of 123. Between attendees and proxies we were 38 short of quorum; however, we had 99 advanced ballots which did not count towards quorum.

I want to compel the BOD to hold an election consistent with our governing documents.

Is this an election dispute (no election actually held) that requires mandatory arbitration. Or is this subject to pre-suit mediation since no election (nor meeting) actually took place?
AnnH5 (Florida)
Posts: 304
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You have stated that "between attendees and proxies" you were short. Why did some owners receive proxies and some owners receive ballots (assuming that the proxies came from mail). Something doesn't add up. The attendees could have been given ballots but where did the proxies come from if the board sent out ballots instead of proxies?
JohnH45 (Florida)
Posts: 7
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Members were also mailed general proxies whereby they could name someone to act on their behalf, but were bound to the "honor system" as to who that proxy voted for. In the past, and as called for in our documents, there should have been a limited proxy option whereby you could name someone on your behalf to cast a vote for a specific candidate.
JohnH45 (Florida)
Posts: 7
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I would add, that the BOD recognizes now that the documents were not followed--they were following the original covenants without regard to an amendment pass July of 2008; however, with the cost of an election being between $2k - $4k, they don't want to "redo" the election.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
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Posted By JohnH45 on 05/21/2015 3:15 PM
I would add, that the BOD recognizes now that the documents were not followed--they were following the original covenants without regard to an amendment pass July of 2008; however, with the cost of an election being between $2k - $4k, they don't want to "redo" the election.

If you or anyone else takes this into litigation, they will not only have that expense plus thousands more in attorney fees and court costs. Their chances of prevailing in court are near-zero, so how does their plan save any money?

If the board members who ran this election had any scruples, they would pay the expense out of their own pockets. It was their own mistake that caused the problem and just how it is that board members could be unaware of those amendments to the election procedures?
JohnH45 (Florida)
Posts: 7
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I think they are hoping I just go away; however, I plan to either serve them with pre-suit mediation or arbitration at the next meeting; however, I'm not sure which applies. In Florida we have mandatory pre-suit mediation for most covenant enforcement issues; however, recalls and election disputes are subject to arbitration. I'm struggling with which this falls into--there was no election (no election results to dispute) because there was no quorum.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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John

Would not getting them to admit they were wrong and will run elections as they should not be enough for you?
JohnH45 (Florida)
Posts: 7
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The intention is compel them to hold an election as prescribed by the governing documents. They have already had 1 vote and decided 4-3 not to hold the election due to the cost associated. I have recently made them aware of the procedural errors (which they do not dispute) and they will have another vote on the subject--but initial indications are they still are not going to have an election because "they made a good faith effort to have an election" and that "it would cost ~$4000 to do so at a time we should be tightening our belts."

And the crux of the issue for me, if this requires Arbitration as an "election dispute" rather than pre-suit mediation, I only have 60 days to file from the date the election results are announced (which I assume would be the date we didn't have quorum).
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
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I'm not a lawyer but FS 720.311(2)(a) says "Disputes between an association and a parcel owner regarding ... membership meetings not including election meetings ... shall be the subject of a demand for presuit mediation served by an aggrieved party before the dispute is filed in court."

Whereas FS 720.306(9)(c) says "Any election dispute between a member and an association must be submitted to mandatory binding arbitration with the division."

I think 720.306 takes precedence. The board is acting as if a valid election was held and I think it should be handled as an election dispute. Again, I'm not an attorney and you shouldn't rely on anything I say. Talk to an actual lawyer and see what they have to say. In the case where I'm right I think you're looking at 720.306's mandatory binding arbitration.

If I may ask, what's the practical difference between mediation and arbitration? Cost? Timeframe for a decision? Travel considerations?
SheliaH (Indiana)
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Posted By GenoS on 05/22/2015 2:18 AM
I'm not a lawyer but FS 720.311(2)(a) says "Disputes between an association and a parcel owner regarding ... membership meetings not including election meetings ... shall be the subject of a demand for presuit mediation served by an aggrieved party before the dispute is filed in court."

Whereas FS 720.306(9)(c) says "Any election dispute between a member and an association must be submitted to mandatory binding arbitration with the division."

I think 720.306 takes precedence. The board is acting as if a valid election was held and I think it should be handled as an election dispute. Again, I'm not an attorney and you shouldn't rely on anything I say. Talk to an actual lawyer and see what they have to say. In the case where I'm right I think you're looking at 720.306's mandatory binding arbitration.

If I may ask, what's the practical difference between mediation and arbitration? Cost? Timeframe for a decision? Travel considerations?

I believe the primary difference is that a mediator helps negotiate a settlement between the parties whereas an arbitrator would hear both sides and then make a decision. In many cases, both sides agree in advance that the arbitrator's decision will settle the matter and the process isn't as formal as a court proceeding so you can make your case with or without a lawyer.

Since this is a dispute over an election, I think I'd prefer the matter go to mediation or perhaps arbitration. Generally, the process is faster and cheaper than going to court. Then again, fellow homeowners could be rallied and everyone go before the board and demand some sort of recount....that may take a little longer but it's cheaper for everyone

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
ND (PA)
Posts: 792
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John,

Let me ask this . . . in either situation (redoing election or going to arbitration/mediation) what would the impact be on the voting results? Do you know for sure that you would have been voted on to the Board or the result that you have today would be any different? I only ask to try and help determine if either path forward would yield different results and be worth the time, effort, and money spent.

