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StephanieH6 (Virginia)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Can a Board tell a homeowner to remove a AC unit that they placed in their window. Nobody else in the community has an AC unit in their windows because we all have Central air. Our policy regarding architectural controls states.

Conditions (Article VII).

(1) Improvements (Section I). In order to preserve the harmony of external design and location in relation to surrounding structures and topography, no building, fence, sidewalk, or other structure shall be erected, placed, or altered on any portion of the properties, and no alteration of the plans, or exterior appearance of the townhouses shall be made without prior written consent of the Board of Directors of the Association or of an Architectural Control Committee composed of three or more representatives appointed by the Board. The Board , or its designated committee, may bas refusal or approval of plans, location of specifications upon any ground including purely aesthetic considerations, which, in the discretion of the Board or its designated committee, shall see sufficient. In the event the , or its designated committee, fails to approve or disapprove such design and its location within sixty days after plans and specifications have been submitted to, approval will not be required.

It does not state that they can not have a AC Unit so can they? This person never submitted a request to have it, they just put it in the window. When the board asked them to remove it they claim that they need it because they are a brittle diabetic. The board request a letter from there doctor stating they need a AC unit in their window. It took them over 4 months to provide a response from a doctor. Their wrote on a prescription pad which was scanned and emailed to us just saying to allow them to have AC. But, they have central air in their home. Maybe they need to get it fixed or change their windows to more efficient ones. Can we assess them for not taking the unit out of the window? It looks horrible and nobody else does except them and we are afraid others with follow suit.
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,001
Posted:
A properly installed window A/C unit would be a reasonable accommodation.

You have a medical doctor's Rx.

Be done with the issue.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Stephanie,

Isn't this the same issue as your earlier thread, simply being asked a different way?

As I, and many others, posted in the other thread, and as the section you cited states, prior approval is required for exterior changes. A window unit would certainly alter the exterior appearance of the townhouse, which, per your citation, prior approval would be required.

To answer the question you posed in this thread: "Can a Board tell a homeowner to remove a AC unit that they placed in their window?" The answer would be YES, unless they submitted a request and received prior approval before installing the unit.

However, with the additional details you provided - it appears that there is a medical reason for the need for air conditioning. The the Fair Housing Act, reasonable accommodations must be allowed. Thus, the question becomes - what would be reasonable accommodating.

Do they have a working central air conditioning? If they do, an argument could be made that a window unit wouldn't need to be used. If they do not, then a window unit would certainly be accommodating.

The Board may want to run this issue by the Associations attorney for a legal opinion on how to proceed.
The questions to ask should include what would the costs be to win and what would the costs be if the Association loses if the Association wants to take the position that having central air conditioning is enough of an accommodation.

Note: Even if you have to provide reasonable accommodation - the Association should send a letter stating that the accommodation is being made but any exterior change must be completely removed when the need is no longer required.

NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
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Posted By StephanieH6 on 02/21/2015 10:11 PM
The Board , or its designated committee, may bas refusal or approval of plans, location of specifications upon any ground including purely aesthetic considerations, which, in the discretion of the Board or its designated committee, shall see sufficient.

I expect that these are pretty old docs. Docs that say "any grounds including purely aesthetic consideration ... in the discretion of ..." could fail in a courtroom because of vagueness.

Have a somewhat similar situation - HO has central air - but has vented some kind of breathing apparatus out one of the rear windows. Window is open 12 months a year.

Not likely that anyone with central air would do the same.

PITA trying to deal with the issue, largely because it's a rental.

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Our Covenants say:

Air-Conditioning Units. No window a/c units may be installed except as may be permitted by the ACC, but in no event shall a window a/c unit be installed in any dwelling so as to be visible from the front of any lot or any adjoining street.

As each home has its own central a/c system. I doubt no matter how many "doctor letters" we received, would we ever allow such.

JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,001
Posted:
You MUST permit a 'reasonable accommodation' as per Federal Law.

You will have NO CHOICE except compliance.

You are NOT in charge, the law is in charge.

IMO: Your attitude is begging for court directed punitive damages.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
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Posted By JohnB26 on 02/22/2015 1:31 PM
IMO: Your attitude is begging for court directed punitive damages.

unlikely - especially if board takes no action to remove AC.

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,001
Posted:
I meant:

If a director WERE to take action based upon said 'dictator' mentality a court of law would likely render punitive damages after the lawsuit were decided.

The Covenants do NOT, repeat NOT, supersede actual law.

+

Ignorance of the law is no excuse. A reasonable person, exercising good business judgment would be expected to actually follow the law of the land - or get legal advice.

