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EdwardC1 (Florida)
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Looking for your experiences....

Our HOA publishes a directory of residents that contains names, addresses, phone numbers and email addresses. The secretary of the board emails updated directories and posts them to a limited-access website.

Today, we got the following email from management:
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Subject: Invasion of Privacy

From your Property Manager

The XYZ Homeowner Directory contains private confidential information.

It’s been brought to our attention by many residents that this proprietary information is being used for campaigning purposes.

This is not the purpose of this document and many residents have expressed their displeasure in receiving calls for the purpose of securing votes.

We request refraining from use of this list for political purposes or for any level of solicitation as this is an invasion of privacy.

Thank You!
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In NJ, a recent Supreme Court decision ruled that a board could not ban campaigning.

My question is, has this occurred in your community?

If so, was there a legal ruling made as to whether or not that information is indeed proprietary or not, and whether or not making phone calls is an invasion of privacy.

Thank you.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Edward,
You should have checked with the management company first. In Colorado providing a phone number and email address without the permission of the homeowner is not allowed. Also, with the homeowners permission we also warn the homeowners that information in the directory is Personal and Confidential and can not be used for soliciation or any business purposes.
JerryD5 (Colorado)
Posts: 218
Posted:
First, let me tell you that our original MC did collect this type of information and did put it on a website at one time. However, they removed the information a few years ago. Our new MC has a master list of accounts but we do not display it or allow it to be distributed in anyway. However, I do believe a homeowner can contact the MC and obtain a list of home addresses in our association. It is just the house numbers (which is pretty easy to figure out anyways) but does not come with names. If they are given such home list, they are instructed not to use it for any type of solicitation.

With that said, we did have a homeowner that tried to shame the board for taking some action against her and her husband (he was on the board with me). She put out flyers with our personal phone numbers and email addresses for homeowners to contact us to voice their displeasure in the action we had taken. In addition, she also had a public media release sent out to all the local media (TV, newspaper, radio) outlets with the same personal information. Her husband obviously had access to our information since he was on the board with us and he got it from her.

I would never want my personal information displayed on a website, even it was restricted to other homeowners. Nor do I want access to other homeowner's personal information. Though I do have to say a lot of information is already a matter of public record. I know anyone can access our country tax records (online) and get the homeowner's information (and how much property tax was paid).

TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Edward,

Typically, one member can request a copy of the membership list. Therefore, it's possible that the information would have been available anyway (providing that candidates took the time to ask for it).

The question is, did members/residents have the option to not have their name in a directory?

If not, that was improper and the complaints demonstrates why it is improper. If they did agree to have the info published, then that should not be an issue.

My Association has simply stopped trying to make a directory because voluntary participation dropped off to the point it's simply not worth the effort and expense.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By JerryD5 on 04/07/2015 4:29 PM

However, I do believe a homeowner can contact the MC and obtain a list of home addresses in our association. It is just the house numbers (which is pretty easy to figure out anyways) but does not come with names.

Jerry,

Wouldn't that be in violation of statute?

Names and mailing address (vs. property address) of members would normally be required to be released when requested by a member.
EdwardC1 (Florida)
Posts: 90
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Posted By RogerB on 04/07/2015 4:29 PM
Edward,
You should have checked with the management company first. In Colorado providing a phone number and email address without the permission of the homeowner is not allowed. Also, with the homeowners permission we also warn the homeowners that information in the directory is Personal and Confidential and can not be used for soliciation or any business purposes.
Should have asked them what?

The board creates the directory and has done so for 15 years.

I think perhaps you didn't get my question. :-)
EdwardC1 (Florida)
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Posted By JerryD5 on 04/07/2015 4:29 PM

I would never want my personal information displayed on a website, even it was restricted to other homeowners.
In our case, it's too late for that. Our board has been distributing the directory foe 15 years.
JerryD5 (Colorado)
Posts: 218
Posted:
Tim, what statute are you speaking of? If a homeowner wants a list of the house numbers, they can get it from our MC. But it is strictly just the house number and not the homeowner's name or other personal information. Though a diligent person can just compile their own list by going around the association. They could then go online to our county tax records and find out who is the homeowner.
EdwardC1 (Florida)
Posts: 90
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Posted By TimB4 on 04/07/2015 4:30 PM

The question is, did members/residents have the option to not have their name in a directory?

