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DonaldN (Connecticut)
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During the past 5 years many units in our condo complex have experienced water damage as a result of ice dams and possibly structural flaws - our management, i.e. the Board along with our property manager is proposing a change to our Master Policy and potentially our bylaws to provide for a sharing of this risk going forward ; specifically the first $5,000 in damages will by covered by our own individual HO policies with any excess going on our Master Policy.

We had a meeting recently with representatives of the insurance agency that coordinates our insurance needs - they said that according to the way the declarations ( I assume policy declarations ) are currently written, the first $5,000 would be assessed as a common expense to all unit owners; not sure if "assessed" is in the context of a "special" assessment as we've had for capital improvement projects or is it a component of the annual budget - in the past we've never had a "special" assessment due to water damage. And as mentioned above they are proposing a change in our Master Policy to provide for risk sharing using insurance policies, ours and theirs, instead of an assessment to cover the expenses.

At the meeting the representatives also referred to Connecticut statute Section 47-255 as coming into play ; Section 47-255(c) second sentence does say that "the declaration may require the association to carry any other insurance, and the association may carry any other insurance it considers appropriate to protect the association or the unit owners."

A meeting is planned to have a vote on the proposed insurance change but reading 47-255 it seems as though it could be changed without a vote.

Was wondering if any of the Connecticut members, possibly Bruce ? , have any insight into all of this ?

JamesG (Connecticut)
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I am sure that the "declarations" that your agent is referring to are the associations legal documents that prescribe the associations responsibility to insure the common elements. In CT most policies are being written as "all in" so that the unit is also covered under the master policy.

Most often the deductible is a common expense that is shared equally among all unit owners. This expense can be a budgeted expense or a special assessment.

You need to inspect your documents carefully to see how this is addressed. If the association wants to shift the deductible burden to the individual units, then probably your Declaration will need to be amended to allow for this change. The proposed amendment would need to be approved via a formal vote of the members and recorded with the Town Clerk.

Jim
NancyG3 (North Carolina)
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My thought is that it should be a line item expense on your budget so it is covered by the dues. This way the covenants would not have to be changed.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
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Donald,

I believe you are referring to the wrong section of the CIOA.

Judging from your question, it appears that your community consists of multiple-dwelling units. That is, each building consists of two of more units separated by either horizontal or vertical partitions. In this case, section 47-255 (b) applies which requires the association to carry insurance sufficient to cover the units, including any improvements and betterments installed by the unit owners. In other words, the way I read this, sharing the insurance between the association and the unit owners is not permitted.

However, that section does go on to state that, provided the declaration (meaning the declaration for your community) permits,the association may not have to carry insurance to cover damage caused to improvements and betterments installed by the unit owner. However, the units themselves must still be insured by the association.

Example: There is water damage to the ceiling of a unit. The association's insurance must cover the damage to the ceiling. Let's assume that the unit has hardwood floors and the unit owner has placed an area rug on the floor which has also sustained water damage. If the association's declaration states that the association is not responsible for improvements and betterments installed by the unit owner, then the replacement of the rug is the unit owner's responsibility. Otherwise, it is the association's responsibility.
DonaldN (Connecticut)
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I just did a search on the internet for "all in" coverage ; apparently in CT beginning in 2010 revisions to the Common Interest Ownership Act ( COIA ) require the Master Policy to automatically include improvements and betterments which is called "all in" coverage.

Our Master Policy has a $5,000 deductible per unit as I noted in my initial post ; In practice, I wouldn't think that this deductible could be a line item in the fiscal budget since at the beginning of the fiscal year you don't know what the experience is going to be for the upcoming year, i.e. how many claims will be over/under the deductible - and Winter weather in New England has been very unpredictable.

Using a "special" assessment to recoup expenses, i.e. the deductible in bad years in order to shore up the reserves makes sense.

Our documents simple say that common expenses can be covered via budget or "special" .

