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NicoleO1 (California)
Posts: 181
Posted:
It has been reported that we have an owner owner who seems approach vendors with issues regarding the HOA and slightly harassing them for what he considers poor workmanship. This owner has not had any communication to the board or PM, but there have been several reports and one witnessed interaction where he was going off about repairs not being correctly to a vendor who was working on a large project. Our more recent report is he approached a vendor in who was repairing something in the garage and complained it's been 4 weeks since he saw this issue.. and some other items.
Communicatoin to the owner is futile one to one, he clearly dislike the board, no matter who is on it that is the history here. However the actions from him are a little concerning. While the HOA can't police him, he is making the work environment here uncomfortable for some of our known vendors. Our CCR's and documents do not address this,
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Nicole,

I am not sure if CA has a similar provision but in AZ we have available an "Injunction to Prohibit Harassment." These are issued by the justice courts, the municipal courts, or the superior court and without charge. To have one issued you need to fill out an application and describe what the person is doing to cause you or others grief. There is no charge for the injunction and the sheriff or police department will serve it for free.

Initially it takes about an hour to file the application but you will have to come back if the respondent requests a hearing. Historically, the courts usually issue the injunction based entirely on the application and very few injunctions are quashed after a hearing, if one is requested.

These are great for dealing with unreasonable people who do not understand the meaning of the word No." If they violate the terms of the injunction they get hauled off to jail.

NicoleO1 (California)
Posts: 181
Posted:
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Posted By LarryB13 on 03/23/2015 12:51 PM
Nicole,

I am not sure if CA has a similar provision but in AZ we have available an "Injunction to Prohibit Harassment." These are issued by the justice courts, the municipal courts, or the superior court and without charge. To have one issued you need to fill out an application and describe what the person is doing to cause you or others grief. There is no charge for the injunction and the sheriff or police department will serve it for free.

Initially it takes about an hour to file the application but you will have to come back if the respondent requests a hearing. Historically, the courts usually issue the injunction based entirely on the application and very few injunctions are quashed after a hearing, if one is requested.

These are great for dealing with unreasonable people who do not understand the meaning of the word No." If they violate the terms of the injunction they get hauled off to jail.


That is very powerful.. Thank you so much. I will research here. thank you again!
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
If you can PROVE that this is not mere rumor, your board needs to write a letter from the president on behalf of the board directing this owner to stay away from your vendors and not attempt to direct them in any way. The wording of the letter should be crafted in executive session and a vote taken to send this owner the letter certified mail return receipt requested. Record all of this in your ex. sess. minutes.

Or you PM can send the letter making sure that the Board directed the PM to send it.

The reason you want this on the record is in case one of these vendors decides to sue your HOA for condition that create a hostile workplace environment, which the vendor might claim was so uncomfortable that s/he had to quit working on your premises thereby losing wages, etc.. If race/ethnicity is involved, a claim against you can be even more serious.

But if your Board is on record of sending the letter and following up if need be with additional letters, you should be able to show that you tried to prevent the "hostile workplace."

What we did about 5 years ago was vote on a new rule that corroborated instances of residents harassing onsite staff or vendors would result in an immediate call to hearing and the possibility of a $100 fine. The fine can be doubled if the behavior is repeated. We've had one incident when we did call someone to a hearing.

If you have a web site or newsletter, you could try a softer approach first reminding residents that vendors need to be able do their assigned jobs without interruption, etc.

The big problem with your previous one-on-one attempt is that there's no Board oomph behind it, and it's is NOT on the record.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Nice, Larry!! Don't know if we have that here in CA
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
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Posted By KerryL1 on 03/23/2015 1:08 PM
Nice, Larry!! Don't know if we have that here in CA

People seriously annoying other people is far too common. I think most states have some provision in either the statutes, common law, or rules of the courts for issuing low-level injunctions. Boyfriends harassing old girl friends is fairly common and municipal or equivalent courts usually have some means for trying to keep the parties separated without making a federal case out of it.

