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GertrudeC (California)
Posts: 23
Posted:
We have a Board Member that volunteered to serve because others had resigned. He/she was never elected by the Residents. Does that mean we can get rid of him/her without the typical hoops to jump thru when trying to get rid or have step down a Board Member who was elected by regular election. Maybe the Board had the power to appoint this person so they serve with the same safeguards as if elected? I know the procedures for a "real board" (to try and remove) member but seems to me this would be different?
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Gert

Common sense says I should never mess with CA nor FL Association rules, regulations, etc, but here goes:

In many states, one can be appointed to the BOD by the BOD to fill a vacancy. Generally they like any other BOD Member, can only be recalled only by those electing/appointing them.

Elected by the membership to the BOD, then only recalled by the membership.

Elected by the BOD to the BOD, then only recalled by the BOD.

RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 163
Posted:
John is correct, IF appointed by the Board can be fired by the Board.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Yes, I agree with JohnC & Richard. To make sure that your Board can appoint someone to fill vacancies dues to death, resigning, etc., read your governing docs, probably your bylaws.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,044
Posted:
Although the board can remove the appointed Director, the membership likely has ghe right to remove them as well. The procedures for the membership to remove any director would be in your governing documents or applicable State law.

However, don't forget the reason they were appointed, the lack of volunteers. Removing the individual will solve little if the underlying problem still exists. Are you willing to volunteer to serve in that individuals place?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,044
Posted:
Although the board can remove the appointed Director, the membership likely has ghe right to remove them as well. The procedures for the membership to remove any director would be in your governing documents or applicable State law.

However, don't forget the reason they were appointed, the lack of volunteers. Removing the individual will solve little if the underlying problem still exists. Are you willing to volunteer to serve in that individuals place?
WalterM3 (Georgia)
Posts: 442
Posted:

In Georgia, once on the Board, a board member may only be removed by a vote of the members of the Association as a whole.

Walt
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,044
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By WalterM3 on 03/03/2015 1:26 PM

In Georgia, once on the Board, a board member may only be removed by a vote of the members of the Association as a whole.

Walt

Walt,

What the tread was discussing was removal of a Director who was appointed by the Board to fill a vacancy.
In those situations, it's typical that the States corporate laws allow the Board to remove those whom they appointed. This appears to be the same in GA.

Expecting that Associations in Georgia are incorporated as a non-profit (most Associations are, but check to be sure), Corporate non-profit laws would also apply. Although the law defers to the governing documents, GA ยง 14-3-808 does specify that:

(8) A director elected by the board may be removed with or without cause by the vote of two-thirds of the directors then in office; provided, however, that a director elected by the board to fill the vacancy of a director elected by the members may be removed without cause by the members, but not the board; and

(9) If, at the beginning of a director's term on the board, the articles or bylaws provide that the director may be removed for missing a specified number of board meetings, the board may remove the director for failing to attend the specified number of meetings. The director may be removed only if a majority of the directors then in office vote for the removal.

CfD (Virginia)
Posts: 265
Posted:
Is that true in Virginia as well Tim? Once a board approves someone to fill a vacancy, and then decides they don't like the way this appointed board member votes on certain issues, can they then simply vote them back off again?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,044
Posted:
Cf,

My first instinct was to say yes, which means that at some point in time VA had such language in their statutes. However, when I went back to provide a reference for what I was going to say, it appears that that language has changed and VA no longer allows appointed members to be removed by the Directors unless that language is still within your governing documents.

CfD (Virginia)
Posts: 265
Posted:
Ok, now we're on the same page Tim. I think directors can remove an appointed "officer" from their role though, at any time.
WalterM3 (Georgia)
Posts: 442
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By CfD on 03/03/2015 3:25 PM
Is that true in Virginia as well Tim? Once a board approves someone to fill a vacancy, and then decides they don't like the way this appointed board member votes on certain issues, can they then simply vote them back off again?

