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CarolineS (Georgia)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Good Evening!

I am the President of a 228 unit condo complex in Georgia. I apoligize now for the long email.

The builder handed the association over in January. We currently have $93k+ in delinquent dues.

Our Covenant states: “If assessments and other charges or any part thereof remain unpaid more than thirty (30) days after the assessment payments first become delinquent, the Association, acting through the Board of Directors, may institute suit to collect all amount due pursuant to the provisions of the Declaration, the Bylaws, the Act and Georgia law, including reasonable attorney’s fees actually incurred, and suspend the Owner’s and Occupant’s right to vote and the right to use the Common Elements; provided, however, the Board may not limit ingress and egress…” (Declaration of Condominiums, 10.c.iv, pg. 9)

From this we gather that they will be parked illegally if they park in our parking lot -- we are private property, as the county will not pave our parking lot or streets.

It further states: “…If any vehicle is parked on any portion of the Condominium in violation of this Paragraph or in violation of the Association’s rules and regulations, the Board or agent of the Association may place a notice on the vehicle specifying the nature of the violation and stating that after twenty-four (24) hours the vehicle may be towed or booted. The notice shall include the name and telephone number of the person or entity that will do the towing or booting and the name and telephone number of a person to contact regarding the alleged violation. If twenty-four (24) hours after such notice is placed on the vehicle the violation continues or thereafter occurs again within six (6) months of such notice, the Board or agent of the Association may have the vehicle towed or booted in accordance with the notice, without further notice to the Owner or user of the vehicle...” (Declaration of Condominiums, 14.i, pg. 21)

We have spoken with our attorneys and been given the okay to tow, but I wanted to get some ideas of what to expect from someone who has taken this action. We have residents who have threaten to call the police if we tow their cars. I sent a note to the police department and was told "To post signs in the common areas indicating that these areas are for active association members. Maybe in the parking areas also include that violators cars will be towed. Distribute flyers making all residents aware of the covenants and what actions will be taken if they don't comply."

Any thoughts are appreciated!

Thanks!
JonD1
Posts: 2,350
Posted:
Towing cars isn't that involved.

If you want to put a dent in the 93k you are owed then there have to be consequences for those who refuse to settle their accounts.

Do you have assigned or reserved parking? Revoke that parking spot.

If you parking on your private property he have the right to tow vehicles in violation of your rules or regs.

We have towed cars several times.

On our property each unit is limited to 2 vehicles. Any more and they are subject to removal.
They must have a valid inspection, registration and be road worthy.
If not they are tagged and after one week towed.

We have also towed vehicles while doing work on the parking areas resealing or cleaning the lots.

Notices were sent out and some failed to comply. They were towed.

The tow charges run around $100 most people accpet the fact they were at fault and don't put themselves in that situation again.

Over time word has circulated that these rules will be enforced and the frequency of violations has diminished to the point we rarely need to call the tow truck.

MikeS1
Posts: 668
Posted:
Caroline,

You might also want to consider giving the debt over to a collection agency for 60 days. Their collection expenses are in addition to the debt, so we lose nothing and the owner pays penalities. Then after the collections period, consult your HOA attorney about a lien if this is permissible in your state.

Also, your Covenants are very clear. If they go into arrears, then you have the right to suspend their privileges to park in the common area. Are any of the spots deeded or are they all strictly common areas? It this is definately common area, I would recommend that you send each homeowner a final billing notice and restate the relevant section in your bylaws that gives you right to revoke their priviliges. Also give them 'please respond by dates". Since some of them seem to be very deep in arrears, you might want to work them in order to get them current. Then sign the entrance to the property with the proper signage that details that this is an HOA and parking is restricted to residents and guests. Check with your local county and state laws for the exact verbage for the signs. Then find a towing company that does impound towing. Not all towing companies will impound cars. After that, have the impound company tow 1 or 2 cars at around 2-3 am. That's all that it will take. Word will get around.

It's not fair for some of the homeowners to be paying and others not. Good luck.
BradD2 (Florida)
Posts: 418
Posted:
CarolineS, I would be careful doing that. You can be seen as blocking access to the property if you do that.