If not, that was improper and the complaints demonstrates why it is improper. If they did agree to have the info published, then that should not be an issue.

I don't know if they were given a choice or not.

So I think you are agreeing with our property manager, yes?
JerryD5 (Colorado)
Posts: 218
Posted:
Edward, I cant believe that your board actually compiled the information and has done so for 15 years. Our association is only 7 years old and it would be time consuming to keep up with it.
EdwardC1 (Florida)
Posts: 90
Posted:
People! We're getting off-topic.

Please don't post what should have been done and how to get the information in the case where there's no directory. Doesn't help.

The directory has been in existence for 15 years. I haven't heard of any complaints until this one.

My question is, is the manager's point legally valid? Is phoning a resident an invasion of privacy?

My bad! The title of this should not have been "proprietary information" because that is a synonym for "trade secret" and doesn't apply here. It should have been "Private Confidential Information".

I submit that any information that is easily found on the Internet (address, phone, email) is neither private not confidential.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By JerryD5 on 04/07/2015 4:43 PM
Tim, what statute are you speaking of? If a homeowner wants a list of the house numbers, they can get it from our MC. But it is strictly just the house number and not the homeowner's name or other personal information. Though a diligent person can just compile their own list by going around the association. They could then go online to our county tax records and find out who is the homeowner.

Well, in the case of Colorado, (unless your development is a time-share development) I would be referring to C.R.S. 38-33.3-317, which states:

(1) In addition to any records specifically defined in the association's declaration or bylaws or expressly required by section 38-33.3-209.4 (2), the association must maintain the following, . . .

e) The names of unit owners in a form that permits preparation of a list of the names of all unit owners and the physical mailing addresses at which the association communicates with them, showing the number of votes each unit owner is entitled to vote; except that this paragraph (e) does not apply to a unit, or the owner thereof, if the unit is a time-share unit, as defined in section 38-33-110 (7);

(2) (a) Subject to subsections (3), (3.5), and (4) of this section, all records maintained by the association must be available for examination and copying by a unit owner or the owner's authorized agent. . . .

The issue, in my mind, would be your Associations policy not to include names and only include the property address vs. the mailing address. Yes, a member could go to the County Tax records. However, per statute, they can also simply request a copy (or at least the right to examine and copy) the membership list maintained by the Association as outlined by the CO statute identified above.
EdwardC1 (Florida)
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Posted By JerryD5 on 04/07/2015 4:46 PM
Edward, I cant believe that your board actually compiled the information and has done so for 15 years. Our association is only 7 years old and it would be time consuming to keep up with it.
They have an Excel file. Every month, management
removes people who have moved out and adds people who have moved in. We have about 425 homes so the turnover isn't great. I'd say that 30 minutes per month is all that's needed.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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The letter was a "request" not to use the member list for campaigning. It was not a threat. Every member list I have ever had (HOA's, country clubs, fraternal organizations, etc.) had a disclaimer that it was not to be used for so and so....and many used it for so and so.

We use to beat them with a wet noodle if they did use the list for so and so and that is about the weight/threat the letter from the MC has.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Edward,

Just going on tangents, not really going off topic.

As for the specific issue, in my opinion, it boils down to did the Association have permission from the owner to publish the contact information in a directory or not.

If they did - then there is no issue.

If they did not - then, yes, there is an issue as private information was released without consent and without a direct request for such information. Once published, the Association has zero control over how it is used.

It's not about how the information is being used. As I said, the Association has no control over that.

The issue is, did the Association have the owners permission to publish and if not, did the Association have the authority to publish without a specific request for the info?

EdwardC1 (Florida)
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Posted By TimB4 on 04/07/2015 5:04 PM

As for the specific issue, in my opinion, it boils down to did the Association have permission from the owner to publish the contact information in a directory or not.

If they did - then there is no issue.

If they did not - then, yes, there is an issue as private information was released without consent and without a direct request for such information. Once published, the Association has zero control over how it is used.

