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WalterM3 (Georgia)
Posts: 442
Posted:

Okay, what do ya’ll think of this? The “Best Practice” in our HOA has been that all financial outlays are discussed and approved by the Board of Directors. If there is a special circumstance, an Action Without Meeting can be held and any action that may be transacted at a regular meeting may be done “offline”, by e-mail usually. And the e-mail sent by the Board member acts as a signed “consent” to the Action. Actions of course are approved by majority vote.

What has always happened in the past is that disbursements of HOA funds have always been approved this way – by a majority of the Board members approving the disbursement. But do you think that the president or other officer can approve payment of invoices without a majority vote? The closest thing I see in our Bylaws isn’t really very close:

“In addition to the duties imposed by these By-Laws or by any resolution of the Association that may hereafter be adopted, the Board of Directors shall have the power to perform and be responsible for any and all functions necessary or proper for the administration and operation of the Development, unless otherwise particularly and specifically given to the membership.”

So it might be –proper—that a majority approve outlays, but is it required?

Thanks,

Walt
WalterM3 (Georgia)
Posts: 442
Posted:

I think I found my own answer in our By-Laws:

"Without limiting the foregoing, the President shall have the authority to sign, with the Secretary or any other proper officer of the Association authorized by the Board of Directors, any contracts, deeds, notes mortgages, bonds, policies of insurance, checks, or other instruments which the Board of Directors has authorized to be executed, except in cases where signing or execution thereof shall be expressly delegated by the Declaration or these By-Laws or the Board of Directors to some other officer or agent of the Association, or shall be required by law to be otherwise signed or executed."

The key phrase is: "...which the Board of Directors has authorized..."

So a majority of the Board must approve payments to employees, vendors and others. That is the way I read it.

Walt
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,001
Posted:
what do your bylaws say in relation to the function of the treasurer ?

surely you do not require a BOD vote to pay every electric bill !
WalterM3 (Georgia)
Posts: 442
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Posted By JohnB26 on 03/10/2015 1:04 PM
what do your bylaws say in relation to the function of the treasurer ?

surely you do not require a BOD vote to pay every electric bill !

The management company pays the day to day bills.

ARTICLE VI
Managing Agent

The Board of Directors shall employ a Management Agent or a Property Manager for the Association (the "Managing Agent") at a rate of compensation established by the Board of Directors to perform such duties and services as the Board of Directors shall from time to time authorize in writing. Any Management Agreement entered into by the Association shall provide that such Agreement may be terminated with or without cause either party upon thirty (30) days written notice thereof to the other party. The term of any such Management Agreement shall not exceed one (1) year; provided, however, that the term of any such Management Agreement may be renewable by mutual agreement of the parties for successive one (1) year periods.

The By-Laws outline the Treasurer's duties:

Section 8. Treasurer. The Treasurer shall have the responsibility, together with any management agent retained by the Association, for the Association's funds and securities and shall be responsible, together with such agent, for keeping full and accurate financial records and books of account showing all receipts and disbursements, for preparing all required financial statements, for preparing and executing all checks payable by the Association and for the deposit of all monies and other valuable effects in the name of the Association in such depositories as may from time to time be designated by the Board of Directors. The Treasurer shall in general, perform all duties incident to the office of the treasurer of a corporation organized in accordance with Georgia law and such other duties, as from time to time, may be imposed upon him by the Board of Directors or by the President.

But you make a good point. Thanks.

Walt

JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,001
Posted:
..... for preparing and executing all checks payable by the Association .....


for preparing = writing / filling out

executing = signing

I would NOT have the management company actually disbursing funds.

They may, IMO, prepare the check for the treasurer's signature, but, should NOT be an authorized signature with your bank.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Walter,

For us, if it's a payment is related to an existing contract then the expenditure has already been approved when the contract was approved. As for normal bills (taxes, utilities, bank fees, etc.) then the Treasurer simply pays the bills. We also consider normal administrative items (envelopes, printing of newsletters, postage) as normal bill. Anything else needs approval. However, we will often approve our maintenance Officer to spend up to $xxxx for tree trimming vs. seeking approval every time a tree needs pruned.