From our Bylaws created under the laws of Georgia:

"Section 3. Removal of Members of the Board of Directors. At any regular or special meeting of the Association duly called, any one or more of the members of the Board of Directors may be removed with or without cause by a majority of the total membership vote and a successor may then and there be elected to fill the vacancy
created for the term remaining. Any such Director whose removal has been proposed by the Membership shall be given at least ten (10) days' notice of the calling of the meeting and the purpose thereof and shall be given an opportunity to be heard at the meeting . Any member of the Board of Directors who has not attended three (3) consecutive Board meetings, or who has become more than sixty (60) days delinquent in payment of any assessments or charges due the Association, may be removed from the Board by a majority vote of the Board Members present at a Board meeting, a quorum being had.

Section 4. Vacancies. Vacancies in the Board of Directors caused by any reason other than the removal of a Director by vote of the Members shall be filled by a vote of the majority of the remaining Directors at any meeting of the Board of Directors. Each person so selected shall serve for the remainder of the vacating Director's term. Vacancies in the Board of Directors caused by removal of a Director by vote of the Members shall be filled by the Membership in accordance with Section 3 hereof."

Once a board member is appointed, only the membership may remove them.

Under GA law, an officer maybe removed from office by the other officers, but is not removed from the Board thereby.

Walt

WalterM3 (Georgia)
Posts: 442
Posted:
"Special Meetings" under GA law may be called by any two Board members or by petition signed by at least 25% of the membership.

My development has 240 town homes.

Walt
CfD (Virginia)
Posts: 265
Posted:
Agree Georgia law is different Walt.
WalterM3 (Georgia)
Posts: 442
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By CfD on 03/04/2015 4:20 AM
Agree Georgia law is different Walt.

We had a Special Meeting 2.5 years ago and removed 5 Board members of the 7 serving. The other two had moved for the meeting under the By-Laws.

Walt

CfD (Virginia)
Posts: 265
Posted:
Actually, upon looking at your post again it looks like your laws are similar to Virginia's. Believe we are on the same page.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Walter wrote: "Under GA law, an officer maybe removed from office by the other officers, but is not removed from the Board thereby. "

That also is different than most states, Walter. In CA, at least, officers may removed from their office by a majority vote of all directors, not just by other officers. Are you sure that only officers may remove officers, Walter?
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
In SC the BOD (majority of such) can call for an election of Officers anytime they wish. This is how they could "remove" an Officer(s). It is not they are technically being "removed" but they might not be re-elected to an Officer's position. On the other hand, they could be re-elected. Regardless, they are still a Member of the BOD.

In SC:

A Member of the BOD that was elected to the BOD by the owners can only be removed by a recall from the owners. They cannot be removed by the BOD.

A Member of the BOD that was appointed to the BOD by the BOD can be removed by the BOD in addition to being recalled by the owners.

WalterM3 (Georgia)
Posts: 442
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By KerryL1 on 03/04/2015 2:52 PM
Walter wrote: "Under GA law, an officer maybe removed from office by the other officers, but is not removed from the Board thereby. "

That also is different than most states, Walter. In CA, at least, officers may removed from their office by a majority vote of all directors, not just by other officers. Are you sure that only officers may remove officers, Walter?

This exact thing came up on this forum a couple of months ago. No, the officers in GA cannot remove a Board member. Only the members at large may do that as the section I quoted before said.

On this subject our bylaws read:

"Section 3. Removal of Officers. Upon the affirmative vote of a majority of the members of the Board of Directors, any officer may be removed, either with or without cause, and a successor may be elected. Any officer may resign at any time by giving written notice to the Board, the President or the Secretary. Such resignation shall take effect on the date of receipt of such notice or at any later time specified therein , and unless otherwise specified therein, the acceptance of such resignation shall not be necessary to make it effective."

So that person is only removed from their -office-, not the Board.

Walt

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,044
Posted:
Walter,

Keep in mind that, although your governing documents allow the members to remove any Director (which is typical), if the Director is appointed vs. elected GA corporate law also allows the Board to remove those whom they appointed (see earlier link and citation).

So to summarize:

For your Association (as a laypersons understanding of the statute I cited and what you provided)

Director is elected - membership may remove
Director is appointed - membership or Board may remove

KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
S'cuse my above, Walter. I misread your post about removing board officers.

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