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EvanC (California)
Posts: 3
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About a year and a half ago while I was on the Board of my HOA, I found out the HOA was suspended by CA for not filing a prior tax return and not filing a statement of information. Because the suspension was not rectified timely, the HOA had their tax exempt status revoked by CA back in 2012, which was before I moved into the complex. I recently resigned from the Board after 1 1/2 years of service due to conflict with our President and time constraints. The suspension has still not been rectified to date.

Our annual homeowners meeting is approaching, and I'm wondering if I have a right to disclose the suspension to the homeowners. It is public record; anybody can find it by searching the CA Secretary of State website. Since we are self-managed, I'm hoping disclosing the suspension will make the other homeowners realize what a poor job our current President and Board are doing managing our affairs. In addition to the suspension, our budget is prepared late annually (we don't receive it until February at the earliest), a reserve study was not done for 8+ years until 2013 but it was never updated for 2014, and monthly meeting locations and agendas are either posted the day of the meeting or not posted at all.

Aside from disdain from Board member neighbors, any downside to disclosing the suspension to the homeowners?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
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Posted By EvanC on 05/07/2015 1:55 PM

Aside from disdain from Board member neighbors, any downside to disclosing the suspension to the homeowners?

Yes. There are always unintended consequences with every decision. One of those may be that since you left in the middle of a term, you will likely be labeled a dissenter by other board members and that may be the only message your membership hears. Keep in mind, one individual likely did not cause the issue. The whole Board is responsible for the issue.

While you were on the Board, what steps did you take to resolve the issue? Did you offer to do the required work to be reinstated? Did you propose a plan of things that were required to be reinstated?

What did you do to prevent the issue from happening again? Did you create a yearly calendar of events for the Board to follow and ensure specific tasks were completed? Did you propose new policies to correct the issue that caused this in the first place?

If none, then you are as responsible for the issue as those who are still serving.

Instead of choosing to disclose the information, why not offer to help resolve the issue?

You very clearly stated that the purpose of disclosing this issue to the membership isn't to resolve the issue but to "get back" at the individual with whom you had disagreements and, perhaps, personality conflicts with. That, in my opinion, is the biggest issue with disclosing this information.

If you want to recall or have the individual not reelected, the fact that you chose to quit serving while that individual is still serving does not put you in the best light to launch such a campaign. You would have had more of an impact with such a campaign had you remained on the Board (at least in my opinion). However, if you want to recall that individual, then simply follow the procedures required to do so.

PitA
Posts: 311
Posted:
The HOA was NOT suspended.

The incorporated STATUS was suspended.

Y'all (the membership of the HOA) now are PERSONALLY liable regarding any actions in the courts against the HOA.

Y'all lost your 'corporate shield' protecting your homes and other assets.

Best to reincorporate ASAP.

Check with your attorney if you do not understand / believe me.

BEST OF LUCK
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
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Posted By PitA on 05/07/2015 2:19 PM
The HOA was NOT suspended.

The incorporated STATUS was suspended.

Well suspended and administratively dissolved are two different things.

Additionally, either one can easily be fixed by filing the annual reports and paying a fee.

One thing that wasn't mentioned was if the issue was ever resolved. If it was, then there is no longer an issue except to make sure it doesn't happen again.

The OP also mentioned tax-exempt status. I don't know if property taxes for HOA's in CA are tied to corporation OR if the OP mistakenly believes that all non-profits are tax exempt. In rereading the posting, I'm starting to believe that it is the latter.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
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Posted By PitA on 05/07/2015 2:19 PM
The HOA was NOT suspended.

The incorporated STATUS was suspended.

Y'all (the membership of the HOA) now are PERSONALLY liable regarding any actions in the courts against the HOA.

Y'all lost your 'corporate shield' protecting your homes and other assets.

Best to reincorporate ASAP.

Check with your attorney if you do not understand / believe me.

BEST OF LUCK


No. Suspension means that the corporation cannot continue to do business as usual. It has no power to levy or collect any assessments that became due after the date of suspension and it has no power to foreclose. The corporate structure is still there and normally the board is supposed to wind down the affairs of the corporation if they choose not to seek reinstatement, which is usually a matter of filing forms and paying fees.

Evan, I would say go ahead with making the shortcomings of the board public. Regardless of how the rest of the owners react, the board has not done its job. You questioned whether you have a right to disclose the suspension. Since this is a material fact that concerns all members I would think you have a duty to disclose this information.
EvanC (California)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Thanks for your input Tim, you have some good points. I'm actually a CPA, and finding out about the suspension (which occurred prior to my residing in the complex or being on the Board) caused a conflict of interest. The suspension could lead to a shift in liability, and ethically I could not perform the tasks associated with remedying the suspension pro bono. If I had, I could be held personally liable as the work of correcting the suspension would be done outside the scope of my professional liability insurance. The HOA never contracted with my firm to correct the suspension.