I think the Board wants to avoid another "special" assessment since we are currently have one that covers asset drain from some recent capital improvements .

I guess if they changed the bylaws - and the Master Policy - to require each unit owner to be responsible for their own damages up to $5,000 then they wouldn't have to spread the expenses of a minority group, i.e. those with water damage ( 1/3 of the units this past Winter) over all the units and thereby requiring those with no damage to utilize their "loss assessment" coverage under their HO6 policies and possibly incur a rate hike at some point ??????
DonaldN (Connecticut)
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Posted By BruceF1 on 04/03/2015 10:17 AM
Donald,

I believe you are referring to the wrong section of the CIOA.

Judging from your question, it appears that your community consists of multiple-dwelling units. That is, each building consists of two of more units separated by either horizontal or vertical partitions. In this case, section 47-255 (b) applies which requires the association to carry insurance sufficient to cover the units, including any improvements and betterments installed by the unit owners. In other words, the way I read this, sharing the insurance between the association and the unit owners is not permitted.

However, that section does go on to state that, provided the declaration (meaning the declaration for your community) permits,the association may not have to carry insurance to cover damage caused to improvements and betterments installed by the unit owner. However, the units themselves must still be insured by the association.

Example: There is water damage to the ceiling of a unit. The association's insurance must cover the damage to the ceiling. Let's assume that the unit has hardwood floors and the unit owner has placed an area rug on the floor which has also sustained water damage. If the association's declaration states that the association is not responsible for improvements and betterments installed by the unit owner, then the replacement of the rug is the unit owner's responsibility. Otherwise, it is the association's responsibility.

So what you are saying Bruce is that the only option for the Association is to pay for the deductible portion of a claim out of operating funds and/or a "special" assessment - I'm assuming here that factoring this expense into next years' budget wouldn't be a prudent or logical step as I noted in my other post since New England weather is so unpredictable year to year .
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
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Posted By DonaldN on 04/03/2015 10:42 AM
I guess if they changed the bylaws - and the Master Policy - to require each unit owner to be responsible for their own damages up to $5,000 then they wouldn't have to spread the expenses of a minority group, i.e. those with water damage ( 1/3 of the units this past Winter) over all the units and thereby requiring those with no damage to utilize their "loss assessment" coverage under their HO6 policies and possibly incur a rate hike at some point ??????

I think you mean your declaration and not bylaws.

Again, the association's insurance policy is still responsible for damage to the unit itself. The CIOA does permit the association to require that unit owners carry their own insurance to cover damage to the improvements and betterments installed by the unit owner. That requirement would have to be in your declaration, which can only be amended by the unit owners.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
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Posted By DonaldN on 04/03/2015 11:35 AM
So what you are saying Bruce is that the only option for the Association is to pay for the deductible portion of a claim out of operating funds and/or a "special" assessment - I'm assuming here that factoring this expense into next years' budget wouldn't be a prudent or logical step as I noted in my other post since New England weather is so unpredictable year to year .

That is exactly what I am saying. It would require a special assessment to cover the deductible.

However, it may be that the special assessment might be able to be levied only against the units that are in the buildings where the damage occurred - not the entire community. You would have to check your documents to be sure.

As you say, it would be impossible to put a line item in the operating budget since it cannot be predicted in advance that it will be necessary to file an insurance claim.

However, if your operating budget includes amounts for "discretionary" items (such as planting new trees or bushes) it might be possible to defer this work to the next year and apply that amount toward covering the deductible. Our operating budget typically includes amounts for items that do not necessary have to be done in the current year, so those funds could be used to cover all or part of unplanned emergency expenses if needed, thereby avoiding a special assessment.
DonaldN (Connecticut)
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Posted By BruceF1 on 04/03/2015 10:17 AM
In other words, the way I read this, sharing the insurance between the association and the unit owners is not permitted.

However, that section does go on to state that, provided the declaration (meaning the declaration for your community) permits,the association may not have to carry insurance to cover damage caused to improvements and betterments installed by the unit owner. However, the units themselves must still be insured by the association.

