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FredS11 (Arizona)
Posts: 4
Posted:
We have been instructed that in order for an Arch request to be passed that it must be approved by 100% of the arch committee if approving by email. Supposedly this is an Arizona law. However I cannot see this anywhere. In our Covenants it states it must be approved by the majority. Which is correct?
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 163
Posted:
It sounds reasonable without diving into Arizona law. Actions without a meeting (email), when allowed in California, had to be unanimous.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
You might look at AZ corporations codes, FredS. Our in CA, for instance, say that committees follow the same protocols re: meetings and voting as Boards do. Now, as Richard points out, CA no longer allows Boards "to take action without a meeting," any longer except in emergencies., so our ARC would need to follow the same procedure per CA corps code and also our own "Guidelines for All Committees."

So if Boards are allowed to take action without a mtng. in AZ, it seems the ARC could too. But it would have to unanimous. I'm not as confident as Richard is that requiring 100% approval is permitted by law, when your documents only require a majority. It seems this places extra burdens on homeowners when they apply unless the know the committee an meet in person. Hmmmm.

Let's see what the "other Fred" or Larry have to say.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Fred,

When a Board or Committee approves something via e-mail, it is called an "action without meeting".

State Corporate laws typically address action without meetings.

If the decision was held at a meeting of the Committee, then majority rule would apply.

Typically, Associations are incorporated as nonprofits. Expecting that your Association is typical, Title 10, chapters 24-40 of the AZ Statutes would be applicable. Per AZ 10-3821:

A. Unless the articles of incorporation or bylaws provide otherwise, action required or permitted by chapters 24 through 40 of this title to be taken at a directors' meeting may be taken without a meeting if the action is taken by all of the directors. The action must be evidenced by one or more written consents describing the action taken, signed by each director and included in the minutes filed with the corporate records reflecting the action taken.

B. Action taken under this section is effective when the last director signs the consent, unless the consent specifies a different effective date.

C. The consent signed under this section has the effect of a meeting vote and may be described as such in any document.

D. Any director may revoke a consent by delivering a signed revocation of the consent to the president or secretary before the date the last director signs the consent.

E. For the purposes of this section, a consent may be signed using an electronic signature as defined in section 44-7002.

Note: "if the action is taken by all of the directors" = unanimous
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 163
Posted:
Kerry

What I was pointing out that if the approval was being done BY email, the unanimous approval generally is required. If the meeting is in person, the approval would be a majority of those present. Emergency meetings held by email, now require just a majority. My opinion, big mistake, open for abuse.

Also, who is on the Arch Committee, Board members. All my properties we manage and my own association, board members make up the Arch Committees. No volunteers
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Tim,

While non-profits in general are bound by the statutes you cited, HOA's are further bound by other statutes, including ARS 33-1804 which addresses open meetings.

The statute allows emergency meetings where action cannot be delayed until a scheduled meeting. It does not allow by-passing open meetings with an email vote where there is no emergency. I have also heard the old story about unanimous agreement but I find nothing in the statute to support that. (I think that is a California thing.) So it is not a case of majority-versus-all; it is a matter of lawful-open-meeting-versus-unlawful-secret-online-meeting.

The statute also extends the open meeting requirement to committees. Members of an ARC do not have the same immunity from civil liability as a board member, so my advice to Fred would to tread cautiously. Fred, you wrote "We have been instructed . . ." My question is by whom and what is their authority to instruct you? My first impression is that someone is doing a disservice to your association with some very bad legal advice. There is no shortage of attorneys in Arizona and little reason to accept bad advice from non-attorneys.

LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
ARS 33-1804:

http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/33/01804.htm&Title=33&DocType=ARS

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By LarryB13 on 03/26/2015 3:35 PM

I have also heard the old story about unanimous agreement but I find nothing in the statute to support that.

I thought I provided the actual statute that would support that.
Granted, it only applies to Associations that are incorporated.

Quote:
Posted By LarryB13 on 03/26/2015 3:35 PM

So it is not a case of majority-versus-all; it is a matter of lawful-open-meeting-versus-unlawful-secret-online-meeting.

That is true as well.
In fact, as you pointed out, this is the first and larger issue.

I didn't go into that and took the issue posed by the OP as written.

FredS11 (Arizona)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Where is section 4-7002
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Links:

For all AZ statutes:

http://www.azleg.gov/ArizonaRevisedStatutes.asp

Nonprofit Corporation Statutes (A.R.S. 10-3101 et seq.) Title 10, Chapters 24-40

http://www.azleg.gov/ArizonaRevisedStatutes.asp?Title=10

Property Laws (Title 33)
Title 33 - Property, Chapter 9 - Condominiums, Articles 1-4
Title 33 - Property, Chapter 16 - Planned Communities, Article 1
Title 33 - Property, Chapter 20 - Timeshare Owners' Association and Management Act, Article 1

http://www.azleg.gov/ArizonaRevisedStatutes.asp?Title=33

Arizona Administrative Code (may or may not be some nuances for Associations):

http://www.azsos.gov/rules/arizona-administrative-code

LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By FredS11 on 03/26/2015 4:05 PM
Where is section 4-7002

This rings no bells with me.

Title 4 of the statutes deals with alcoholic beverages and stops long before reaching 7002.

The format of "4-7002" does not conform to that used by the Arizona Administrative Code.

I am in the dark with this one.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
I think Tim has found the answer. At least, it makes sense.

Keep in mind that there are many different purposes for non-profit corporations. An HOA is just a subset of non-profs. The legislature has given non-profits in general the authority to conduct email meetings but has yanked that carpet out from under HOA's who must hold open meetings.

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