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ElizabethG1 (Florida)
Posts: 26
Posted:
The cable provider in our community wants the HOA to sign a 10 year service agreement.
While they claim it is not an exclusivity agreement, I believe it is. Provisions for delivery of service reads is part "The Association shall not enter into a bulk services agreement with another service provider to provide services similar to the Services during the term of this Agreement regardless of the method used to deliver such services to the Premises." They are offering monetary compensation to the HOA for signing.

They have also included a "Confidentiality" clause in the agreement.

Cost for service is borne by the individual home owner (this is a town house community). No bulk rate pricing for services are being offered.

The property is located in Florida.

Is this an exclusivity agreement or not; is proposed agreement in violation of FCC rules and regulations?

A response would be much appreciated.

RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 163
Posted:
I have negotiated several bulk contracts in which the Boards have voted to accept. The difference being, they adhered to the Bylaws as far as lengths of contracts extending over one year, the cost was shared by the homeowners equally as part of their assessments and there was a substantial discount to the homeowner. The terms were three and five years.

IMO, I wouldn't touch this with a ten foot pole. No discount to the homeowner, ten years for what, the monetary incentive to the HOA would be taxable income.
PitA
Posts: 311
Posted:
ditto
ElizabethG1 (Florida)
Posts: 26
Posted:
Thank you for responding. I agree with you.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By ElizabethG1 on 05/09/2015 1:33 PM
Thank you for responding. I agree with you.

Is this an exclusivity agreement or not? It says no other bulk provider for 10 years. I say one could get there own provider in addition.

Is proposed agreement in violation of FCC rules and regulations? I seriously doubt it is.

If you do not like the deal then go after why you do not like it versus play lawyer.

As to if it is a good deal or not, I do not know as there are no figures.

ElizabethG1 (Florida)
Posts: 26
Posted:
I feel this agreement would discourage other providers from wanting to invest their capital in the development. Other than the current cable provider, the only other option is a satellite dish.

To the best of my knowledge, they have been advised that a 10 year agreement was not do-able. The compensation being offered for the 10 years is $60,200. I understand there is a counter offer by the HOA - $100,000 for 10 years; $40,000 for 5 years. IMO, with technology improving everyday, 10 years would be crazy.

I should also add, the service provider currently has 75% of the community. Than again, the owners really didn't have a choice. This is a fairly new community and the developer made the original agreement with the service provider. The development just transitioned over to the owners this year.
AaronJ (California)
Posts: 48
Posted:
Richard,

You mention the length of the contract being three and five years. Our Bylaws prevent the Board from entering any contract for longer than one year unless it is a regulated utility, which cable is not.

Were you able to get a quorum of the membership to vote and approve the 3-5 year term? What are the disadvantages if any to these contracts. They do offer a pretty substantial cost saving to the residents.
WillR2 (Colorado)
Posts: 29
Posted:
We went through this a few years ago with a bulk provider. My guess it is the same one. We are so glad we did not do it. In the industry, 10 years is a lifetime with all the changes going on. Also, the agreement was very vague. For us in a high-rise, they said they would rewire and so forth, but would not provide any specs on the work, who would do it, speed and so forth. They would also not guarantee their customer satisfaction and their service was rated poor consistently. The sales folks are totally divorced from service and installation. By searching the internet, I found where in another part of the country, five years was being offered and with better terms - cash also. As I recall, the agreement was legal since while it prevented the Association from entering into another bulk agreement, it did not prevent owners from getting their own provider. They ended up offering us cash, five years and we still did not do it. (I was on the Board at the time and I recall asking some of the younger tech savvy owners about this. They don't even have cable anymore but get it all on the internet.) They still come by every year trying to get us to sign up.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 163
Posted:
Aaron,

Our documents also prohibit us from entering into a contract longer than one year, UNLESS, they are regulated by the California PUC, which the cable companies are.

The Association just needs to make sure they are current with the contract and they know of any changes before hand.
ElizabethG1 (Florida)
Posts: 26
Posted:
The service provider has now agreed to a 5 years term with $30.000 compensation. However, the situation gets sticker due to need for the service provider to obtain a grant of easement. Below is copy of email I sent to the service provider. Would appreciate your opinion on this situation.

Email to service provider:
When I spoke with you on May 4th, you acknowledged that the above ground enclosure is on my private property. I will not give "service provider" "gross and right-of-way" to my entire front lawn. The only easement I will consent to is refined to the area where the above ground encasement is currently located, not a inch more. I will not sign any grant of easement until such provisions are made as it pertains to my private property.

I am willing to sign a LIMITED GRANT of EASEMENT that conforms with the above.