Bruce , it still seems like 47-255(c) opens the window a bit to allow shared insurance in general not just for improvements and betterments ; has your Association obtained an interpretation from counsel on this ?
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
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Posted By DonaldN on 04/05/2015 9:41 AM
Bruce , it still seems like 47-255(c) opens the window a bit to allow shared insurance in general not just for improvements and betterments ; has your Association obtained an interpretation from counsel on this ?

No. Your situation does not apply to us. We are single family homes, so there are no vertical or horizontal partitions between units, so 47-255(b) does not apply to us, but it does to you.

I think you are misinterpreting section 47-255(c) which states:

"(c) If the insurance described in subsections (a) and (b) of this section is not reasonably available, the association promptly shall cause notice of that fact to be given to all unit owners pursuant to section 47-261c. The declaration may require the association to carry any other insurance, and the association may carry any other insurance it considers appropriate to protect the association or the unit owners."

The first sentence simply requires the association to give notice to unit owners if the insurance required by subsections (a) and (b) is not reasonably available. Is this, in fact the case? Or, is it simply the fact that the association would like to share the burden of insurance with the homeowners. That sentence does not say you can do that. That sentence states that you must inform the unit owners if the association is unable to get the insurance required by (a) and (b). If such insurance is available, the association must carry it and the association must pay for it.

The second sentence simply permits the association to carry other insurance in addition to the insurance for property damage to the units, such as liability insurance, property damage to others, D&O insurance, etc.

Upon re-reading your OP I think what your insurance agent is telling you that your declaration does not require you to pay to insure the improvements that a unit owner has added. Therefore, with the proper insurance, the association would be required to only carry property damage to the units themselves, not the improvements.

I don't think insurance companies would issue policies to unit owners under the conditions you describe, nor would lenders (banks) grant mortgages to buyers of units or unit owners seeking a loan to refinance their unit. When I refinanced my unit a while back, the bank required that I provide them with a copy of my association's master policy. HUD, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac also require that units be properly insured by the association.

I think you are looking for a loophole that doesn't exist.
DonaldN (Connecticut)
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Not looking for a loophole , just the correct interpretation of 47-255 ; the proposal on the table is for unit owners to rely on their own insurance to cover the first $5,000 of any damage ; I'm just trying to provide a counter argument using the wording in 47-255 ; except for the wording in (b) regarding "betterments and improvements" the words in (a) , i.e. "the association shall maintain" does seem to put the responsibility on the association .

Just want to be sure , that's all .
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
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Posted By DonaldN on 04/05/2015 3:20 PM
Not looking for a loophole , just the correct interpretation of 47-255 ; the proposal on the table is for unit owners to rely on their own insurance to cover the first $5,000 of any damage ; I'm just trying to provide a counter argument using the wording in 47-255 ; except for the wording in (b) regarding "betterments and improvements" the words in (a) , i.e. "the association shall maintain" does seem to put the responsibility on the association .

Just want to be sure , that's all .

In light of 47-255(b), I don't think having a unit owner cover the first $5000 of property damage to the unit is going to fly with the homeowners' insurance companies or with the mortgage holders. 47-255(b) seems pretty clear that the association must insure the units against property damage.

Besides, it appears to me that the first $5000 your insurance agent is referring to is the deductible under the association's property damage insurance. I'm pretty certain the $5000 deductible would apply to the entire claim, regardless of how many units are affected. It would not be $5000 per unit. Thus, the deductible would have to be paid for by a special assessment. Assuming that all unit owners would have to share in the assessment, then, if you have 50 units, the special assessment for each unit owner would be $100 each. I'd have to read your documents and your insurance policy to be sure, but that's usually how it works.
DonaldN (Connecticut)
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The certificate of insurance says that "coverage is written on a special form guaranteed replacement cost basis subject to a $5,000 deductible and $5,000 per unit ice dam deductible. All in unit coverage includes improvements and betterments."