I did provide instructions on what steps needed to be taken to correct the suspension, however I did not volunteer to perform the work due to the issues stated above. Ultimately, I suggested the Board hire an attorney or CPA who specializes in HOA's to remedy the situation. Initially, the Board did not want to spend the money and the President took it upon herself to resolve the issue. Once she realized it was beyond her scope, the Board contracted with a CPA (via an informal e-mail vote which I was not included on) to perform the work. That was back in October, and we were told it would take 6 weeks to resolve. While on the Board, I followed up with our President monthly on the progress, and she kept saying the firm contracted was working on it. It's been 6 months, and no resolution or explanation as to why.

My resignation, while it may look poor on the surface, was not without some good intention. We have a newer resident who has prior experience in condominium property management, and he narrowly missed out on being elected at our last annual meeting. The Board sought out his expertise while reviewing roofing contractors, and I felt he could bring some much needed experience since we are self-managed. I suggested the Board have him take my place upon my resignation, and they agreed. I have no desire to do property management, and my intention for being on the Board was to assist with financial planning. Ultimately I felt I could not do that while the HOA was suspended.

I guess it's probably best to refrain from disclosing the suspension at this time. Instead I should probably just followup on the matter at the monthly meetings, which are sparsely attended by residents.

Thanks for your insight.

EvanC (California)
Posts: 3
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Posted By TimB4 on 05/07/2015 2:25 PM
Posted By PitA on 05/07/2015 2:19 PM
The HOA was NOT suspended.

The incorporated STATUS was suspended.


The OP also mentioned tax-exempt status. I don't know if property taxes for HOA's in CA are tied to corporation OR if the OP mistakenly believes that all non-profits are tax exempt. In rereading the posting, I'm starting to believe that it is the latter.

The HOA is a tax-exempt corporation for California income tax purposes. CA has a minimum $800 tax, which is waived for tax-exempt entities. Because the suspension was not rectified timely, the tax-exempt status was revoked back in 2012. When the tax-exempt status is revoked, the HOA is liable for the minimum $800 tax annually, is not able to extend their income tax return, and are then subject to late filing and late payment penalties. (late payment penalties because the $800 was never paid; late filing penalties because the return was filed after the original due date because the extension was invalid).

The suspension was for two reasons. They were suspended by the Secretary of State for not filing their statement of information. That was resolved once an updated statement of information was filed back in June. They were also suspended by the Franchise Tax Board for not filing a 2008 tax return. A copy of the 2008 return was located, but no proof of filing was retained.
PitA
Posts: 311
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Makes me think of: AA

(not alcoholics, but orifices)

ps. Tim, delete if indicated
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
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Posted By EvanC on 05/07/2015 2:59 PM
A copy of the 2008 return was located, but no proof of filing was retained.


Having lived for two years in that Paradise-on-Earth called California, I see no reason why anyone would need to keep proof of filing. The Golden State, operating like the proverbial well-oiled machine, would never misplace a tax return. It just cannot happen. Even if you had proof of filing, I doubt that those well-trained folks at the Franchise Tax Board would believe it because if their records show it was not filed then the only possible conclusion is that the proof of filing must be a forgery.

GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
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Wouldn't non-disclosure be considered a breach of fiduciary duty? If I bought into an HOA thinking there was a duly constituted corporation in control, and later found out there was none, and that that fact had been wilfully withheld from me.... isn't that the very definition of fraud? Maybe California is different.
BobD4 (up north)
Posts: 1,002
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EvanC (Cal)

I believe you have done both the correct thing and the smart thing. Meeting your state’s professional standards, is a lot more important than some HOA service.

It is time to let go quietly.

The very fact that the Board has moved – even incompetently or ineffectually so far- to try to address the corporate suspension & loss of tax exemption, suggests that you (and maybe others) were an adequate factor of some sort.

Were I in your shoes I would want to have tried to make sure that the Board Minutes recorded my specific concerns & recommendations about the suspension/exposure.

And particularly where Minutes are notoriously minimal I would have wanted such remedy cited & encouraged within my resignation letter as circulated to every Director, and referenced as appendixed within the Minutes of the BoD meeting that accepted the resignation.

Some of those who bring professional skillsets to a HOA, may regret stepping forward to serve. Your advice at least got a hearing.

One youthful condo President’s hardball shenanigans as President, later almost kept him out of the legal profession, and may have crippled him professionally for life.

One new owner / recently retired management accountant circulated ‘helpful Reserve Funding comments’ to all owners after quickly discovering the usual. A bizarre minor interaction soon led to him being defamed by the Board in a crime notice to all owners, triggering his sale and later voyage into qualified defamation defences.

It is time to let go quietly. Hope you got thanked for your professionalism.

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