The language as stated in your current Grant of Easement reads:

In consideration of One Dollar ($1.00), the Grantor(s), owner(s) of the Premises described below, hereby grant(s) to the Grantee, its successors and assigns, an easement in gross and right-of-way to construct, use, maintain, operate, alter, add to, repair, replace, reconstruct, inspect and remove at any time and from time to time a broadband communications system (hereinafter referred to as the "Company Wiring") consisting of wires, underground conduits, cables, pedestals, vaults, and including but not limited to above ground enclosures, markers and concrete pads or other appurtenant fixtures and equipment necessary or useful for distributing broadband services and other like communications, in, on, over, under, across and along that certain real property (the “Premises”).

WillR2 (Colorado)
Posts: 29
Posted:
It seems you are dealing with easements, a cash payment and a large corporation. An attorney should be consulted who will ensure the Board and the owners are protected. The contract they provide represents their interests. The original contract they provided was changed by the attorney and they could not answer all of her concerns which was also part of why we walked away from the deal.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Elizabeth

It seems you have lost the war on a group service agreement so why keep fighting battles when you know the war was lost?
ElizabethG1 (Florida)
Posts: 26
Posted:
No John, I have not lost the war. The provider will not be able to obtain an agreement
unless there is a grant of easement.

By the way, they were not offering the individual owners any discounts. The lump sum compensation goes to the HOA. Most owners are not even aware of the proposed agreement.
WillR2 (Colorado)
Posts: 29
Posted:
What is a "confidentiality" clause and is it legal in your state to withhold contract details from owners?
ElizabethG1 (Florida)
Posts: 26
Posted:
Apparently they do not want us to reveal terms of the "agreement" to other developments.
Clearly, the homeowners have a right to know details and will be so advised, if and when the BOD votes to accept same.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
Interesting. Can an HOA execute an agreement that binds every member to a confidentiality clause? The members will certainly be entitled to see the contract under FL law. What happens if one of them reveals its details to people not in the HOA?

I would be running away from this deal as fast as I could. Cable companies are not the most ethical entities in the world. Everything the board does should be for the benefit of the members and since there is no discount for the CABLE services in a CABLE provider contract I would be hesitant, regardless of the fact that the lump-sum cash payment can also be considered to be "for the benefit" of the members.

All I know is that if my HOA negotiated a deal in secret that wound up binding me to a non-disclosure clause I had no knowledge of beforehand, I would be a very unhappy camper. Can an HOA even do that?
ElizabethG1 (Florida)
Posts: 26
Posted:
I could not agree with you more. I am on the Board and have been a thorn in their side.
Especially with the grant of easement. The proposal was discussed at our last board meeting and a majority of the Board was ready to accept the proposal. Before the could vote on same, I insisted on reading the language contained in the easement grant. This easement does not affect all the homeowners, but felt they had a right to know.

I have advised the service provider that I would NOT sign the Grant of Easement giving them "easement in gross and right-of-way..." on my private property.

The only reason to accept this proposal is due to the fact that they already provide service to approximately 70% of the community. However, unless they make the changes I require, they will never get my approval. I don't think the Board will be able to accept this proposal until all affected homeowners agree to said easement grant. The Board has no authority to grant easement on any one's private property.

As for the "confidentiality clause" I can not imagine how they would be able to stop the owners from discussing it with people not in the HOA or others communities.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Elizabeth

Why am I of the opinion that if the BOD accepts a deal from the cable company that you will still personally try and hold it up?
ElizabethG1 (Florida)
Posts: 26
Posted:
I will not give the cable company "gross" easement to my property, to do whatever they want to. Would you allow them to do whatever they want to your front lawn?
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Elizabeth

Having switched cable several times the worst they ever did to my lawn was ditch witch or vertically drill. It was never "ripped" up and when done it was hard to notice what they.

I believe your concern about then "ripping" your lawn up is a smoke screen for you to try and control the project if you are out voted on it going forward. Kind of like the kid who takes the only baseball home when he did not like who was chosen.

ElizabethG1 (Florida)
Posts: 26
Posted:
I agree, there is a 99% chance that they will not damage my front lawn. But there is that 1% possibility. I am not denying them excess, however, I will restrict them to the area they currently have access to. I am more than willing to sign a LIMITED grant of easement.

I am also of the belief that the Board does not have the authority to dictate to owners who should have easement on their private property. I feel the Board has an obligation to inform the owners first of this grant of easement.

I am not trying to control the project, if fact I want the service provider's money. Finally, the Board can vote to approve it anytime they want to. I have suggested several times that they do just that.

It is the service provider who is attempting to control things.

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