The first $5,000 could apply to non ice dam damage to all the units in total or the words "per unit" were inadvertently left out , not sure ; our biggest threat has been from ice dams and that expense alone could generate a large assessment to all unit owners .

BruceF1 (Connecticut)
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Posted By DonaldN on 04/06/2015 6:49 AM
The certificate of insurance says that "coverage is written on a special form guaranteed replacement cost basis subject to a $5,000 deductible and $5,000 per unit ice dam deductible. All in unit coverage includes improvements and betterments."

The first $5,000 could apply to non ice dam damage to all the units in total or the words "per unit" were inadvertently left out , not sure ; our biggest threat has been from ice dams and that expense alone could generate a large assessment to all unit owners .


It appears a lot depends on the wording in your declaration and insurance policy. Since I don't have copies of either of those documents, I cannot provide you with my interpretation.

I think, from your OP, that your insurance advisors are telling you is that your declaration does not require you to carry insurance on improvements and betterments installed by the owner, state law does not require you to either. That may reduce the premiums paid by the association.

Does the $5000 deductible per unit apply to damage to the unit itself? Or, does it only apply to damage to the improvements? If it is the latter, and assuming your declaration does not require the association to insure improvements made by the unit owner, then the unit owner would be responsible for obtaining insurance on the improvements (but not the unit). And would purchase insurance with whatever deductible desired.

It usually not possible to simply read a portion of one document (like section 47-255) to arrive at an answer or the best course of action. All pertinent documents (state law, declaration, insurance policy, must be thoroughly studied (not merely read) to learn what the proper course of action is.

For example, state law requires only that assessments be levied in accordance with the declaration. So, what does your declaration say about special assessments regarding damage to units? Must a special assessment be levied against all units, even those without damage? Or, can assessments be levied only against those units that sustained damege?
JamesG (Connecticut)
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Most Declarations state that the cost of a deductible expense is to be shared among all units in proportion to their share of the ownership of the common elements. In most cases this will be equal shares. If you want to assess the deductible expense only on those units that sustained a loss, then the Declaration would need to be amended following the prescribed process. Below is information that we received from our attorney several years again that relates to this subject. Hopefully it may be useful. I used OCR on a PDF file to get this into text, so I apologize for any errors.

AMENDMENT TO INSURANCE DEDUCTIBLE PROVISIONS

1. Under the documents of our community, the Association is required to provide property insurance coverage under its master insurance policy for portions of the units as well as for the common elements. The documents also require that if a portion of the community is damaged as the result of an occurrence covered by the policy, the Association is required to repair the damage to both the common elements and the affected units using the proceeds of the master insurance policy to cover the cost. If the insurance proceeds are not sufficient to cover the cost of repair, the balance is to be paid out of the common charges collected from all of the unit owners.

2. If the Association has purchased the insurance required by its documents, there should not be a problem with the adequacy of the coverage, except for the deductible. Deductibles are a common provisions in property insurance policies. They are a threshold below which the insurance carrier will not pay. For example, if the insurance policy has a $1,000 deductible, and the building suffers a $500 loss, the insurance carrier will not pay because the loss is less than the deductible. If the loss is $10,000, the insurance carrier will pay $9,000: the cost of the loss less the amount of the deductible.

3. Deductibles are included in insurance policies for a number of reasons. One is to discourage the filing of small insurance claims. Another is to encourage property owners to take steps to minimize damage after a covered loss in order to reduce the amount they will have to pay. In the case of condominiums, however, where the association, and not the owner of the damaged unit, must bear the cost of the deductible, there is little inducement for unit owners to take steps to minimize damages.

4. From time to time, it may be in the Association's interest to increase the amount of the deductible in order to save the unit owners money on the master insurance coverage.