I forgot that AZ also has a similar injunction to prohibit workplace harassment.

If you are curious about similar injunctions that may be available your local municipal court might be a good place to start. I think in some places they are called "peace bonds" because the offender may be required to post a small bond to keep out of jail.

KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
We don't have an issue, but this is good for Nicole to know. Maybe start with a stern letter for the board as a whole, that lets the owner know they can take further steps if the vendors aren't able to do their jobs because of interfering residents.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
We don't have an issue, but this is good for Nicole to know. Maybe start with a stern letter for the board as a whole, that lets the owner know they can take further steps if the vendors aren't able to do their jobs because of interfering residents.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Nicole,

The vendors should be instructed to reply to any member, politely, that they are doing as instructed by the Board and please address questions or issues to them.

The Board should establish a point of contact, if they don't already have one, for vendor complaints, concerns & compliments.

The Board should also publicize, if practical, when things are going to be done and that concerns are to be addressed to the Board.

Once these are established, the Board should then follow normal notifications to the member - in writing - to cease and desist contacting vendors directly while giving the member the opportunity to bring the issue to the Board. If letters do not work, then your attorney should write one on the Boards behalf. If the letter from the attorney does not work, then you seek an injunction as Larry suggested. To prove the need for the injunction - you have all of your letters and statements from the vendors.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
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Posted By LarryB13 on 03/23/2015 12:51 PM
Nicole,

I am not sure if CA has a similar provision but in AZ we have available an "Injunction to Prohibit Harassment." These are issued by the justice courts, the municipal courts, or the superior court and without charge. To have one issued you need to fill out an application and describe what the person is doing to cause you or others grief. There is no charge for the injunction and the sheriff or police department will serve it for free.

Initially it takes about an hour to file the application but you will have to come back if the respondent requests a hearing. Historically, the courts usually issue the injunction based entirely on the application and very few injunctions are quashed after a hearing, if one is requested.

These are great for dealing with unreasonable people who do not understand the meaning of the word No." If they violate the terms of the injunction they get hauled off to jail.


Cool Larry. Can you provide a link to the actual provisions. Thanks.

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
The links are as follows:

Injunction to Prohibit Harassment (ARS 12-1809)
http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/12/01809.htm&Title=12&DocType=ARS

Injunction to Prohibit Workplace Harassment (ARS 12-1810)
http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/12/01810.htm&Title=12&DocType=ARS

JerryD5 (Colorado)
Posts: 218
Posted:
We have it in our CC&Rs that no homeowner will intervere with the PM, their employees or personnel doing work on behalf of the association. We have only had 1 close call when our landscaping company was applying weed control and one homeowner went nuts when she perceived they went too far with the application. Most of our vendors and their employees know enough not to respond to confrontations. They back off and call a supervisor.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
We had an issue with out last landscaping company. One homeowner "went off" on one of the landscaping crew. The crew did not speak English. They got nervous and left the site. They called the Property Manager. The "neighbor" is well known to us as one of our CCO's. The PM called and spoke with the homeowner and told him if it happened again the PM was going to file some type of a law suit. The CCO backed off. The crew resumed work the next day.

Our new landscaping company/crew all speak english and they have been informed if they feel any owner is harassing them, they are to tell the owner to please call the PM. They have been told not to discuss anything with any owner.

KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Oh, yes, Tim and others thanks for the reminder how vendors need to be instructed, and the reminder to H/Os that express any concerns about the quality of work to the PM or Board.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
Made me laugh: Our landscapers service all grounds (HO owned and common). A HO called to complain that when she asked a landscape worker to take care of something behind her house a certain way, he promised to come back later. She was upset that he never came back. In the words of a compatriot: "D'OH."

Can't control this from happening. Will never educate some HOs.

On the other hand, all of our vendor contracts require that we have the cell phone number of an english-speaking on-site supervisor whenever any workers are on property. If something important does come up, we want it resolved right away.

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.

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