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JonD1
Posts: 2,350
Posted:
A Santa Fe jury late Monday awarded $12 million to the three young sons of an Albuquerque man who was killed by a stray bullet that pierced the front door of his apartment while he was looking through the peep hole at people who were fighting in a common area outside his door.
The jury found that Eagle’s Nest Condominium Association, the owner of the condominium complex where Andrae Davis, 31, died on Aug. 17, 2011, and Roger Cox & Associates Property Management, who helped manage the property, were at fault because they had rules in place to ensure the safety of residents but didn’t enforce them.
Eagle’s Nest was assigned 25 percent of the liability for the award, and the property management company was assigned 45 percent of the liability.
The shooter, who was never apprehended, a neighbor believed to have been the intended target of the attack and the owner of the condo who had rented to the alleged target were each assigned 10 percent of the liability.
The children who will benefit from the award are 8, 4, and 3 years old.

This article appeared in the news section of this site.

Might apply to other hazards.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 163
Posted:
Being this was a Civil trial, I feel confident this will be appealed and the verdict overturned.

Then put the attorneys from both sides in jail. In today's society, and the area it occurred, am I surprised, no.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
I have little faith in the media's ability to accurately report legal matters and I suspect that there was far more to this story than failure to enforce the rules.

Courts in several states have already ruled that a condo has the same obligation to provide security that one would find in a similar apartment complex. That obligation does not depend upon what rules the association may have or whether the association is enforcing their own rules.

Richard points out that, "and the area it occurred, am I surprised, no." I lived in Albuquerque for a short time around 1990 and would have to agree that a lot of criminal activity is no surprise. I think being in a high-crime community increases the association's obligation to provide some level of security rather than diminishes it.

I do not find the jury award especially outrageous considering that there were three young children who apparently witnessed their father being shot to death inside their own home. Each child will go an entire lifetime without a father. Thirty percent of that judgment is virtually uncollectable right off the bat since it is unlikely that either the intended victim or his landlord have insurance sufficient to cover their portion of the judgments. It's anyone's guess as to whether the association has insurance to cover the three million they owe. The same guess about the management company's share of 5.4 million.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By LarryB13 on 03/19/2015 4:41 AM
I have little faith in the media's ability to accurately report legal matters

I work in the media and I support that statement fully. Unfortunately, I have little faith in the media's ability to accurately report anything.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
In the report on the story by the local TV station one of the plaintiffs attorney's said:

“First and foremost, they should have been tenant screening. They allowed a person who had a fake name, a fake id, to be on the property,” said Ben Davis, another attorney for the Davis family. “Turns out, he was likely dealing drugs and got involved in an attack with another drug dealer. It went through the door and killed Andrae Davis.”

We get questions here all the time about screening residents with background checks. I wonder if those were the rules the Association had in place that led to the suit.

RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 163
Posted:
In further research, the property management company was not the HOA management company but rather the management company who does renting and leasing within the complex.

The complaint was they did not screen their tenants thoroughly enough before they moved in.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Thank you for the follow up, Richard. There a huge difference between a PM works for or is under contract with an MC and the HOA, and a property mgr. who just is a renting and leasing agent and has no relationship with the HOA.

I, too, have little faith in media reports about HOAs as the reporters often have no knowledge of what they're writing about!
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,001
Posted:
..... as the reporters often have no knowledge of what they're writing about!


Correct

Because the typical reporter is educated enough to decide not to live in an HOA, therefor having little or no knowledge thereof.
JonD1
Posts: 2,350
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnB26 on 03/21/2015 1:18 PM
..... as the reporters often have no knowledge of what they're writing about!


Correct

Because the typical reporter is educated enough to decide not to live in an HOA, therefor having little or no knowledge thereof.

And if memory serves John you reside in an HOA.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
JohnnyD (New Mexico)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Eagles nest was running a collection agency/theft ring in co-op station with government workers who sell off Sandia foothills to the private investment company that's most likely owns the land the city and their clique is trying to build santolina on
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Johnny,

What is your basis for such a statement (link or web address of news articles, etc.)?
PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JonD1 on 03/21/2015 1:59 PM
Posted By JohnB26 on 03/21/2015 1:18 PM
..... as the reporters often have no knowledge of what they're writing about!


Correct

Because the typical reporter is educated enough to decide not to live in an HOA, therefor having little or no knowledge thereof.


And if memory serves John you reside in an HOA.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I had no knowledge BEFORE I bought into a HOA.

I learned the hard way.

Never again would I buy in to a HOA.

I actually believed I was protected by the Constitution.

I knew not that I could contractually waive my rights.

CAVEAT EMPTOR
JohnnyD (New Mexico)
Posts: 2
Posted:
How about. I remember how the city stole off the Sandia foothills because nuh. How about because I also witnessed the goings on at eagles nest. How about the city landzowners pose at eagles nest being the centre of a investigation and coincedently before they got sued. Well looky their. The city land owners private investment company just landed the santolina deal. Get it. Over 200 cameras and a very active anticrime crime ring at eagles nest when the death happened
BobD4 (up north)
Posts: 1,002
Posted:
Is it somehow possible that JonD1 (New York) Posts:1987 could be JohnnyD
(New Mexico) Posts:2 ?
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Interesting, BobD, but Jon's writing style is nothing like JohnnyD's. I do notice that JohnnyD uses the Canadian/British way of spelling "center." So maybe JohnnyD really is from further Up North than Jon of NY?
BobD4 (up north)
Posts: 1,002
Posted:
KerryL1 (California) : " . . . JohnnyD uses the Canadian/British way of spelling "center." So maybe JohnnyD really is from further Up North than Jon of NY ?"

Very observant. JohnnyD's literary style immediately reminded me of some of my county mates here. But isn't New Mexico closer to California than to the Great Igloo ? His crime insights : is he old enough to be the same "JohnnyD" who had a very rough night out at the movies on a July 22 1934 ?
PamM6 (Michigan)
Posts: 41
Posted:
Since you're trying to figure out who everyone is, could Tim be Tim Kelley on the Media and Communications Team in Suffolk Va? Just askin' ya no.

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