5. Over the past decade, deductibles on association master insurance policies have risen significantly. Ten years ago, deductibles were frequently as small as $250. Today many associations cannot get insurance with deductibles smaller than $1000 and some have found it necessary to purchase insurance with deductibles of $5000 or more.

6. Over the years, some associations have charged the shortfall resulting from the deductible back against the individual unit owners. The unit owners, in turn, have claimed these amounts against their individual unit insurance policies and have often been successful in collecting. However, during the past several years, several of the larger and more sophisticated insurance companies writing unit owner coverage have begun to take the position that neither they nor the unit owners they insure are responsible for covering the deductible because of the provisions in the Common Interest Ownership Act which make any insurance shortfall a common expense.

7. There is a way in which the Association can assess the amount not covered by virtue of the deductible against individual units so as to make it possible to allocate a portion of the deductible under the Association's master insurance policy against the individual units that are damaged. This clause takes advantage of a provision in the Common Interest Ownership Act which states that common expenses benefitting less than all of the units can be assessed only against the units that are benefitted to the extent that this assessment is required under the provisions of the declaration. The amendments to the declaration that the board is submitting for your approval make these changes.

8. The new clause pro-rates the deductible for any casualty loss among the affected units and common elements in proportion to the damage to each of them. It then assesses the portion allocated to individual units specifically against each unit.

9. Under the terms of most unit owner policies being written today, this kind of assessment will be paid by the individual unit owner policy less whatever small deductible applies to that policy.

10. While it is possible that insurance companies may change the provisions of their unit owner policies in the future, this clause is. at present, the best method available minimizing the impact of deductibles under the master insurance policy on the community as a whole.

IMPORTANT NOTICE TO UNIT OWNERS CONCERNING INSURANCE COVERAGE

The Association has completed the process of amending its declaration to adopt new provisions concerning property insurance. A copy of the amended insurance provisions is attached to this notice. Under these amended provisions, if your unit is damaged by fire or other casualty and the Association is required to repair the unit under the terms of the declaration, it may charge a portion of the cost of the repair against your unit.

The maximum amount that can be charged back against your unit is the smaller of the cost of repairing the unit or $______________________________________, the amount of the deductible
under the Association's master insurance policy. If this charge is not paid, it will become a lien against your unit and can be foreclosed by the Association in the same manner as other common charges.

As an individual unit owner, you can obtain insurance which will cover a significant part of any amount assessed against you by the Association under the amended insurance provisions. This coverage, along with other important coverage every unit owner should have, is available as part of unit owner insurance policies offered by many companies and agents. In many policies, the coverage that will contribute to any assessment under the amended insurance provisions is called "buildings and/or alterations coverage."

You may need additional loss assessment coverage and building and/or alterations coverage over and above the amount necessary to pay any assessment under the attached amendment.

You will also need other coverage in appropriate amounts to protect you against other risks associated with the ownership of your unit.
In order to be sure that you have all of the coverage that you need, you should take your copy of your condominium documents, this letter, and the attached insurance amendment, to your insurance agent or advisor. Ask him or her to review this material to make sure that your unit owner's policy contains all of the coverage that you need.

If you do not have a unit owner's insurance policy, we urge you to get one at once.
DonaldN (Connecticut)
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Our Board in consultation with our insurance agent and property manager want to amend whatever governing documents are required, i.e. declaration, bylaws, etc. to stipulate that any property damage claim up to $5,000 be covered by our individual HO6 policies.

I'm just questioning if an amendment like this is legal in the context of COIA ? unfortunately our declaration doesn't address this .
DonaldN (Connecticut)
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Thanks everyone for your time and input .
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
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Posted By DonaldN on 04/07/2015 9:18 AM
I'm just questioning if an amendment like this is legal in the context of COIA ?

In my opinion, according to the CIOA, it is not.

You would have to amend the declaration. Most likely the board doesn't have the authority to do that. That being the case, if I were the association president, I would be required by Roberts Rules (mandated by state law) to rule such a motion out of order.