I don't know your situation or Georgia law but that would not be legal in Florida. In Florida, you are expressly prevented from blocking access and if you required someone to park 1/4 mile away in a dark parking lot I am sure the judge would rule against you. If something happened to the person while going from where they would have to park to their lot then they might sue the Association as well (not saying they would win).
Jadedone4 (Virginia)
Posts: 495
Posted:
I agree... towing (IMHO) should be done to enforce parking or safety issues and not as a step in the collection of past dues/assessments.

What do you accomplish by having a tow...? The owner is then responsible to the towing company for the tow fee, the storage fee, and another applicable fees. Personally, I would rather have that money go to a collection attorney, who can then accelerate to garnishment of wages, etc. Meanwhile with this solution the owner is still able to commute to work, and earn the money to pay the dues.

This is not a free pass (as I am sure someone here will say), it is simply using a "grenade" to get the same intended result - as opposed to dropping a nuke.
LindaC3 (Florida)
Posts: 526
Posted:
provided, however, the Board may not limit ingress and egress…” (Declaration of Condominiums, 10.c.iv, pg. 9)

I would venture to say that you would be in violation of the Declaration by having the vehicle towed.....If you have always parked your vehicle there on the common area it is inferred that is your ingress and egress and the right to access of your property......I really like Jadedone4 approach.....It's easier to use a "grenade" vs a nuke bomb to maybe achieve the same result....It's a shame that your BOD allowed these fees to get so out of hand....Linda C
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
CarolineS:
In quoting your note above...'suspend the Owner’s and Occupant’s right to vote and the right to use the Common Elements; provided, however, the Board may not limit ingress and egress…” (Declaration of Condominiums, 10.c.iv, pg. 9). I would question whether you are actually reading more into this then is stated because you have concluded that they cannot use the parking areas.

The quote above states that the Board cannot limit ingress and egress--the entering and exiting of residents. Further, if a resident who is in arrears is not barred from entering the community, are they not allowed to park?? They can enter but not park, they can only drive around? and around? I'm not sure I agree with your interpretation of the covenant dictates. It does NOT STATE that one late on dues CANNOT use the parking area.

What is stated is...'If any vehicle is parked on any portion of the Condominium in violation of this Paragraph or in violation of the Association’s rules and regulations, the Board or agent of the Association may place a notice on the vehicle specifying the nature of the violation and stating that after twenty-four (24) hours the vehicle may be towed or booted....'. Further, the police are advising you...'To post signs in the common areas indicating that these areas are for active association members.' Again, this may be expanding on the covenant incorrectly.

Before you post signs, and before you remove a resident's vehicle who may be in arrears on dues payment, I would strongly recommend you seek legal counsel to interpret correctly for you. You may be opening the Board/Assn. up for law suits. Further, if there is a gray area with this, I would opt on the side of the resident being able to park.

Your bigger issue with all of this is the fact that you have $93K in delinquent dues. This is what you should be addressing with your management company, and finding a solution for those residents in arrears to pay up. Denying them to park is not the way to do it.
MikeS1
Posts: 668
Posted:
Blocking access or Reasonable accomodation in the case of a handicapped is ALL dependant upon the configuration of the community. In our community this is not a problem since there is a state maintained road that runs right through the middle of the community. In addition, a lot of the homes are garage homes which means that they can still park in their driveway or garage. They just can't park in the visitor spaces or reserved parking spaces. They still have reasonable access to their property. Our bylaws and Articles of Inc have always had the revokation of privileges clause which can be implemented after 60 days. Now that's not how the Board has decided to act on arrearages; however, they could if they wanted to do so. They instead decided to implement this provision once the property is liened for non payment of assessments. Believe me, they don't lien a property unless the arrearages are substantial. Again, this was all done through our PM and our HOA attorney who we have on a retainer. I'm not going to speculate as to how your docs read, but some of the posters here seem to be know how they read. If you're going to do this, go through your attorney and PM.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By PaulM on 05/15/2007 7:01 AM
Your bigger issue with all of this is the fact that you have $93K in delinquent dues. This is what you should be addressing with your management company, and finding a solution for those residents in arrears to pay up. Denying them to park is not the way to do it.

Paul, you hit the nail on the head! Why worry about parking when there is a much more serious problem? Priorities need to be established here!
CarolineS (Georgia)
Posts: 5
Posted:
I thought I had covered everything but evidently not. :o)

Let's see...