Reasonable Accommodation = What an ordinary person, using ordinary judgment, would consider reasonable.

NOT

What the BOD (or the dotty old timers like me) would like.
JamesG (Connecticut)
Posts: 83
Posted:
A reasonable accommodation does not mean they can do anything that they want. If the AC is medically necessary, it seems to me that a reasonable accommodation is an interior room AC with only the small vents showing in the window. Nothing would be hanging out beyond the wall. The impact on exterior appearance would be small.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnB26 on 02/22/2015 7:30 PM
I meant:

If a director WERE to take action based upon said 'dictator' mentality a court of law would likely render punitive damages after the lawsuit were decided.

The Covenants do NOT, repeat NOT, supersede actual law.

+

Ignorance of the law is no excuse. A reasonable person, exercising good business judgment would be expected to actually follow the law of the land - or get legal advice.

Reasonable Accommodation = What an ordinary person, using ordinary judgment, would consider reasonable.

NOT

What the BOD (or the dotty old timers like me) would like.

Bull..

Reasonable is as reasonable does. Stop busting balls.

CyrstalB (Maryland)
Posts: 457
Posted:
If the home has central AC, why, if the ACC said no window unit would they be violating Fair Housing and ADA? Why would the esthetics of the HOA be tossed aside when the HO already has at his fingertips just what the DR prescribed?
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,001
Posted:
...an interior room AC with only the small vents showing in the window.


that would impose an additional and possibly unreasonable expense as said units actually use conditioned air to cool the condenser coils resulting in their being inefficient

perhaps, as a result of whatever impairment is present, the OP is financially unable to A/C the entire home (turning off vents is NOT practical as it would disrupt design airflow) using an expensive central system

or the unit requires expensive repair or replacement

YOU may be able to breath while awaiting $$$$$$, they may not be able

the creator forbid a person become actually comfortable in their own home

y'all are ******** about a window A/C ?

that is the major issue in your lives ?

sheeeeeeez
CyrstalB (Maryland)
Posts: 457
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnB26 on 02/27/2015 1:34 PM
...an interior room AC with only the small vents showing in the window.


that would impose an additional and possibly unreasonable expense as said units actually use conditioned air to cool the condenser coils resulting in their being inefficient

perhaps, as a result of whatever impairment is present, the OP is financially unable to A/C the entire home (turning off vents is NOT practical as it would disrupt design airflow) using an expensive central system

or the unit requires expensive repair or replacement

YOU may be able to breath while awaiting $$$$$$, they may not be able

the creator forbid a person become actually comfortable in their own home

y'all are ******** about a window A/C ?

that is the major issue in your lives ?

sheeeeeeez

I believe that 99% of the topics discussed here could be classified in such a way as you have implied. It's the nature of the beast. Having said that, I don't believe that anyone here wants anyone else to suffer any more than they do with said disability.

If the HO is not financially able to use his HVAC as intended, then that is on the HO. It cannot fall on the rest of the HOA to accommodate those needs any further.

JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,001
Posted:
good luck in court ... you will need a bucketful
AmandaR2 (South Carolina)
Posts: 566
Posted:
I agree with JohnB, this situation involves a health issue and in court all surrounding facts will be considered, federal laws, doctors notes and the financial ability of the person requesting permission. Some times we just need to be reasonable in situations like this.
CjC
Posts: 210
Posted:
I have actually had a family member who had a medical condition that dictated a separate window unit. We had central A/C and it was needed as an additional filter and cooling for the room. If you try to fight this, I think the courts would look at the medical condition before the aesthetics.
DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
Posted:
Old thread resurrected for spam

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
BenA2 (Texas)
Posts: 1,273
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By n/a on 02/22/2015 1:31 PM
You MUST permit a 'reasonable accommodation' as per Federal Law.

You will have NO CHOICE except compliance.

You are NOT in charge, the law is in charge.

IMO: Your attitude is begging for court directed punitive damages.

It's not that simple. First, neither side has the right to decide what is reasonable. Second, the HOA can require a verification letter stating that the person is disabled and why they need the particular accommodation. An Rx stating, "Betty needs an AC" doesn't cut it.

You don't have to let anyone have anything simply because they claim to have a disability and claim to need an accomodation.

I would ask the owner to have the doctor write a letter that meets the HUD requirements and go from there.
BenA2 (Texas)
Posts: 1,273
Posted:
While some of the advise here is good I think this is a case that you really should consult an attorney or at least the Department of Housing and Urban Development. I believe each state has an office and they should be able to give you advice.

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