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HeathA
Posts: 9
Posted:
Hello all,

I live in an 18 unit townhouse community (3 rows of 6 houses on two roads) with a self-managed HOA. I'm currently serving as a board member. Living in central Virginia we don't get a lot of snow throughout the year but when we do it seems to be enough to shut the city/county down (we received 6-11 inches last night, first real snow of the season). Our community has two private roads/parking lots that connect to a county street.

I'm curious how other HOA's handle snow removal. Do you have contracts for just parking lot/street removal or sidewalks as well? Do you call your snow removal company when snow is coming or do they automatically come out when the snow is at or above X number of inches.

I had a homeowner try to start an argument last night, saying the HOA is responsible for removing snow from sidewalks, and going so far as to say its against the law to not have the sidewalks cleared within 48 hours. I do see this as a liability to the HOA since the sidewalks are part of the common area, but there is no specific mention of snow removal in any of our documents, and these sidewalks are on private property and are not connected to any county streets. In the 3 years I've lived here there has never been any company that removed snow from my community...most homeowners shovel their own sidewalks and just wait for the rest to melt.

This isn't the first time I have been asked about snow removal so I feel this is something the Board should look into, but I want to get your feedback first. This is something that would have to be built into our operating budget, which would increase monthly assessments, so I would like to hear what has worked in the past as well as what has not worked.

Thanks in advance for any information you guys can offer.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
We're a bit further north. Winter temperatures hover around 30 degrees, so ice is a big concern for us.

Streets are plowed and walkways and driveways are shoveled when snow accumulation is 2" or more. Salt on streets and calcium chloride on driveways and walkways whenever there are icy conditions.

We actually do a bit more than our organizing docs require, but we have a significant number of elders who we are concerned about shoveling themselves or falling on the ice.

Contractor emails us industry-specific weather reports and his own action plan on when we can expect his various crews to be on site. We forward this information to our HOs. So far this season, we have probably received around 60 weather updates from our contractor.

We have a 3 year flat-rate contract. In a light season, he makes out. In a heavy season, we make out.


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FredS7 (Arizona)
Posts: 927
Posted:
> its against the law to not have the sidewalks cleared within 48 hours.

In some cities there is a 24 hour regulation. It is the responsibility of the homeowner (for single family houses).

In an HOA- it depends on your documents. If the documents say the association is responsible for snow removal, then it is. If the documents are silent or ambiguous, this would be a decision made by the board.

If your city requires snow removal, either the HOA has to do it or each homeowner gets out his shovel.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
We own the sidewalks and two streets in our community (156 townhouses) and remove snow in those areas, as well the the small driveways in front of the units with garages, but only if we get at least 3 inches of snow. I left the board last year, but I recall our president made most of the calls to have them come out, although that wasn't really necessary last year when we had the "polar vortex" stuff.

Some cities and counties do have ordinances requiring the property owner to remove snow within a certain time after the snowfall ends, so you may want to check your local authorities. If your documents say the association is responsible for sidewalks, you could begin crafting a policy based on the ordinance requirements. To save money, I think you should have homeowners take care of the sidewalks in front of their homes if the snowfall is under 2 or 3 inches and require them to use concrete safe ice melt if they don't want to invest in a shovel. Make sure people know to use it on the sidewalk, not the grass - otherwise you'll have more expenses this spring paying for lawn damage.

Get some bids from at least 3 contractors and be sure to check their references - best to do this in the spring after the weather calms down and by then you'll have a better idea of what the snowfall did this year. I think there are some older conversations on this website on what to look for and what you should expect and ask for in a contract. While you're designing the policy, why not ask homeowners what they'd like to see in a snow removal policy - and if they're willing to pay for it, because their assessments WILL go up some to pay for all this. Good luck!

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JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
I believe the snow must be removed within a specific time is for businesses using public sidewalks, etc. not for private homes. Not sure where an HOA falls.
HeathA
Posts: 9
Posted:
Thanks everybody for the feedback. I checked with the County and there are no regulations regarding snow removal on sidewalks. Driving to work this morning there are some sidewalks that haven't been touched, and these are on public streets.

Our documents say nothing regarding snow removal, so I intend to bring this up in our next meeting. If the association feels this is something we need to budget then we'll do that, but knowing the apathy of the community and most homeowners frowning on increasing assessments I think once a price tag is associated with this most homeowners will opt to take care of their own sidewalks.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
Heath

Will your insurance policy cover you in the event of a slip and fall? Or could you lose coverage because of a failure to clear?

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HeathA
Posts: 9
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Posted By NpS on 02/19/2015 8:07 AM
Heath

Will your insurance policy cover you in the event of a slip and fall? Or could you lose coverage because of a failure to clear?

I believe it will but I'll have to check to be certain. Definitely something for us to check into regardless of the way this all goes.

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