It's not about how the information is being used. As I said, the Association has no control over that.

The issue is, did the Association have the owners permission to publish and if not, did the Association have the authority to publish without a specific request for the info?

I have no idea whether or not management asks new residents if they want to opt out of the directory.

Why is information that is easily obtainable over the Internet considered to be private?
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
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Posted By EdwardC1 on 04/07/2015 5:26 PM
Why is information that is easily obtainable over the Internet considered to be private?

Because our privacy laws were written before the internet - and like every other area where technology gallops ahead, the need for answers hits the marketplace long before it hits the courts and legislatures.

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
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As Edward noted, campaigning is allowable. It is not the same as soliciting.

In my county, if I can find your house on the assessor's interactive map I can find the name and mailing address of the owner. By clicking a few more links I can find out how much you may owe in taxes and how much you paid for your home. I can find out who you bought the home from and who holds the mortgage. When you own real estate you do not have a lot of privacy.

In recent years the industry seems to have cut back on this practice but older mortgage documents often contained the borrower's telephone number, although these were usually land lines located in the home that they moved from.

In looking at my property records in another county where I own property I was rather alarmed a dozen years ago when I found my SSN displayed. The state has since enacted a law requiring the larger counties to redact all SSN's and for smaller counties to do so upon request.

Information on the internet is like toothpaste: once it is out of the tube it is not going to go back in.

RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 163
Posted:
Edward

In our association we will typically have two lists. One is a membership list, managed by the software of the management company, which is available to anyone who properly requests it. That list contains only the names and mailing addresses, or secondary address (if requested) of the homeowners. Once a year, an opt-out form is provided, as mandated by our Civil Codes. Any address of an opt-out homeowner is removed from availability until they opt back in. There are no phone numbers or email addresses provided, but there is now U.S. Case Law that could change that in the further. This would be the information that the homeowners would use to campaign with, no business soliciting.

The other source could be from a HOA controlled website. The homeowner has an opportunity to share their information with other homeowners, or they can check a box that keeps the information private. If the information is on the website, and they have consented, in view of the homeowners (private side and secured), it is considered fair game. The homeowner has consented to making their information available to anyone who has access to the private side of the HOA website.

EdwardC1 (Florida)
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Posted By NpS on 04/07/2015 5:45 PM
Posted By EdwardC1 on 04/07/2015 5:26 PM
Why is information that is easily obtainable over the Internet considered to be private?

Because our privacy laws were written before the internet - and like every other area where technology gallops ahead, the need for answers hits the marketplace long before it hits the courts and legislatures.
Actually, most of the "gains" in privacy have come recently and AFAICT have nothing to to with making phone calls or sending emails to people.
EdwardC1 (Florida)
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Posted By RichardP13 on 04/07/2015 6:47 PM
There are no phone numbers or email addresses provided, but there is now U.S. Case Law that could change that in the further.


What case law is that?
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The other source could be from a HOA controlled website. The homeowner has an opportunity to share their information with other homeowners, or they can check a box that keeps the information private. If the information is on the website, and they have consented, in view of the homeowners (private side and secured), it is considered fair game. The homeowner has consented to making their information available to anyone who has access to the private side of the HOA website.

As I said, I have no idea whether or not our owners have given consent to be included in our resident directory. Incidentally, our website contains only a downloadable PDF of the directory.
EdwardC1 (Florida)
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Posted By LarryB13 on 04/07/2015 6:25 PM
As Edward noted, campaigning is allowable. It is not the same as soliciting.
So what is calling someone and asking them to vote for someone? The NJ case was about a candidate distributing leaflets soliciting votes, but the court called it campaigning.
RichardP13 (California)
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Case law is Worldmark, the Club v. Wyndham Resort Development Corp.

