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JohnW38 (Florida)
Posts: 5
Posted:
I own a home that backs up to a fairly busy road. Between the back of my home and the road is a pond, and a pond bank near the road which, for the first 18-years of the development's existence, had thick foliage that made line-of-sight (of the road) virtually impossible. My lot is 1/2 an acre so the road is not 'far away.'

In short, the trees on the bank weren't looking healthy so the HOA ripped them out (without forewarning) and has no plan nor intention of replacing them. Instead, they laid down sod so that now I stare at the road, the guard rails, pedestrians, and speeding traffic. Homes on my street (~21) were designed around the pools in the rear, the pond, and the trees/landscaping--my home has 3 sets of triple sliders in the rear (more glass than block). Now it appears my home was designed to gawk at a super highway (40 mph, 4-lane, actually).

The HOA plat and covenants/by-laws state that that bank is the HOA's responsibility to 'maintain' (it's a landscape easement; technically the bank is the property of the homeowners). The HOA BOD claims that all they're obligated to do is mow and edge (i.e. that's their definition of maintain). I disagree mostly based on common sense...or better yet MERRIAM-WEBSTER defines 'maintain' as:

"to keep in an existing state (as of repair, efficiency, or validity) : preserve from failure or decline"

In my mind, removing trees and replacing them with sod is not 'keeping it in an existing state.' It's a down-grade as a result of not wanting to pay for the cost of true maintenance.

Anyone have any precedent here? Can anyone give advice (on how to restore my privacy and lost property value...~10% estimated from realtor friend).

Thank you.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
Hi John

If the trees had health issues and your BOD made the decision to remove them base on declining health, then your BOD was probably acting within its authority. Certainly, if the trees continued to decline and someone was injured because a tree wasn't maintained adequately, then your HOA could be liable.

Unfortunately, there was no advance notice - but the trees are gone - and the BOD is not willing to replace them. Have you considered:
(a) Gathering support from a group of similarly situated neighbors and requesting that money be budgeted for plantings in that area;
(b) Coming up with a proposal where the HOA and the affected HOs will share the cost of something other than sod;
(c) Proposing that shrubs replace the removed trees.


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LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
John,

I would strongly recommend seeking a legal opinion from an attorney, especially since you are claiming a diminished property value.

The problem here is that the term "landscape easement" is not very explicit and leaves a lot of unanswered questions. For example, who owns the trees growing on your property inside the landscape easement?

If the HOA's interpretation is correct (i.e., their job is to mow and edge) where do they derive the unilateral authority to cut down trees on your property?

I think the outcome will hinge on the exact wording of the easement, the exact authority granted by virtue of the CC&R's, and existing Florida statutes and case law.
JohnW38 (Florida)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Thanks guys. I know ideally, beyond the CC&R and the plat, a landscape easement is often defined in detail (ownership of trees within, exact roles/responsibilities) in a separate document. This easement is not, I'm pretty sure as I've searched and asked. It's simply the one line in the plat and CC&R ("HOA will maintain landscape easement").

PitA
Posts: 311
Posted:
Evidently the HOA cut down YOUR trees.

Let us assume (for the sake of argument) that the trees were sick and presented a hazard.

? Would YOU want to personally bear the associated cost of the removal ?
JohnW38 (Florida)
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Posted By PitA on 05/19/2015 2:16 PM
Evidently the HOA cut down YOUR trees.

Let us assume (for the sake of argument) that the trees were sick and presented a hazard.

? Would YOU want to personally bear the associated cost of the removal ?

Great point, Pita. Thanks for the perspective.
PitA
Posts: 311
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Perhaps you could offer to pay for the new plants themselves and to have the HOA's landscaper install same ?

! honey vs vinegar principle !
JohnW38 (Florida)
Posts: 5
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Posted By PitA on 05/19/2015 2:21 PM
Perhaps you could offer to pay for the new plants themselves and to have the HOA's landscaper install same ?

! honey vs vinegar principle !

Well, there is more to the story. HOA is also trying to say that we can't plant anything since the maintenance contract is for the bare sod as-is (trees will add to cost of maintenance). Sadly, some of the homeowners on the street didn't lose all their trees (somehow they had a different variety originally). Somehow, the maintenance contract covers the cost of mowing around those trees..
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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First, i can imagine that your views are pretty bad now compared to previously. That's a shame!

But many here offer good ideas including seeing if the Board will plant new materials that you purchase or you & neighbors who've seen a similar massacre.

While you may have a legal way to fix this, working together with your neighbors & the Board should be cheaper & more pleasant for all.
JohnW38 (Florida)
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Posted By KerryL1 on 05/19/2015 2:37 PM
First, i can imagine that your views are pretty bad now compared to previously. That's a shame!

But many here offer good ideas including seeing if the Board will plant new materials that you purchase or you & neighbors who've seen a similar massacre.

While you may have a legal way to fix this, working together with your neighbors & the Board should be cheaper & more pleasant for all.

Thanks Kerry! I agree...I'm not vindictive. I simply want resolution and peace.

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