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IainW (Virginia)
Posts: 1
Posted:
Hi,

We are a smallish community in VA. We face several critical issues but are completely hamstrung by past management and HOA responsibilities (I'll clarify that in a moment).

Essentially I am trying to find out if an y HOA in VA dissolved and the basic hurdles that we will face.

The issues:

Small board, minimal volunteers and while all professional and intelligent we are not equipped to address the complexities of managing an ailing community.

HOA owns and is responsible for:

- ALL infrastructure (Roads, Pool and pool house, ALL storm drainage infrastructure.
- Snow removal.
- General maintenance (complex landscaping in an heavily wooded hilly community)

WE are generally in OK financial health. After spending 5 years addressing financial shortfalls, and a previous 20yrs of financial mismanagement, we got to a position where we were ready to re-pave all roads as the final step in a long term upgrade schedule and maintain our state required reserve.................

AND THEN

Our lovely city decided to sock us with a citation to repair water runoff and storm drainage (a system that their city planner approved 40 yrs ago). Now, it should be stated repairs are needed, but why did it take getting in to this state for the city to cite us (with no prior warning). The damage is extensive but has built up over years and our bi annual reserve studies gave no indication of major works needed.

So we are now faced with upwards of $400,000 of major works, plus roads ($300k's work).....this will wipe out reserves and instigate a very heavy HOA assessment to stay solvent.

Now, we pay a reasonable tax rate, but generally more $$$s that others in the city who receive all services and maintenance whereas we receive only trash. And generally we are ok with this. However the city has stated that we will face fines in the $25k+ range yearly until repairs are done and if we are not quick enough the city will do the work and charge us.

We face 3 options:

- Take the hit spend 5 more years recovering and continue pay taxes for zero city support.
- Push back, let them do the work, and force the HOA in to insolvency
- Proactively dissolve the HOA, re-deed the land and have the city assume responsibility (and use 40yrs of tax revenue to do what needs to be done)

We really want to get this done right and there are lot's of really good and caring people both on the city and HOA side, but the whole situation is untenable and to a degree unfair to both HOA, Members (and a little bit) the city.

Any thoughts on the dissolution aspect would be welcomed.

Thanks

KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Welcome to HOATalk, Iain. I'm sorry you're in such a bind.

You'll most likely get some wise responses, but if you're incorporated, you might review VA corporations codes to see a bout dissolving your (non profits, I assume) corporation. But your won documents, perhaps your CC&Rs, might also deal with the subject.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
Hi Iain

You presume that if the HOA becomes insolvent or the land gets redeeded, the current liability goes away. Unlikely.

More likely that liens can be put on your individual homes.

One option that you didn't mention was taking out a long term loan - Over the long haul you may be ok, but not when the expenditures need to be made immediately.

Suggest you get professional advice.

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TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Iain,

In the big picture, the issue with storm water management (SWM) is actually coming from the EPA. The EPA will fine States that fail to maintain storm water management systems. The State pushes down to the County level. Each County handles it differently. I live in Fairfax County and per a 2014 newspaper article Fairfax County is looking to take on some of the stormwater management systems HOAs are responsible for. Unfortunately, it appears that your County is not. It also appears that your County has pushed the issue down to the cities.

There may be grants available to assist in maintaining your SWM systems. Check your City or County's stormwater management website.

Now, to answer your question - There have been Associations that declared bankruptcy when large debts were due. The most recent one was Olde Belhaven HOA. However, since the city has already threatened to collect from the property owners directly, I'm not sure that even that would help. That would be something to ask your Attorney. You simply may be stuck with having to defer your road maintenance and adjust your Reserves and Assessments so both can be properly maintained from the Reserves.

To dissolve an Association the following would need to occur:

1) Arrange for the removal, sale or transfer of common elements.

Common area land could be subdivided and sold to each homeowner. Then that individual homeowner would be responsible for maintaining the SWM systems on their property.

Same thing with playgrounds and pool, simply remove the equipment. OR donate the playground to the City/County/other non-profit as a public park/public pool (however, that may increase traffic in the area.

Roads could still be maintained by a new Private Road agreement (vs an HOA) or donate them to the City/County (but the city/county would also have to agree to take them - which won't always happen).

2) Vote to abolish or amend the CC&Rs to remove the existance of the HOA and/or amend them to become a private road agreement (attorney needed here).

3) Vote to dissolve the corporation known as HOA,Inc.

4) Create a new corporation to manage the private road funds (with new bylaws, etc.)

As you can see, it can happen but it isn't easy. It also may be just as expensive, if not more, than dealing with the issue you currently face.

Some Associations will dissolve the corporation or let the corporation be administratively dissolved by the State. However, that doesn't dissolve the actual Association. To dissolve the Association, you need to dissolve or amend the deed restrictions.

Note: There may or may not be legal challenges by the city to dissolving the Association. As they likely approved the development providing an Association was created.

I know that this isn't what you wanted to hear. Hope it helps.

Oh, you can always negotiate with the city and, perhaps, if the city sees repairs happening and a plan in place they will hold off any financial penalties.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Iain, I know you're hoping to get the city to accept the HOA so that they'll be responsible for the repairs but realistically why should they? The best you can hope for is that they will AFTER everything is brought up to snuff. I know you feel this is unfair and not knowing all the particulars, I'll even agree. But as they say life is unfair. Whatever your Board decides, I urge them to get and follow competent legal advice. Self-help in this case can and will bite you in the butt and in the wallet.

Tim provided excellent advice: There may be grants available to assist in maintaining your SWM systems. Check your City or County's stormwater management website.

In addition I would contact your state and federal representatives to see if other help is available.

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DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By IainW on 03/25/2015 2:03 PM

- Push back, let them do the work, and force the HOA in to insolvency
- Proactively dissolve the HOA, re-deed the land and have the city assume responsibility (and use 40yrs of tax revenue to do what needs to be done)

The city might not be willing to accept responsibility. If you do attempt to dissolve the HOA, I see a couple of possible outcomes in addition to what's already been mentioned so far:
1) A judge decides the HOA doesn't go away and appoints a receiver to run it. The receiver will make whatever assessments are needed to do the work done and collect a healthy fee on top of that.
2) The city agrees to take things over and create a special taxing district to pay for both the major work and ongoing maintenance.
Neither of these occurrences would likely cost the homeowners less than keeping the HOA as is and just assessing the required amounts.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.

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