Assuming that your association succeeds in doing this, here's what I think would happen:

1. The homeowner would file a claim with his insurance company for property damage.

2. The property owner's insurance company, citing the CIOA, would either:

A. Refuse to pay the claim; or

B. Pay the claim and and then sue either the association or the association's insurance company.
DonaldN (Connecticut)
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Thanks again Bruce , an amendment to the Declaration is going to be put to a vote by the unit owners ; if it passes then our insurance agent said they , meaning our insurance company, will have to abide by the Association's Declaration and pay on the claim whatever is above our individual deductible.

This is not what I hear you saying Bruce - a few of us may have to hire a condo law attorney to sort this all out .
EllieD (Vermont)
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DonaldN,

1. You posted that your certificate of insurance says that "coverage is written on a special form guaranteed replacement cost basis subject to a $5,000 deductible and $5,000 per unit ice dam deductible. All in unit coverage includes improvements and betterments."

And then you wondered about the words “$5,000 per unit ice dam deductible”?

Following is a quote from:
http://newenglandcondo.com/articles/455/1/Draffted-Ice-Dams/Page1.html

“Sensing a then-developing trend in condo insurance claims, New England insurers gradually began introducing the concept of per-unit ice dam deductibles—charges made to individual unit-owners based upon the damage totals for each single unit, not the overall amount for the condo property itself.

“What happens with ice dams,” says Gitlin, “sometimes there’s a lot of damage in a particular unit. But, more often than not, it’s a small amount of damage—a stain on a wall or two, a stain on the ceiling. And they may have that same problem in fifty different units.

So a number of the more-sophisticated insurance companies are beginning to say they want a $1,000 or $2,500 per-unit deductible.”

2. You also posted about the first $5,000 deductible being assessed as a common expense to all unit owners. Another way to think about the “deductible” is to think of it as, the Association “self-insuring”, for the amount of $5,000. And as such, in the Budget provide for the $5,000 as a line item in the Reserve Account. If in any year the $5,000 is not needed, it just gets carried over to the next year.

We do not have any deductible specifically for ice-dams, so I do not know what we would do if we did. Perhaps put an additional $5,000 or more into reserves. Which would seem reasonable since Ice dams are preventable. (Because your buildings seem prone to ice dams, I would think that you would be building up “reserves” as quickly as possible so that the problems which are causing the ice dams, could be fixed).

3. Getting back to your certificate of insurance coverage, and the words: “All in unit coverage includes improvements and betterments.” IMO, there is not much that you can do about that as the “all in coverage” is required per CT Statute:

Also, per CT statute “the association's policy must provide primary coverage”.

Reference: http://www.cga.ct.gov/2012/rpt/2012-R-0093.htm for the following quote:

“The law sets various other requirements for the association's required insurance policies. For example, the association's policy must provide primary coverage if, at the time of loss, there is other insurance in the unit owner's name covering the same risk.”

“The insurance on such units must include coverage for improvements and betterments unit owners installed unless the (1) declaration limits the association's authority to do so or (2) executive board decides not to insure them after giving notice and an opportunity for unit owners to comment.”

4. However, should your Condo Association decide NOT to insure all the improvements - also from the above web link:

“For common interest communities containing more than 12 units, if the association does not insure all improvements and betterments, it must:

1. prepare and maintain a schedule of the standard fixtures, improvements, and betterments in the units, including any standard wall, floor, and ceiling coverings covered by the association's insurance policy;

2. provide the schedule at least annually to the unit owners to enable them to coordinate their homeowners insurance coverage with the association's insurance policy; and

3. include the schedule in any resale certificate prepared as required by law . . . .”

And from this site, http://ctwatchdog.com/business/new-condo-rules-in-conn-helps-owners-learn-what-their-associations-are-up-to :

“Possibly the most controversial, and significant, changes to the act involve insurance. All Associations must now purchase fidelity insurance for members of the Board of Directors, which covers losses from theft, embezzlement, burglary, etc.