On a side note, it's typical that action without meetings require unanimous approval. A simple majority normally isn't enough.
WalterM3 (Georgia)
Posts: 442
Posted:

"On a side note, it's typical that action without meetings require unanimous approval. A simple majority normally isn't enough."

Under GA law, all the Board members don't even have to be notified of an Action Without Meeting. Which is freaky.

"Section 7. Action Without A Meeting. Any action by the Board of Directors or by any committee appointed by the Board of Directors required or permitted to be taken at any meeting may be taken without a meeting if, prior to such action, one or more written consents describing the action taken are signed by no less than a majority of the members of the Board of Directors or of such committee, as the case may be. Such written consent or consents shall be filed with the minutes of the proceedings of the Board of Directors or of the appropriate committee and such consent or consents shall be treated for all purposes as a vote at a meeting . Action taken under this provision is effective when the last Director or committee member signs the consent, unless the consent specifies a different effective date."

I am now advised that the president of the Association is stepping down at the Annual Meeting which is Wednesday next. He had said he was staying another year.

So I like to think it is because of my actions, but I doubt if he will tell me.

Walt

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
We operate differently. Our Management Company pays all our bills.

Our dues are collected Quarterly via a national bank lock box system. The money is forwarded to the MC. The BOD gets a monthly statement from the lockbox bank, the MC, and a collection law firm. The BOD has the ability to stop the lockbox payments to the MC with a simple "code phrase" phone call. Each BOD Member (5) gets copies of all financial statements including a deliquent dues list. We also have some past dues under collection and we get a monthly statement from the law firm plus the same shows up in the MC's monthly financial. The President and Treasurer review all statements and present our findings to the BOD. The BOD maintains a small checking account ($500) for odds and ends. The BOD also control the Reserves in Money Market. We periodically have the MC transfer excess funds to the Reserve account.

Our largest expenditure (40%) is landscaping and if that was not being paid on time (monthly plus any major expense event) we would hear about it post haste from the landscaper. Our 2nd largest expenditure is the MC. The 3rd expense is utilities. All easy to check on as current.

Could our MC beat us out of money? Of course they could as could any system because cheaters cheat. You cannot prevents embezzlement. About the best you can put in place cross checks to stop it ASAP.

Hope I was clear in my explanation.

JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,001
Posted:
My CCR's require full fidelity bonds for all signatories.

We have 3 at any given time to reduce cost of said bond.

NOT 'theft' insurance, but actual fidelity bonding - the issuing co. does the criminal b/g checking - cheap @ $450 per year (total for all 3).
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
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Posted By JohnB26 on 03/16/2015 10:20 AM
NOT 'theft' insurance, but actual fidelity bonding - the issuing co. does the criminal b/g checking - cheap @ $450 per year (total for all 3).


Way cheap John. $450 for how much coverage?

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,001
Posted:
250K

in a few years we will need more, so we will have to pay 2X
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
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Posted By JohnB26 on 03/17/2015 3:50 PM
250K

in a few years we will need more, so we will have to pay 2X


Will check to see what we are paying for $245k. We chose that amount to stay under the $250k limit where bonding would be necessary. We were told by our insurance agent that the cost would be about the same.

We did not want bonding because it required personal signatures by each board member guaranteeing the HOA against loss - We felt that it is hard enough to recruit board members as it is - and personal guarantees would just make it harder to get volunteers.

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
NigelB (Texas)
Posts: 254
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Posted By JohnC46 on 03/16/2015 8:04 AM
We operate differently. Our Management Company pays all our bills.