AnnH5 (Florida)
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Anyone with current or prior access could have copied and saved the homeowners contact information... and now has that information for campaigning, solicitations, etc. Personally, I don't think it should be the business of any hoa to publish or distribute names of homeowners and their contact information to their membership. The only party that truly needs that info is the property manager.
AnnH5 (Florida)
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Anyone with current or prior access could have copied and saved the homeowners contact information... and now has that information for campaigning, solicitations, etc. Personally, I don't think it should be the business of any hoa to publish or distribute names of homeowners and their contact information to their membership. The only party that truly needs that info is the property manager.
GenoS (Florida)
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Florida law permits HOAs to publish a directory of owners' names, parcel addresses and phone numbers. Our HOA has been doing that for over 20 years. Each owner has the right, by law, to have his or her phone number excluded from said directory. There's nothing about email addresses in there, though, so those are not published.

To me, privacy is very important and the fact that my email address may be floating around out on the internet is no reason to assume that anyone who has it can give it out without my permission. I take that sort of thing very seriously. In fact, my HOA is considering setting up a website with some outfit that has a substandard privacy policy and what I consider bad security on their websites. If that happens I will be revoking my authorization for the HOA to use my email address for anything. Nobody gets my email address without my say so. I would be very angry if that were to happen.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
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Posted By EdwardC1 on 04/07/2015 7:50 PM
Posted By LarryB13 on 04/07/2015 6:25 PM
As Edward noted, campaigning is allowable. It is not the same as soliciting.
So what is calling someone and asking them to vote for someone? The NJ case was about a candidate distributing leaflets soliciting votes, but the court called it campaigning.

Campaigning or politicking is seeking votes. Public policy strongly endorses citizens discussing matters that effect their lives and voting for the candidates of their choice.

Soliciting is selling stuff, like Girl Scout Cookies or encyclopedias.

Proselytizing is an activity that, like campaigning or soliciting, often involves knocking on doors to convert or attempt to convert (someone) from one religion, belief, or opinion to another. While many of us find it annoying, public policy seems to grudgingly support it under the banner of freedom of religion.

"Those who won our independence believed . . . that public discussion is a political duty; and that this should be a fundamental principle of the American government. They recognized the risks to which all human institutions are subject. But they knew that order cannot be secured merely through fear of punishment for its infraction; that it is hazardous to discourage thought, hope and imagination; that fear breeds repression; that repression breeds hate; that hate menaces stable government; that the path of safety lies in the opportunity to discuss freely supposed grievances and proposed remedies; and that the fitting remedy for evil counsels is good ones. Believing in the power of reason as applied through public discussion, they eschewed silence coerced by law - the argument of force in its worst form. Recognizing the occasional tyrannies of governing majorities, they amended the Constitution so that free speech and assembly should be guaranteed."
New York Times Co. V. Sullivan, 376 U.S. 254, 270 (1964)
ND (PA)
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To sort of answer your question . . . this occurred in my community, but no legal issues/rulings were created, so I can only provide my opinions in that regard. In my community, we established protocol over how the info may be used and then provided friendly reminders when protocol wasn't followed. However as others have said . . . once the info is out there, there is no way to really control how it is used.

If there are real concerns, simply stop publishing the directory. After all, if the information contained cannot be used by the people it is provided to, then there is really no need for it.

The information you're talking about is better defined as "personal info" and is not really "private", "proprietary", and/or "confidential". There are differences in definitions that are important (you can look them up). Except for some cell phone numbers and home phone numbers that people intentionally conceal from public distribution, everything contained in your directory is openly, legally, and widely accessible on the internet and in public records.

I think you'd be hard pressed to have anyone agree that a solicitation-type phone call was an "invasion of privacy" (if that's the case, my privacy is invaded daily by telemarketers, bill collectors, and politicians). However, if the calls occur routinely even after a request is made that they do not continue, then you may have a case.

A "legal" definition I found online . . . "Invasion of privacy is the intrusion into the personal life of another, without just cause, which can give the person whose privacy has been invaded a right to bring a lawsuit for damages against the person or entity that intruded. It encompasses workplace monitoring, Internet privacy, data collection, and other means of disseminating private information."
RogerB (Colorado)
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Posted By EdwardC1 on 04/07/2015 4:41 PM
Posted By RogerB on 04/07/2015 4:29 PM
Edward,
In Colorado providing a phone number and email address without the permission of the homeowner is not allowed. Also, with the homeowners permission we also warn the homeowners that information in the directory is Personal and Confidential and can not be used for soliciation or any business purposes.
Should have asked them what?

