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GreggK2 (Kansas)
Posts: 86
Posted:
Hi again. With us recently putting out a newsletter to our HOA, we've gotten tremendous feedback from the home owners. We've also received some complaints about other home owners not following the Declaration of Restrictions and I am not sure how we should approach this. For example, is states that no one can leave a car parked on the streets overnight yet many people do. I am sure we could send the home owner a letter but since it does not violate a city ordinance, is there anything we can really do? We also have a clause that discusses how trash cans cannot be let in plain sight form the street. Again, we have about 20 homes that move their cans to their garage doors. The city ordinance allows it by our DOR does not.

How can we approach these home owners if we have no real "power" to back this up?
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Gregg

The fact that owners agreed to abide by the Covenants is the answer. Some Covenants have tighter restrictions then local laws (overnight parking, trash can storage, fences, etc.) and the fact that the homeowner agreed to them is the answer which allows you to take "action" when they do not abide by them.

GreggK2 (Kansas)
Posts: 86
Posted:
But what action? If we send a letter to inform them of the violation, they could easily just say "piss off" so what next? Court?
DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
Posted:
Some doc allow for fining for violations, if yours do, then you have some teeth to back up any enforcement efforts.

In the case of my association it was determined many years ago that our docs don't allow for fines for most violations. Since we own the streets, we can enforce parking violations by towing, but for most others compliance is essentially voluntary. Fortunately, most members don't realize that, or they want to do the right thing, so when we send violation letters, most comply. As you mentioned, we could sue to enforce compliance, but there isn't any board support for doing that.

Suing is a bit of a crap shoot anyway. One of my neighbors is a lawyer and while he was waiting for the case he was involved in to come up, an HOA suit about someone painting their house a non-approved color was heard. The judge took a look at the paperwork, made a comment about "another petty HOA suit clogging up the courts", allowed each side about 2 minutes to plead their case, and dismissed the suit.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
PitA
Posts: 311
Posted:
What remedy(s) are stated in your Covenants ?

Have you read said Covenant thoroughly ?

Until you understand same ?

Each INDIVIDUAL member may also take court action.

So, if you truly believe your contract is being violated and talking to the violator does nothing, YOU may seek legal redress.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
The catch 22 of HOA's... You want neighbors to conform to the rules but there is no real enforcement. Your HOA should have the right to fine. It just lacks the definition. Which means you need to make a Fining Schedule and publish/distribute to ALL members.

A fining schedule works like this: Leaving a garbage can out on Tuesday... It is a $5 a day fine for each day in violation up to $50. Basically, setting up actual numbers associated with each violation.

Here is the rub... Fines can not be the bases of liens. You can not lien/foreclose for unpaid fines. Lawsuits don't hold much weight either. Your HOA may win it's lawsuit but the person can sell and move without paying. It's more or less the "honor system" when it comes to fines. They do work more like speeding tickets for the HOA.

We never used fines in our HOA to enforce rules. That is because in our HOA we could fix the violation and send the owner the bill if they fail to comply. If they did not pay that bill, we could then place a lien on them for it. Which a lien means they can not sell until it is paid off. We never really did this method but we did let it be known this is how we deal with violations.

Now some HOA's use a little sneaky method. They will apply the fines owed to dues owed. They use the dues collected to apply to fines and NOT the dues owed. That way technically can lien for fines as it's unpaid dues and not fines. That to me is a bit underhanded but some HOA's that is the way they do it.

Keep in mind each state is different. So find out what is legal in your state before proceeding.

Former HOA President
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Gregg,

You can defer this issue by asking for volunteers to form a committee and check into the options on how to enforce this covenant (towing, fines etc.). Explain that, although the board is concerned, that time constraints on other issues simply doesn't allow the board to investigate the options thoroughly and therefore are asking for assistance from the membership.

If you get volunteers, great!

If you don't get volunteers, the issue is deferred to a later board.

Personally, I think you have larger issues to deal with than enforcement right now.

If you need to amend the covenants to allow fines, then make the proposal. If there is membership support, it will happen. If there is not membership support, it won't. Hence, the members have spoken.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Gregg

Typically fellow owners will be in support of "punishment" fines for breaking rules.

Sending out warning letters about parking and towing will get peoples attention, especially when one car gets towed.
GreggK2 (Kansas)
Posts: 86
Posted:
I'm not wanting us to become the kind of HOA that fines everyone on a whim. I am concerned about those who have taken on the "screw it" mentality and are just doing things the way the want to. I'm all for sending letters but I am wanting to be ahead of the game when they respond negatively. I do not believe we can have a car towed and I've yet to see anything that allows us to fine people.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
If you don't have a clear enforcement policy, then you need to adopt one. This should be first.

Associations can tow, but they must comply with County towing requirements. This typically requires signage of specific language, size, font and posting locations. However, prior to that, you need to adopt a resolution or amend the current documents to allow towing as an enforcement option.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I think tim's most recent reply sums it up best, Gregg. But I agree with others that you have bigger fish to fry at the moment.

Still, since you are putting out a newsletter, you might write a friendly-reminder type of article next time for starters.

We don't live in the type of HOA you do, but I'm curious to know how others here fine for parking overnight in the street and improper trash can storage. A certain # of days to correct? A certain amount per violation?

We do fine and must follow strict CA laws about calling owners to hearings, etc.

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