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KjM (Arizona)
Posts: 3
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For months now, a large feral cat has been coming onto my porch and backyard to violently attack my neutered housecat. Last night it came into my backyard and try to go attack me. I contacted my HOA and told me of a service and they it would cost me $185.00 to have them come out and trap it. My standing is that this cat is now a threat to people as well, and believe they should in good standing take care of it. Who is correct?
GlenL (Ohio)
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KjM contact your local Animal Control Office.

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KjM (Arizona)
Posts: 3
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They consider they wild animals and they are free to roam. However, after the attack that di fail last night; I will try again. I am afraid.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
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Hoa are not animal control. Call animal control. We have a ferrel cat rescue organization we used for our ferrel cat situation. Which ironically when the kittens were captured most of our members adopted them and tamed them. They became known by our HOA name when people adopted them out. So I can say we now have a group of ferrel cats named after our HOA in happy homes.

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DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
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While I agree that a cat like that can be a problem, I don't see where the HOA comes into play. The HOA documents (CCRs, Convenants, Deed Restrictions, Bylaws, etc. ) define the responsibilities of the association and it's members. Unless they specifically identify animal control as an HOA responsibility, I don't see why it would be.

Options for your specific situation include:
1) contact local government animal control. This may or may not be free, or even available.
2) contact some company to deal with it, and pay for that service.
3) Buy a trap, capture the cat, take it to a local shelter (or just drop it off a few miles away).

Personally, I use option 3, it's the cheapest where I live.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
DouglasK1 (Florida)
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 05/08/2015 12:53 PM
We have a ferrel cat rescue organization we used for our ferrel cat situation.

Feral

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JonD1
Posts: 2,350
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We had a problem years ago and hired a service to trap and remove.

In our opinion they were viewed as a pest control issue on common property and posed a risk to the entire community not your individual property.

Our association covered those costs.

In you had a rat infestation problem would that then be the property owner's issue?

I would appeal again to your board or PM for them to address this in WRITING. Once they have been put on notice should someone or some pet be injured
Liability will be easier to prove.

$185 is not worth the risk of having someone injured.

PitA
Posts: 311
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For months now, a large feral cat has been coming onto my porch and backyard to violently attack my neutered housecat.


You may trap the wild cat and dispose of it as per your local animal control laws.

You may pay to have it trapped and disposed.

As others have stated: NOT AN HOA ISSUE (unless a 'neighbor' is attracting them by feeding which would be covered under the nuisance clause - not the cat, the neighbor - good luck trying to prove).

The HOA is NOT your 'nanny'.

to my main issue: What is your 'housecat' doing outdoors alone unleashed?
AnnH5 (Florida)
Posts: 304
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If the animal is on your property then it isn't within the HOA's domain to provide animal control services. I agree with the post to contact a cat rescue organization to see if they will trap it for you. Some organizations do a trap-neuter-release and also provide a rabies vaccination.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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It is not an HOA issue.
KjM (Arizona)
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Not my nanny....harsh tone. My cat has the right to sit on his porch and his backyard. You are probably one of those that have been feeding it. Wait until it attacks a little dog or child. This is liability here.

Maybe they should be considered sort of nanny...I pay them and they tell us when we have weeds. Don't judge until you have seen the damage done to the sweetest cat ever. Believe it or not the shelters do not take feral cats in.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
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My cat has the right to sit on his porch and his backyard.


Seriously..... anything could attack your cat if you let it outside alone. Want to keep your cat safe? Dont let it outside.

JonD1
Posts: 2,350
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Let me relate to you all our story.

We had residents leave their cats on the property when they moved.

We developed a feral cat issue.

One of our residents was an animal lover and decided he would trap one of these cats and care for it like a kitty cat.

He caught one alright and after some time in the have a heart trap the cat wound down and crawled up in a ball.

The resident decided then was a good time to take kitty out and make friends.

Not hard to figure out what happened next. Kitty was not interested in making new friends.

The cat scratched this idiot all up. Face, neck, arms and hands.

He decided to SUE the association. Seems it WAS an association issue despite HIM trapping what was a wild animal.

And the insurance carrier paid him..............$24,000. And this was years ago.

So best to check with your insurance carrier or a lawyer you trust before you learn the $24,000 lesson.

$24,000 versus $185 simple math to avoid something you could have avoided.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
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Posted By KjM on 05/08/2015 12:23 PM
For months now, a large feral cat has been coming onto my porch and backyard to violently attack my neutered housecat. Last night it came into my backyard and try to go attack me. I contacted my HOA and told me of a service and they it would cost me $185.00 to have them come out and trap it. My standing is that this cat is now a threat to people as well, and believe they should in good standing take care of it. Who is correct?