The board creates the directory and has done so for 15 years.

I think perhaps you didn't get my question. :-)

I understood your question and gave the applicable answer for Colorado.

"You should have checked with the management company first" because according to your initial post your management company belatedly advised you of the answer in your state. Just because you have provided a directory for 15 years does not make it legal. For example, we provided directories for several HOAs for many years prior to a new CCIOA statutes which prohibited dissemination of this information; then later the statute was revised to require approval by the homeowner. So now we again provide Homeowner Directories for some HOAs we manage.

The proliferation of new state laws regarding HOAs is why many HOAs have changed from homeowner management to professional management. As some HOAs with uninformed Boards have found, not following the Rules has created irritated, and often irate, homeowners. Law suits are expensive.

I firmly believe that educating homeowners, and particularly Board members, can help improve the poor image of Covenant Controlled Communities.
RichardP13 (California)
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Roger

I second your recommendation of considering professional management.
EdwardC1 (Florida)
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Posted By RichardP13 on 04/07/2015 7:55 PM
Case law is Worldmark, the Club v. Wyndham Resort Development Corp.
Thanks, Richard. The decision says, if I am reading it correctly, that email addresses are a part of the information that a resident can request from a board of trustees (it's broader than that, actually).
EdwardC1 (Florida)
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Posted By ND on 04/08/2015 4:38 AM
If there are real concerns, simply stop publishing the directory.
But that is advice for our board! :-) And since the directory is out there already....
EdwardC1 (Florida)
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Posted By ND on 04/08/2015 4:38 AM
I think you'd be hard pressed to have anyone agree that a solicitation-type phone call was an "invasion of privacy" (if that's the case, my privacy is invaded daily by telemarketers, bill collectors, and politicians). However, if the calls occur routinely even after a request is made that they do not continue, then you may have a case.
(1) I'm not trying to get anyone to agree that this is "invasion of privacy". :-)
2) I won't have a case. Maybe the board will, but I will not. :-)
EdwardC1 (Florida)
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"You should have checked with the management company first" because according to your initial post your management company belatedly advised you of the answer in your state.
Well, they made a claim that this was an invasion of privacy but did not claim it was violating any NJ laws.
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The proliferation of new state laws regarding HOAs is why many HOAs have changed from homeowner management to professional management.
We have professional management. :-)
ND (PA)
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EdwardC1,

I'm assuming that you or an acquaintance of yours are/is the person making the phone calls. At least via the management company email, you're being indirectly accused of invading privacy.

I'm certainly no lawyer, but given the online "legal" definition I provided before, a single phone call to one or even all of your association's residents using information from a directory prepared by the board/management that came without any restriction on it or protocol associated with its use . . . DOES NOT CONSTITUTE an invasion of privacy.

Is it safe to assume that the "campaigning" and "securing votes" referenced in the email is in regard to HOA Board elections?

If the campaigning and securing votes is not in regard to HOA Board elections, I still wouldn't call what is being done an invasion of privacy, but the average person should see this as an inappropriate use of the directory. While perhaps not stated, the directory is being provided to members for use among the members to converse with each other on association-related matters or more personal matters between an agreeable and smaller group of members.

Either way, whatever is being done has drawn quite a bit of attention that has now gone association-wide. I suppose you or your acquaintance will see if it was a good campaign strategy.

Does all that satisfy what you are looking to have confirmed?
NpS (Pennsylvania)
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Posted By EdwardC1 on 04/08/2015 8:17 AM
Posted By RichardP13 on 04/07/2015 7:55 PM
Case law is Worldmark, the Club v. Wyndham Resort Development Corp.
Thanks, Richard. The decision says, if I am reading it correctly, that email addresses are a part of the information that a resident can request from a board of trustees (it's broader than that, actually).


The court's conclusion was consistent with my earlier post. "Email" was not in common use at the time that the language in question in the Worldmark v. Wyndham case was adopted. That court was of the opinion that if "email" existed at the time, the drafters would have included email as a component of the term "mail".