The development did not have a previous board, it was handed over to the owners directly from the builder in Jan'07 -- who didn't seem to care if we had the funds needed to continue services after they sold the last unit in Nov'07. The association's attorney (Weissman, Nowack, Curry & Wilco) has placed liens on all the delinquent units and sent numerous collections letters. The Builder never okay'd the filing of suits against the delinquent accounts. We began accepting payment plans in Feb'07 and 73% of them have defaulted. We are in the process of filing suit against those. Our community is shaped like an open top number 4, with a large common parking lot. We do not have assigned parking. We've spoken to the association'a attorney firm (Weissman, Nowack, Curry & Wilco) who gave us the okay to tow. We have five people who are currently using the handicapped parking and only one of them is delinquent but they are making their plan payments.

We don't want to tow cars, but we do not feel people should receive the benefits of services and facilites (we don't have a pool -- only the parking lot and a playground) that they are not paying for.

The most used excuse I have heard in the past 4 months is: "You aren't keeping up the lawn, we don't have flowers and it looks like "*" around here, so why should I pay?" Trying to get them to understand that water, sanitation, landscaping, etc. all cost and without the funds to pay for the services we had to cut back in the "want" areas .vs the needs is like trying to tell my 10yo son why he can't go outside when it's raining. They just don't want to hear it.

We just feel we need to take drastic measures in order to get people to pay. Once we have judgements we plan to notify those owners that their water service will be discontinued...but until then we're at a lose. I think I have a better idea of how people are going to react -- We're just going to get chewed out! :o)

Just gotta keep our spirits & hopes high!
CarolineS (Georgia)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Oh...and YES! We are cutting the grass there just aren't any flowers, new pine straw/mulch and the lawn is not as green as it could be if we could afford fertilizer -- unless I can figure a way to bottle the excuses for not paying.

Thanks!
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Caroline:

Feel your pain, I had a homeowner blast me the other day because he couldn't understand what expenses we would have with operating our HOA and that it is a waste of time, etc. People don't understand where they money goes and what it is used for.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Caroline,
It appears you are doing many things right to encourage owners to pay. My thoughts are:
1) Are homeowners billed monthly and include late charges? If not perhaps this procedure should be instigated.
2) What is the amount of your monthly late charge? Perhaps it needs to be significantly increased.
3) Is there a penalty for defaulting on payment plans? If not why not? If so, it apparently was not enough to discourage defaulting.
4) Is your attorney the same as the Developer used? If so, perhaps you need a change.
5) You apparently did not do a transition audit before homeowner takeover from the Developer's Board. Perhaps doing this could provide additional funds or uncover additional Developer responsibilities.
BradD2 (Florida)
Posts: 418
Posted:
Caroline, I would suggest you find a collections attorney that can help you. Pass a policy that outlines your collections procedure (do searchs here and you can find several). Once that is passed and people are beyond so many days past due hand them over to the lawyer. Several lawyers don't take anything up front and instead collect from the homeowner (adding their fees to what is owed).
JulieS (Georgia)
Posts: 412
Posted:
We use the same law firm and our management company suggested using a different one for the collections portion of the legal stuff. I like this law firm for a lot of other reasons tho.

One of the law seminars I attended, hosted by WNCW, had a segment on collections and one of the things they suggested was shutting off utilities that are paid through the association. If you don't pay your assessment then shut off something, that is what the gas company would do if you didn't pay your gas bill. Look at what is included in the monthly assessment and see what can be turned off.

As for the flowers...there is still time to plant them but we have been under a state wide watering ban that has gotten tighter in the last month.

Our documents allow for a a late fee of 18%, liens on homes at 30 days past due...always willing to work out payment plans. Too bad assessments can't be paid through your mortgage payment like insurance and taxes (I think they do this in FL).

We filed lawsuits last year, won, and still can't collect.
JulieS (Georgia)
Posts: 412
Posted:
If your docs allow for foreclosure....send a letter stating you are preparing to foreclose unless they pay or make & keep payment arrangements.
BradD2 (Florida)
Posts: 418
Posted:
Julie, the Assessments paid through your mortgage are not specifically a Florida thing. I have heard of several large communities that required this at closing from the builder as they used their title company.

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