My wife and I currently have eight cats, most of whom are allowed to go outside. We also have visits from at least three neighboring cats plus one feral male.

The feral male considers your property to be his territory and your cat is a threat to his dominance. If your cat and the feral cat begin fighting, either or both may attack you; never intervene in a cat fight. Keep a bucket of water handy to throw on the intruder.

The $185 fee sounds like a commercial service. The Humane Society or other shelters can refer you to people who will do the job for far less and maybe even free. There are also places, feed stores especially, that will rent you a trap for far less money.

One other thought: Feral cats normally avoid contact with people. If the feral cat is attacking people unprovoked it may be rabid. Contact your county animal control and discuss this issue with them.

BTW, we put food out for the feral male who visits our home. He shows lots of scars from some serious fights yet he gets along just fine with all of our cats, including three neutered males.

PitA
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Feeding a feral cat in my neck-o-the-woods is actually a misdemeanor under CRIMINAL law.

If the cat is being fed it will be almost impossible for a baited trap to be successful.

Feral cats ARE, in fact, public nuisances.

Larry, He may get along with you and yours because of the 'free meals' but he may be wreaking havoc with your neighbors. Shame on you for feeding wild nuisance animals in violation of ordinance.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
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Posted By PitA on 05/08/2015 7:28 PM

Shame on you for feeding wild nuisance animals in violation of ordinance.

Just which law or ordinance would that be?
KerryL1 (California)
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Unless I remember wrong, Larry's HOA property is a lot of acreage in the desert. But perhaps he's talking about his digs in"town"?

I know there are coyotes and other critters near my cousin's home in Orange Co., CA that do carry-off & kill cats & dogs that are left outdoors unattended. He would not dream of leaving his good-sized dog outdoors over night.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
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Posted By KerryL1 on 05/08/2015 9:36 PM
Unless I remember wrong, Larry's HOA property is a lot of acreage in the desert. But perhaps he's talking about his digs in"town"?

I know there are coyotes and other critters near my cousin's home in Orange Co., CA that do carry-off & kill cats & dogs that are left outdoors unattended. He would not dream of leaving his good-sized dog outdoors over night.


I was, in fact, writing about my home in Phoenix. I would be reluctant to let a cat outdoors any time of the day or night at the ranch but some of my neighbors do just that. While everyone in the rural areas knows about coyotes and mountain lions, many fail to realize that owls, hawks, and other birds of prey are just as dangerous for a cat.

LarryB13 (Arizona)
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Posted By KerryL1 on 05/08/2015 9:36 PM
Unless I remember wrong, Larry's HOA property is a lot of acreage in the desert.


Just for the record, my HOA property is not desert. It sits at an elevation of 5200 feet and would be classified as a mountain temperate climate. The place gets plenty of rain and snow to feed all the trees and the grass in the meadow. The deer play in the trees and the antelopes play in the meadows.

CyrstalB (Maryland)
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Posted By KjM on 05/08/2015 12:23 PM
For months now, a large feral cat has been coming onto my porch and backyard to violently attack my neutered housecat. Last night it came into my backyard and try to go attack me. I contacted my HOA and told me of a service and they it would cost me $185.00 to have them come out and trap it. My standing is that this cat is now a threat to people as well, and believe they should in good standing take care of it. Who is correct?

Why did you wait for it to attack you if it has been violently attacking your cat for months? Someone should call animal control on you for allowing your cat to be attacked for months. And if it did in fact attack you, then animal control would be required to take care of it.
PitA
Posts: 311
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Pam Kalish quietly reaches down to check the bait at the back of a trap.

"No cats," she says as she begins to scoop more tuna into a dish inside the rusted wire cage.

Suddenly, she is interrupted as the door on a nearby trap snaps shut and a sheet covering the crate begins to shake.

"We got one!" Kalish shouts. "He just went in. Did you hear that?"

Under the sheet, a frazzled kitten with shabby white and orange fur is lurching at the metal container. "It's a little guy," Kalish says.

She moves the cage out of sight and uses a flashlight to continue checking traps in a dark field near a Phoenix trailer park.

By the end of the night, Kalish and another volunteer from the Animal Defense League of Arizona caught 22 feral cats that will be sterilized and released back into the area near Baseline Road and 19th Avenue.

While it's not a perfect remedy, animal advocates are pushing the "Trap, Neuter, Return," program as the only humane solution to combat the Valley's growing feral-cat problem.

Experts estimate there are as many as 200,000 feral cats across the Valley, and those who work with them say the situation is getting worse. As Valley foreclosures increased, many residents left their pets behind.

"These cats just don't come out of nowhere . . . there's a lot of abandonment," said Kalish, a retired electrical engineer who traps cats several nights a week.

