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JoeyjoejoeJ (Washington)
Posts: 2
Posted:
I looked at property (vacant land) last week that looked beautiful. The property is in a community that has an HOA with some CC&Rs. I have never lived in such a community bound by covenants, so I had a few questions.

1) The developer has only sold 2 parcels out of 20 in the development in over 8 years. The CCRs require a minimum 1400 sq. ft. dwelling to be built, way larger than I am looking for. I am wondering if it would make sense for me to try to get a variance from the CCRs written into my P&S if I make an offer. I figure the developer and HOA might be motivated to do that if it would help a sale along. Is this possible, advisable, or even legal?

2) The CCRs have language that provides for HOA governance of basically everything you do to the outside of your property, including landscaping, etc. I'm wondering how much of the minutiae that HOAs typically get into when looking at changes in that regard. For example if I were to put in a 8'x4' vegetable garden out of view of any neighbors and the main road, would they HOA typically care? If I cut some brush to free up open space would they HOA care?

I get that the CCRs exist to maintain the character of the community (I've seen other communities without CCRs that have random trashed out automobiles parked everywhere, half broken trailers, etc). But I am worried that a 'clique' of HOA directors could prevent me from making very reasonable beautifying improvements to my property if they don't like them or don't like me for whatever reason.
JoeyjoejoeJ (Washington)
Posts: 2
Posted:
By the way these parcels are 20 acre lots.
MarkM31 (Washington)
Posts: 556
Posted:
With 20 acres, the PITA from a HOA is probably not worth it. People buy large lots to do what they want
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
#1 You can ask, the most the Declarant can do is say no but you may be shooting yourself in the foot in the long run. When it comes time to sell,, who would want a small footprint home on 20 acres?

#2 This is a distinct possibility, over the years we have seen Boards use Google earth to look for violations, heck I even remember a HOA in Texas that hired a helicopter to prove a violation that couldn't be seen any other way. As far as cutting brush back, before you do, make sure it isn't the protected habitat of some creature you never heard of before. HOA fines are nothing next to messing up some kangaroo rat's domicile or is it the spotted owl in your neck of the woods?

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PitA
Posts: 311
Posted:
I have never lived in such a community bound by covenants, so I had a few questions.


Covenants = Contract

plan to either:

adhere to terms set forth

or

do NOT buy

ps. not everyone is a good match with HOA life
FredS7 (Arizona)
Posts: 927
Posted:
> I am wondering if it would make sense for me to try to get a variance from the CCRs written into my P&S if I make an offer.

Possible. The developer has considerable flexibility to modify the documents. He could also allow your neighbor to have a chicken farm. Think about it.

> I'm wondering how much of the minutiae that HOAs typically get into when looking at changes in that regard.

Impossible to say until the association comes under resident control.

> With 20 acres, the PITA from a HOA is probably not worth it.

Umm, maybe there is a need for roads? Or water? Or sewage treatment?

The fact that very few parcels have been developed in 8 years is a significant red flag. The development may not be at all viable and the developer may sell, go bankrupt, etc.

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I don't think your HOA material for this purchase. Honestly, your hurting yourself with the variance and wanting to build a smaller house. A HOA does NOT keep or maintain home values. Home values are based on real numbers. Those are what homes of similar size and features sell for in a few mile radius. This is to include foreclosures in the last 6 months.

By you not building a 1400 square foot home with your neighbors/fellow members, your hurting your home value. Plus maybe theirs. The developer will probably not go for a smaller home knowing this. It's why they instituted the standard in the first place. A 1400 foot home selling for $200K and you want to sell yours a $200K less than 1400 foot home ain't going to happen. Your neighbors most likely won't be happy as you will have to price your house for less.


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JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Joey

For many reasons (theirs and yours), I suggest you pass on this property and move on down the road looking for non-HOA land.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Joey,

I own a 40-acre rural parcel with virtually no restrictions on what I may do. We have an HOA but its primary purpose is to maintain our roads. In the few instances where one owner complains about another's use of his land, the HOA almost always refers the complaining party to the county zoning office. Yes, we have some trashed-out parcels but they are few in number and hard to see from the road.

With that in mind I cannot fathom why anyone would even think about buying into a development of large lots with a bunch of restrictions. The threat of vindictive board members is always present in any HOA and the CC&R's you describe just gives them license to make your life miserable.

One of the other lessons I have learned from this forum is that buying into an unfinished development is extremely risky. The developer is not having much success if he has sold only 2 of 20 lots in 8 years. At that rate it will take another 72 years to sell the remaining 18 lots. What happens to this project if the developer dies tomorrow? Or files for bankruptcy? Or just sells out to another developer who does not share the same vision?

Bottom line: Forget this one and look elsewhere.

CyrstalB (Maryland)
Posts: 457
Posted:
It's good that you asked in advance, and I will thank you on behalf of the people who may decide to buy in that development in the future because an HOA is not just about what you want. Everyone that buys agrees to the same rules and regs and it would seem that you do not want to be one of them if you are already looking on how to get the heck around them.

You should look elsewhere to build your small home.

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