The second major change makes it mandatory for the master policy to cover all improvements and betterments to the units rather than covering only the original developer-installed components of the Unit.

Associations can “opt-out” from this provision, but it requires that the Association amend the Declaration, create an inventory of the developer-installed components, distribute that list annually to every Unit Owner, and include that list in all Resale Certificates.”

5. Another informative article: http://www.pullcom.com/news-publications-373.html and some quotes:

”Section 47-255 of CIOA now requires all associations, other than those where each unit is a free-standing building, to obtain property insurance which covers “all improvements and betterments installed by unit owners.”

This means anything that is permanently attached such that the unit owners wouldn’t be expected to remove them when they move out. Carpeting, granite countertops, wallpaper, finished basements, replacement mechanicals, and built-in shelving installed at any time after the original sale from the developer to the unit’s first owner would be examples.

Furniture and personal effects would not be included, and unit owners should insure those types of items themselves.”

“CIOA does give associations the power to “opt out” of “all-in coverage,” providing the board the right to purchase property insurance which excludes unit betterments and improvements.

But the process is cumbersome.

First, the association must either amend the declaration or hold a board vote to “opt out,” both of which require a meeting of the unit owners.

Then, unless the association has twelve or fewer units, the board must create a detailed list of all of the original fixtures, improvements, and betterments in the units, including any standard wall, floor, and ceiling coverings covered by the association’s policy.

“Finally, to enable the unit owners to coordinate their personal insurance coverage with the coverage afforded by the association’s insurance policy, the board must distribute this list to every unit owner at least annually . . .”

“Not only is the “opt out” process a burden, but the list of standard fixtures can be very difficult to compile. Since “all in coverage” is not much more expensive than insurance policies which exclude betterments and improvements, most associations have chosen to simply live with CIOA’s expanded insurance obligations.”

6. I hope this helps, but please “double check”. The latest Vermont Statute is very similar to Connecticut’s, but there are differences. The biggest one, that I am aware of, is the CT requirement to provide “all-in” coverage.

I am not involved in the Insurance Industry, nor am I an attorney.
DonaldN (Connecticut)
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thanks EllieD - our Board wants put the following proposal to a vote among all the unit owners : the first $5,000 of property damage including betterments and improvements will be covered under each unit owner's personal HO insurance ; they want the Association's Master Policy to only cover damage to anything above %5,000 ; if it's approved then our governing documents , i.e. declaration, etc. will also be changed appropriately.

We , as unit owners , just want to know if this proposal is allowable under the CIOA in Connecticut ?

That's the best way I can explain our concern .
DonaldN (Connecticut)
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Can someone tell me if posts can be edited for typos and how it's done ? thanks
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
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Posted By DonaldN on 04/12/2015 11:44 AM
Can someone tell me if posts can be edited for typos and how it's done ? thanks

Unfortunately, this forum, as useful as it is, has not yet caught up with modern technology and edits or removal of posts by the originator are not possible. This feature is available with several other forums, so the technology is available.

Many of us have wished and asked for an edit capability.
DonaldN (Connecticut)
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OK , thanks Bruce
JamesG (Connecticut)
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Your best source of a definitive answer is the insurance company that has your master policy. They are obligated to write you a policy that fully complies with the requirements of your Declaration and all applicable state laws. If they agree that what you propose can be done (given legal amendments to your documents), then you should see if a sample of companies that write HO-6 policies in your area are willing (able) to pick up this added coverage.

Jim
DonaldN (Connecticut)
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Posted By JamesG on 04/12/2015 1:39 PM
Your best source of a definitive answer is the insurance company that has your master policy. They are obligated to write you a policy that fully complies with the requirements of your Declaration and all applicable state laws. If they agree that what you propose can be done (given legal amendments to your documents), then you should see if a sample of companies that write HO-6 policies in your area are willing (able) to pick up this added coverage.

Jim

thanks JamesG !!!

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