The opinion is by a federal court in CA. Which means that a NJ state court does not have to apply it. It also means that a federal court in NJ does not have to apply it.

The case may turn out to be very influential if a similar case is brought before the state or federal courts in NJ. But then again, different docs may result in different decisions in different courts.

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
EdwardC1 (Florida)
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Posted By ND on 04/08/2015 8:56 AM
EdwardC1,

I'm assuming that you or an acquaintance of yours are/is the person making the phone calls. At least via the management company email, you're being indirectly accused of invading privacy.

I'm certainly no lawyer, but given the online "legal" definition I provided before, a single phone call to one or even all of your association's residents using information from a directory prepared by the board/management that came without any restriction on it or protocol associated with its use . . . DOES NOT CONSTITUTE an invasion of privacy.

Is it safe to assume that the "campaigning" and "securing votes" referenced in the email is in regard to HOA Board elections?

If the campaigning and securing votes is not in regard to HOA Board elections, I still wouldn't call what is being done an invasion of privacy, but the average person should see this as an inappropriate use of the directory. While perhaps not stated, the directory is being provided to members for use among the members to converse with each other on association-related matters or more personal matters between an agreeable and smaller group of members.

Either way, whatever is being done has drawn quite a bit of attention that has now gone association-wide. I suppose you or your acquaintance will see if it was a good campaign strategy.

Does all that satisfy what you are looking to have confirmed?
I don't know who is making the calls. The email that management sent was via the community mailing list and went to everyone.
Yes, this is about the upcoming election.
Yes, thank you.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
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We go to great lengths to keep our email list accurate and current.

We send email blasts often - which involves blind copying the entire membership (who want to receive emails). Every once in a while an error is made and the members wind up being copied instead of blind copied. When we copy instead of blind copy, the entire email list gets published in error. It doesn't happen often, but it does happen from time to time.

About a year ago, one HO who had a dispute with her next door neighbor and the HOA decided to broadcast a plea for help.

The email list she used was outdated. Which means that HOs who had asked us to remove them from these distributions were now getting HOA emails that they didn't want. Quite a few of these HOs were offended that their wishes to be left alone had not been respected.

We also saw that she had intentionally removed some people from her distribution list - in particular, the neighbor she had a dispute with and people who she knew were his friends. This too was a violation because we do not allow selective use of our list.

In response to her email blast, a lawyer who lives in the community sent a typical lawyerly response and offered to help her. But he didn't send it to just her. He broadcast it to the same list. But to us, that was soliciting - We would have had no problem if he just responded to her privately, but by sending it to the entire community, he was using our list to advertise his services.

This story continued with many twists and turns - But the point I wanted to make is that the use of private information is an incredibly sensitive issue - once you open the door to misuse, there can be a domino effect of bad feelings created and finger pointing.


Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
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Posted By EdwardC1 on 04/08/2015 8:17 AM

Posted By RichardP13 on 04/07/2015 7:55 PM
Case law is Worldmark, the Club v. Wyndham Resort Development Corp.

Thanks, Richard. The decision says, if I am reading it correctly, that email addresses are a part of the information that a resident can request from a board of trustees (it's broader than that, actually).

In skimming through the court's opinion one issue that made the email addresses fair game was the fact that the association had something like 260,000 members scattered all over the world and that the association routinely used email as its primary form of communication with its members.

BTW, this was not a federal case as some stated above; the opinion was issued by the California Court of Appeals.

RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 163
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Larry

Being this was a published case, it can be used in other states. BTW, I think the case is without merit, as it involves timeshares, but I also can't believe how some issues are linked to certain court cases that make no sense at all.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
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Posted By RichardP13 on 04/08/2015 10:57 AM
Larry

Being this was a published case, it can be used in other states. BTW, I think the case is without merit, as it involves timeshares, but I also can't believe how some issues are linked to certain court cases that make no sense at all.

I am not sure what you mean when you say it "is without merit." While it did involve timeshares, it involved what information a non-profit corporation must produce on request of a member. Since most HOA's are also non-profits, it is applicable to this forum.

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