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EW4 (West Virginia)
Posts: 95
Posted:
A board director who chairs the following individual committees A/R, Compliance, Welcoming, Nominations, one that is exploring legal changes and he is angling to be the face of the community with an outside HOA organization declares, “Committees are not responsible to the board!” He continues, “Committees may if they choose to inform the board of their actions and decisions but there is no obligation.”

Sadly the majority of the board just accepted the proclamation. No vote, no comment, they just sat in silence.
Self managed community, governing docs don't support this. Is the community on a path for success?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
EW,

Who is in charge? It's not the Committee and it's not the Board. The membership is in charge.

The membership elects individuals to serve on the Board and make decisions on behalf of the membership. The membership has the option, if they choose, to replace those who serve and even make changes to the rules that they all agreed to live by.

The Board, who is making decisions on behalf of the membership, appoints individuals as Officers and Committee members to implement the decisions made on behalf of the membership.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
I do not disagree with Tim but generally committee's are appointed by and serve at the pleasure of the BOD.

I was on the elected BOD of a fraternal organization that had a rogue committee chair go off making decisions that were the BOD's to make. We removed him from the committee. He ran for the BOD and made an issue of it. He finished dead last and did not get elected as many said, the BOD is elected and they rule.

EW4 (West Virginia)
Posts: 95
Posted:
Tim and John,

I agree with both on your comments. It's almost like you were at the meeting when this proclamation was made. I was the one lone director who challenged this. I brought up the point about the membership. I also asked him two questions: 1. Who controls the budgets for the committees? 2. Who is responsible if a committee (by extension him b/c in some cases he is a committee of one) makes a mistake? In both cases he said the board. So he wants to enjoy all of the power and none of the responsibility.
At some point the membership hopefully see this for what it is.
DavidW5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 565
Posted:
First a clarification: I am speaking of committees of association members appointed by the Board, not a committee (or subcommittee) made up of members of the Board.

All standing committees should have a written charter (written and approved by the Board) which makes clear the committee's responsibilities and relationships. All such charters I have seen state that the Board appoints the members of the committee and that the members serve at the pleasure of the Board. Charters also generally state that the committees function as advisers to the Board and have no decision making authority.
EW4 (West Virginia)
Posts: 95
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By DavidW5 on 04/17/2015 6:36 AM
First a clarification: I am speaking of committees of association members appointed by the Board, not a committee (or subcommittee) made up of members of the Board.

All standing committees should have a written charter (written and approved by the Board) which makes clear the committee's responsibilities and relationships. All such charters I have seen state that the Board appoints the members of the committee and that the members serve at the pleasure of the Board. Charters also generally state that the committees function as advisers to the Board and have no decision making authority.

David,
Could not agree more. Two of the committees listed at the start a/r and nominations have charters. There are two others that have charters as well and this guy is not on those. All four of those are defined in our governing docs. The board can create others as needed.

Welcoming, and more importantly Compliance don't have charters. I have pointed that out, a former board member as well. No luck. The legal committee is just board members although it is 95% this guy. No guidelines on that other than get UCIOA implemented, that is being run like the rest.

It is hard to have a committee without a stated purpose.
CharlesB20 (Colorado)
Posts: 15
Posted:
EW4,

Does your association have a management company-- a manager? If so, the manager should remind the board that the purpose of a committee is to serve in an ADVISORY role to the executive board. (The board is never under obligation to accept or be ruled by the recommendations of a committee; however, the board should be willing to CONSIDER committee recommendations.) Never should a committee be granted such broad latitude in terms of autonomy and authority that is may act on behalf of, or instead of, the executive board. Moreover, even if a committee's charter explicitly states that the committee has such authority, that in itself would be considered a technical conflict with the authority of the executive board, because the board cannot shirk or otherwise ignore its fiduciary responsibilities by attempting to grant such authority to a committee.

Perhaps yours is a self-managed association-- (but perhaps not). In any case, the executive board must seek professional guidance in this matter from either an association manager who holds professional credentials, or from competent legal counsel (which means counsel whose area of expertise is HOA-related law). Your executive board has unwisely allowed committees-- or as in this instance, a single individual who serves on multiple committees-- to usurp the board's authority, or at least to ATTEMPT to take over the board's authority. It's time for the board to emphatically re-assert itself in the governance of your community. If the directors are reluctant to take on the mantle of governance, then the membership should replace the existing board with a new one, a new board who will be willing to dissolve existing committee charters and then start afresh.

Once again we re-visit the age-old questions of authority: Who has authority? How does he or she-- or an entire board or a committee-- get its authority? How is authority transmitted? And what is the scope of that authority? How far does it extend? This is yet another classic example demonstrating that HOA boards need ongoing education to help them understand their proper role in the governance of association affairs.

EW4 (West Virginia)
Posts: 95
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By CharlesB20 on 04/17/2015 8:01 AM
EW4,

Does your association have a management company-- a manager? If so, the manager should remind the board that the purpose of a committee is to serve in an ADVISORY role to the executive board. (The board is never under obligation to accept or be ruled by the recommendations of a committee; however, the board should be willing to CONSIDER committee recommendations.) Never should a committee be granted such broad latitude in terms of autonomy and authority that is may act on behalf of, or instead of, the executive board. Moreover, even if a committee's charter explicitly states that the committee has such authority, that in itself would be considered a technical conflict with the authority of the executive board, because the board cannot shirk or otherwise ignore its fiduciary responsibilities by attempting to grant such authority to a committee.

Perhaps yours is a self-managed association-- (but perhaps not). In any case, the executive board must seek professional guidance in this matter from either an association manager who holds professional credentials, or from competent legal counsel (which means counsel whose area of expertise is HOA-related law). Your executive board has unwisely allowed committees-- or as in this instance, a single individual who serves on multiple committees-- to usurp the board's authority, or at least to ATTEMPT to take over the board's authority. It's time for the board to emphatically re-assert itself in the governance of your community. If the directors are reluctant to take on the mantle of governance, then the membership should replace the existing board with a new one, a new board who will be willing to dissolve existing committee charters and then start afresh.

Once again we re-visit the age-old questions of authority: Who has authority? How does he or she-- or an entire board or a committee-- get its authority? How is authority transmitted? And what is the scope of that authority? How far does it extend? This is yet another classic example demonstrating that HOA boards need ongoing education to help them understand their proper role in the governance of association affairs.


No, we don't have a management company. But as you can see one is needed! Some directors have gone out of there way to scare members about management companies. All done with no real knowledge of the real services a management company can provide.

We do have legal council and guess who the main contact is...this guy. There are 2 others as well but they are on board with this happening.
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,001
Posted:
OP,

you VOLUNTARILLY joined a true democracy

you are now at the mercy of your neighbors

a plurality may change the covenants at their will

WITHOUT you having any inalienable rights regarding the pursuit of liberty or happiness (inside the HOA)

the US Constitution GUARANTEED you the right to contractually waive said rights

next time:

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