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BarbS2 (Florida)
Posts: 3
Posted:
I had read in our local newspaper some time ago an article written by a law firm who handles HOA problems. It made reference to the fact that there must be a specific committee for Compliance and that the Manager/Maintenance employee of an HOA cannot make this determination. Is there such a ruling? OR - can the Manager submit the compliance problems to the committee for their final opinion before letters are mailed to homeowners? Would appreciate a ruling on this please.
BarbS2 (Florida)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Neglected to state this HOA is in Florida.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
It depends on what your contract says with the Management company. Some HOA's want the management company to handle these issues. Which if they do, then they have to put it in the contract. However, a Management company should only do what the HOA tells them to do and final approval.

Many HOA's get into the "blurred lines" area with their management company. HOA's are typically run by volunteers with little or no experience. They are not paid and not professionals. Which leads to the blurred lines as most of these type people just want the Management company to do the work. They don't understand the relationship as many don't.

Yes, and no the MC can enforce restrictions if they are agreed to do so.

Former HOA President
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Barbara

I always tell myself to stay away from CA and FL association stuff, but here goes. When you say compliance I am assuming you mean following the Covenants/Bylaws. etc.

Most docs do not call for the establishment of specific committees. Typically committees generally serve at the pleasure of the BOD. If there is a dispute with a committee's ruling, the final arbitrator is the BOD not the committee.

In our HOA as much as we try to establish committees, they usually go unfilled as people do not want to volunteer thus the BOD ends up handling most everything. If we get a notice of complaint we will undertake investigating the complaint regardless of who notified us.

So to directly answer your question. It is my belief that anybody (employees, management company, etc.) can register a complaint to the BOD and the BOD will decide if it is valid and take the appropriate action be there a committee or not.

BarbS2 (Florida)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Well - when the builder turned over the HOA to the community, we never used the Management Company for Compliance and we had a committee of residents who handled that. But in the last 5 or 6 years, that has changed and the Manager & Maintenance person make the decision as to who is not in compliance either for power washing or other pertinent maintenance. By the way, the Manager is only a part-timer and only available a few hours a day. Presently, we do have a Compliance Committee but they do not do inspections at all - perhaps the Manager runs the complaints by them.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Say, Barb, I hope someone form FL will respond. I've read here previously that FL requires Compliance Committees in HOA.

One question seems to be: what is the procedure? Does an owner, or a board member or the manager REPORT ALLEGED violations to the Committee? And then the Committee checks to confirm if a violation exists?

And if the Compliance Comm. finds there is a violation, it calls the alleged violator to a hearing? And after that the CC makes a decision?

I do not believe that FL actually lets a manager or maintenance person decide whether the violator should be fined or whoever. I'm thinking that only the CC or the board can make that decision.

I think the confusion is around the word "decide." Are you saying, Barb, that the manager would actually be the judge--would "decide"-- in these cases?

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Barb,

Per FL 720.305 (2):

(b)A fine or suspension may not be imposed without at least 14 days’ notice to the person sought to be fined or suspended and an opportunity for a hearing before a committee of at least three members appointed by the board who are not officers, directors, or employees of the association, or the spouse, parent, child, brother, or sister of an officer, director, or employee. If the committee, by majority vote, does not approve a proposed fine or suspension, it may not be imposed. If the association imposes a fine or suspension, the association must provide written notice of such fine or suspension by mail or hand delivery to the parcel owner and, if applicable, to any tenant, licensee, or invitee of the parcel owner.

It is typical for a MC or PM to make the initial warning. If there are fines, it's also typical for the MC or PM to be the one to inform you of your right to a hearing and, perhaps, the outcome of the hearing. It's up to you to inform the Association, typically through the MC or PM, that you desire to exercise your right. If you don't want a hearing, then there is no need to have a committee to hold the hearing.

Keep in mind that I am not an attorney and I do not work in the legal profession. FL has some unique statutes that apply to Associations and it may take the advice of a local attorney to help you understand your rights and the Associations responsibilities.

As others have said, hopefully someone from FL who has a better understanding of those statutes will respond.

Hope this helps,

Tim
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Ah, Tim, your citation should help Barb a lot. For one thing (tho' I'm not in the legal professions either), FL HOA's vendors or employees may not make this decision. As Tim also points out and as is the case in my HOA, managers, etc. can report an alleged violation.

And it might be part of the manager's contract to send our letters or warnings or violations notices as in my HOA. But in FL, it appears that only the Compliance Comm. can DECIDE whether to approve a fine, suspension, etc. The manager might be the one, as in my HOA, who sends the owner the Committee's decision.

Hoping that someone from FL will reply: Is this Committee a standing Committee? Or is a new Committee appointed for each violation (which sounds goofy)?

(In CA, though, the Board fills this function.)
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,001
Posted:
Tim has spoken.

The question has been definitively answered.

Enough said
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
John,

I believe you meant to say that Tim has spoken, so verify what he has said as he may not know what he is talking about.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Our Management Company sends out violation/fine letters and follows up on them. The letters are generated when requested by our BOD or ACC Committee. Our MC does not roam the neighborhood looking for violations. If one wants to appeal, they appeal to the BOD.
JerryD5 (Colorado)
Posts: 218
Posted:
Our MC also does property inspections (every other week per our contract) and sends out violation letters. They are also required to investigate complaints by other homeowners if a violation is reported. Initial violation letters are sent with follow ups if the action is not corrected within 10 days. However, the board holds violation hearings (we have only had 1 in 8 years) and approves any fines. I am glad we do not have a compliance committee and I am really glad the board doesn't go around looking for violations. I know of some associations that do.

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