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RonW7 (Ohio)
Posts: 122
Posted:
I am questioning whether or not we're paying Allstate too much for our insurance which is $8,100 a year to insure 5 buildings with 4 units a piece for a total of 20 units. What company do all of you use and what does your policy premium average out to on a per-unit basis? I'll see if they do business in my state and see if they can do better.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Ron

The rates can vary quite a bit. I believe AllState cannot write insurance of any kind in MA. My best advice is check locally.
PitA
Posts: 311
Posted:
$405 per unit per year ~ 33.75/mo ~ $1.13 per day (rounded up)

coffee money

SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Every state is different as to which companies insure HOA/Commercial, etc.. Call around to insurance carriers in your phone book to see if they offer coverage.

My advice? To get the best competitive rate, one must get quotes and change insurance carriers about every 3 years.
ChrisP5 (Missouri)
Posts: 165
Posted:
We shop our coverage every couple of years to multiple carriers, we consistently get the best rates from our current company but it allows us to tell our members that we are working to keep their costs as low as possible. Reach out to an independent insurance agent with your details and they can get you multiple quotes. Since you are insuring multiple buildings you will want to check to see how deductibles are handled. Our carrier treats a claim for multiple buildings (i.e. hail, wind damage, etc.) as one deductible, many carriers assess this on a per building basis. We have 41 buildings which makes the deductible treatment a major decision point for us.
RonW7 (Ohio)
Posts: 122
Posted:
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Posted By PitA on 4/25/2015 8:25:19 AM

$405 per unit per year ~ 33.75/mo ~ $1.13 per day (rounded up)

coffee money


Anything's coffee money when you break it down into cost per day. However, if you look at it from a monthly perspective (which is what most people do), $8,100 / 12 months / 20 units = $33.75/mo. Suddenly, it's no longer coffee money.

I've worked in the P&C industry for over nine years between sales and customer service and I have literally cut people's insurance rates by well over half because their current carrier's rates are simply too high in their state. It may be that our company has very high rates in Ohio, but another carrier could have really good rates. Therefore, it's conceivable that some other carrier could take our rate from $8,100 annually down to $6,000 which is $25/mo, an $8 monthly savings.

This is why I am asking about everyone's carriers. They may not do commercial property insurance in my state, but I'd never know that unless I ask. It'd serve as a good reference guide of what countrywide insurance companies sell commercial insurance because some only do personal/residential.
PitA
Posts: 311
Posted:
Ron,

One can generally find a cheaper rate with a 'lower rated' company.

Case in point from SC:

W$%^&@maw insurance sold 'all peril' including named storm for about 65% of State F$%^m's premium.

SF has 27 billion in reserves to pay out in the event of a major loss.

WM had 17 million and went 'belly up' after ONE storm leaving claims unpaid and many uninsured (and uninsurable).

To a certain extent, even with insurance, one gets what one pays for.

When 'shopping' take the AM Best rating into account (as well as others which I can't name from memory).

RonW7 (Ohio)
Posts: 122
Posted:
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Posted By PitA on 4/26/2015 8:43:16 AM

To a certain extent, even with insurance, one gets what one pays for.


While largely true with most products or services, you can't always gauge the quality of an insurance company by its rate. Case in point here: Allstate's California automobile premiums are up to four times higher than MetLife's. I loved quoting CA policies, especially when the caller was with Allstate because it was an instant sale. However, on the other side of the country in New York, MetLife can't even come close to competing with Allstate (or any company for that matter) because MetLife's rates are ridiculously high on the East coast, especially New York. I would laugh on the phone with New Yorkers all the time after I told them what we wanted to charge them.

The same applies to dwelling policies (house, condo, renters, etc).

Anyway, the whole purpose of this post is to find out which companies sell commercial home insurance so that I can contact them.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
It pays to get bids from several insurance companies. Ten years ago we took over management of an HOA. One of the ways we helped them cut costs was by advising them to change to a better insurance company. Their insurance cost was reduced over 400% while increasing their coverage. The Treasurer was restistent; he argued "you get what you pay for" and "insurance is regulated by the state". He finally gave in after being proven wrong on both misconceptions.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
Roger, it sounds like you did a good job. Kudos to you. But how on earth can a cost be reduced by 400%? After a 100% reduction you're paying nothing, regardless of the actual number, no?
JimR24 (Texas)
Posts: 399
Posted:
Yes, after going through what we experienced this year, i would certainly agree that going out for quotes from insurance companies is the thing to do.

We received 5 quotes this year and, we feel, were able to get better coverage for less money. We ended up going with Nationwide Insurance Company. Hoping it works out for us. Time will tell.

By the way, the one thing i noticed was the WIDE variation of the quotes - all according to the same specs we wrote. We are now paying about $46K for all our coverages. Two of the quotes were in the $60K-$70K range...yikes!

Am looking forward to hearing what others are saying about coverages for homeowner's associations. Sure is lots to learn here. :-)

oljim, in texas

Lovin' life with my honey!
and, President of HOA in Texas

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