Our dues are collected Quarterly via a national bank lock box system. The money is forwarded to the MC. The BOD gets a monthly statement from the lockbox bank, the MC, and a collection law firm. The BOD has the ability to stop the lockbox payments to the MC with a simple "code phrase" phone call. Each BOD Member (5) gets copies of all financial statements including a deliquent dues list. We also have some past dues under collection and we get a monthly statement from the law firm plus the same shows up in the MC's monthly financial. The President and Treasurer review all statements and present our findings to the BOD. The BOD maintains a small checking account ($500) for odds and ends. The BOD also control the Reserves in Money Market. We periodically have the MC transfer excess funds to the Reserve account.

Our largest expenditure (40%) is landscaping and if that was not being paid on time (monthly plus any major expense event) we would hear about it post haste from the landscaper. Our 2nd largest expenditure is the MC. The 3rd expense is utilities. All easy to check on as current.

Could our MC beat us out of money? Of course they could as could any system because cheaters cheat. You cannot prevents embezzlement. About the best you can put in place cross checks to stop it ASAP.

Hope I was clear in my explanation.


I was elected to our HOA board last November and became the Prez in December. This community has been in existence since 2008 and in 2012 control passed from the developer to the community. Since 2008, the same management company has been handing things for the HOA. In looking at the financials I determined that the HOA had operated in the same way you describe, with the Management Company collecting assessments, paying bills, handling collections and deed restrictions.

The problem as I saw things was that all the board got was a monthly and quarterly summary of bills in various categories (landscaping, repairs, maintenance etc). The only people who actually saw the invoices for billing were the property manager and the folks in the MC responsible for paying bills.

In February I got access to the bill paying system where I could see the invoices, see the check register etc. But that still did not give me any permission to approve or reject a billing - this is done by the Management Company. Without director oversight, we are not only in violation of our governing documents which specify who can sign checks, but it also opens the system up to potential abuse and fraud.

There is nothing to prevent a company (Landscape for example) submitting an additional bill for repairs and getting it paid. When I began reviewing the invoices I noticed there had been credit card payments made for the previous 6 months. In asking the remaining director I discovered that the board had authorized a cc for the property manager to pay small bills and necessary items. As they had no access to the payment system, they were unable to see that the card had been used to rack up nearly $4000 in charges. Charges which turned out to be for the personal benefit of the PM (flat screen tv, laptop computer, food, gift cards etc, and had been hidden in the monthly summaries as being repair expenses.

The PM was fired and the MC reimbursed the association for the fraudulent purchases. I've turned over the file to our local law enforcement department.

The MC has promised that the directors will be given the appropriate permissions to approve any invoice that is paid out of our accounts - but as of this date none has been given.

It is very important that those of us who are entrusted with the care of association funds provide adequate oversight over their expenditure.

I'd opine that if a Management Company does not include members of the board in the approval process for payment of bills from association funds, the the board needs to find another Management Company.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 163
Posted:
My management company cuts vendors checks twice each month 15th and 30th, with the exception of utility bills and insurance invoices with are all on auto-pay.

Our procedure is that all invoices are inputted into our software, with the invoice actually digitized for future use and storage. On the 14th a Payment Authorization Report is uploaded to the association's individual web portal with the scanned copies of invoices attached. An email is sent to the entire Board and the designated officers will authorize payment. We have the digitized signatures of the designated officers uploaded into the software. the checks are cut and digitally signed. All this within a couple of days.

We have on file a signed Board Resolution from each association from a duly, noticed open Meeting and recorded in the minutes.Copies of all auto-pays are posted on their web portals within 10 days of the close of a month with their monthly packets, which may consist of up to 300 pages depending on the size of the activity of the association. Every little detail that went on in the community is recorded, work orders, homeowner communications, security reports, bank statements, reserve studies, you name it.
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,001
Posted:
We did not want bonding because it required personal signatures by each board member guaranteeing the HOA against loss - We felt that it is hard enough to recruit board members as it is - and personal guarantees would just make it harder to get volunteers.


The personal signature is merely a promise to the bond issuer of restitution should a court not award same. It does NOT effect a non criminal or other person.

NON ISSUE

however, there WILL be a criminal b/g check of potential 'bondees'

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