The problem is compounded by a lack of action by cities and by the county. Although leash laws call for Maricopa County Animal Care and Control and cities to pick up stray dogs, they don't say anything about cats, said agency spokeswoman Aprille Hollis.

"The problem is there are no state or county laws about stray cats," she said.

For $96, Animal Care and Control will impound and euthanize cats that are brought in, but Hollis said the agency encourages residents to use Trap, Neuter, Return, or TNR programs offered by the Animal Defense League of Arizona and another group called Altered Tails.

The groups generally ask volunteers to borrow traps, catch the cats and bring them into a sterilization clinic. But for some, the idea of releasing sterilized cats back into neighborhoods isn't a solution.

Since a neighbor began leaving food and water for stray cats, Marlene Barber of east Mesa said her yard has become a giant litter box, and she's overwhelmed by the stench. Barber estimates at least 30 feral cats have moved onto her block near Greenfield Road and Southern Avenue.

The city and county refuse to help, saying it's an issue for the homeowners association. And the Sunland Village HOA, won't take action against the man who feeds the cats, she said.

"Frankly, I think they need to be trapped and humanely euthanized," Barber said. "Everywhere we've turned for help, we're not getting anything."

TNR advocates say euthanizing is too expensive and will simply leave a void for another colony of feral cats to fill.

"It's going to cost buckets of money and it's not going to work," said Stephanie Nichols-Young, president of the Animal Defense League of Arizona.

Sterilizing the cats will also moderate some of their behaviors, causing them to roam less and not yowl or spray their territory, Nichols-Young said.

Nichols-Young said TNR is becoming more accepted as the only humane and effective solution to the feral-cat problem.

Since 2000, the number of feral cats captured and sterilized in the Valley has jumped nearly 1,000 percent, from 1,200 to over 13,000 last year, according to numbers from the Animal Defense League.

The numbers point to the need to change leash laws to include cats and allow the county and cities to act, some neighbors and animal-rights advocates say. Hollis said she thinks there would be widespread support based on the number of complaints Animal Care and Control receives.

And some advocates for TNR fear that unless government takes action or the economy improves, the Valley's feral-cat population will continue to grow exponentially.

"The problem is probably going to grow so much . . . we may have to write our Legislature," said Linda Baumgardner, director of Altered Tails' TNR program.

But even if Animal Care and Control picked up feral cats, Hollis said, the department doesn't have the resources to do the job.

In the end, Nichols-Young said it's up to residents to solve the problem, and sterilize the cats some neighbors will inevitably feed{/u].
PitA
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Thank the creator there ARE laws about feral cats in Horry County, SC
SheliaH (Indiana)
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In Indianapolis, people who insist in feeding feral cats are also required to have them registered with an organization called IndyFeral, who can also spayed/neuter the thing, ear tip them for identification and provide the vaccinations (all of which is also required by the city if you’re feeding them.) If there’s a similar organization in your community, you may want to talk to them and get some suggestions on how to address this problem – or at least send the neighbor a copy of their literature. Here’s a link to their low cost spay/neuter website that has more information on the topic:
http://facespayneuter.org/indyferal/

For those of you who let your cats roam outside, congratulations if there haven’t been any incidents, but according to petfinder.com, it’s better to keep a cat indoors because:

• They can’t bring in ticks and fleas (which can then bite people – Lyme disease, anyone?)
• They can’t get into fights with other wildlife (such as the cat that started this conversation). Don’t forget about skunks, raccoons or other critters (some of which might eat them)
• They’ll be healthier and live longer

Petfinders recommends if you want to bring the cat outside, it’s best to harness train them so you can walk them or build them an enclosure where they can enjoy the outdoors and not roam (I see a lot of that on the Animal Planet show My Cat from Hell)

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
GenoS (Florida)
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Posted By SheliaH on 05/11/2015 4:16 AM
Petfinders recommends if you want to bring the cat outside, it’s best to harness train them so you can walk them or build them an enclosure where they can enjoy the outdoors and not roam (I see a lot of that on the Animal Planet show My Cat from Hell)

Yeah, like that works. We adopted a cat a few years ago after his owner up and left him behind. We had a large colony of feral cats living nearby at the time. Ours is fixed, but he still did a good job keeping the ferals away from "his territory".

Trap - Neuter - Return is a big thing. Google it. There's nothing else proven to be effective.

As for Jackson Galaxy's harness recommendation... yeah. Did you see the episode last week when he just puts the harness on the big cat and takes him outside for a stroll? LOL he must have drugged the cat first. We got one for our cat and he hates it. Refuses to stand up when it's on him, never mind walk, never mind walk where you want him to go. We're still trying several times a week but we're not optimistic. He used to love going outside before we moved. He may be safer and healthier with us keeping him inside, but he's not happier.

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