You said you were 38 short of quorum . . . does that mean that the election is deemed to have not occurred and the existing Board Members remain on the board?

If advanced ballots do not count toward quorum, then what is the purpose of the advanced ballots? A good question for the Board. Perhaps the advance ballots should and are intended to count toward quorum and all votes should be recounted to determine the outcome.

JohnH45 (Florida)
Posts: 7
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The result would be different in that either my self or the opposing candidate would have been elected. The sitting board member whose seat was up did not run, but when quorum wasn't established, chose to remain on the board.

The bylaws do not permit advanced ballots and specify limited proxies shall be sent instead (BOD sent advanced ballots and general proxies). Presumably, those 99 members would have submitted a limited proxy rather than a ballot and we would have had quorum. There's a lot more to this story, I could probably entertain everyone for weeks about the history of our board.

At this time we have 7 board members, of which only 3 have been elected either through circumstance or direct manipulation.

I have found a case which convinces me Binding Arbitration is in order. I appreciate everyone's thoughts on the matter.

http://www.ccfjfoundation.net/DBPRarbrulingHOAelection.html
ND (PA)
Posts: 792
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Yup, sounds entertaining. Why are Florida HOAs so jacked up?!

While I'm sure you want a proper election, is it safe to say that your immediate goal is for either you or the other candidate to be elected to the Board?

If that's the case, another avenue to pursue might be to make a more formal proposal to the Board that if the one Board Member would resign his seat and the current Board nominate you (or the other candidate) to that seat based on what the votes would have been, then you will discontinue you pursuit of arbitration/mediation and work alongside the Board to do things right into the future.

Convince them that if this is not done, then you will continue pursuing your courses of action which will end up costing much greater that the $4k (in time and money) for holding another election properly.
JohnH45 (Florida)
Posts: 7
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ND, the avenue as you suggest would be an ideal compromise; however, since there was no quorum, those in attendance didn't get to vote (nor did the candidates have an opportunity to speak). While I believe I would end the winner in that circumstance, I don't think that would be right unless those people who were in attendance were also allowed to vote.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
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Posted By JohnH45 on 05/22/2015 6:42 AM
I have found a case which convinces me Binding Arbitration is in order. I appreciate everyone's thoughts on the matter.

http://www.ccfjfoundation.net/DBPRarbrulingHOAelection.html

That was a good find. The decision even mentions absentee ballots, "If the drafters had intended to allow for voting by mail-in ballot, the bylaws would have reflected such an intent as it did so with in person voting and proxy voting".

Keep in mind that laws can change. That final order references FS 720.306(9) and quotes from it verbatim, but that section has changed a lot in the 10 years since that case was resolved. Election disputes remain subject to mandatory binding arbitration, though, so you're probably on the right track.
BobD4 (up north)
Posts: 1,002
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Posted By JohnH45 on 05/21/2015 1:17 PM

I am trying to determine the proper course to get my HOA to follow the governing documents.

. .. We require a quorum of 123. Between attendees and proxies we were 38 short of quorum; however, we had 99 advanced ballots which did not count towards quorum.

I want to compel the BOD to hold an election consistent with our governing documents.

Is this an election dispute (no election actually held) that requires mandatory arbitration. Or is this subject to pre-suit mediation since no election (nor meeting) actually took place?

John H45 (Florida)

Respectfully, you probably should review this one carefully with a lawyer before signing on individually for mediation or arbitration that may leave you looking like some office seeker who has added ? $4K more Owners General Meeting expense where the Board is already back to a full 7. 'You cost us 25 cents. You are Satan'

Arbitration outcomes are often not certain nor is the cost, eg a 2004 arbitration about Rule-violating seagull feeding on a owner's balcony (in another jurisdiction) having hit that owner with $150,000 in arbitration awards.

Only you can know how much your HOA's own by-laws were contravened by the mail out package sent to owners.

However the subsequent quorum-failed Meeting itself could have been as much an "Election Meeting" as - depending on your bylaws - an "Audit receiving/ Auditor appointing Meeting" or a "Last Year's Minutes Meeting". Your state's Ch 720 does not appear to define an "Election Meeting". As you commented, short quorum may mean No Election Held at all.

Not helping your position is the likely onus to link the mailouts to the short quorum. Yes there were 99 whacky, by-law violating Ballots somehow returned, but could they be conclusively shown to induce the quorum -shortfall of 38 attendors/proxied ? I myself would suspect a connection, but it is a leap to prove that the illegal Ballots misled the 38 Owners-short into neither attending nor executing a lawful limited proxy. Yes there were illegal open-ended /unlimited proxies, but the same problem for you to overcome.

You may want to discuss getting together with justly annoyed owners to consider your state's chapter 720.303 (10) RECALL OF DIRECTORS remedy.

The 4 Directors who recently voted against attempting another Owners meeting, might need some incentive to respect owners rights and comply with how ch 720 and your by-laws address such in the Mailouts. ( Your state's ch 720.306 (2) only stipulates that the association "shall hold a Meeting of its members annually ..." without being insurers nor guarantors of quorum. It does not literally stipulate attempts after owners fail to deliver quorum ). But the recall threat with others may be more solid than trying to arbitrate an election never held.

Good luck.

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