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EmmyR (Florida)
Posts: 12
Posted:
I live in a 55+ community. It appears that certain people have found a loophole around the residency requirements of the community. None of our documents reflect "house sitters". These individuals (age mid 40s) have been jumping around the community for over three years now and it appears that they have more or less become residents. The snowbird owner allows 5 or 6 month house sitting and once that is over, the younger couple rents a place for here in the community for 3 months or more or until the owner says they can move back in as house sitters because they are heading home. The owner is the Aunt of one of the renters.
Last month at our regular Board meeting, the meeting started 5 minutes earlier than it should have and this renting issue was a done deal by the time the actual meeting should have started. The motion was passed with a "one time exemption" without the community's knowledge. Our rules and regs specifically state that at least one member of the renting persons must be 55+. A petition was circulated for a special meeting to address this issue. There were enough petitioner signatures so the meeting did occur - the Board President had the HOA attorney there. The attorney instructed the Board not to answer any questions and told the Board that he was representing the Board. Hmmmm. BTW, the mother of one of the renters is 1st Vice President on the Board and the Aunt is her sister-in-law. In addition, the 1st VP is very tight with 5 of the other Board members. Did I mention the two renters have criminal records?
The petitioners are trying to 1) follow the rules and regs of the HOA, and 2) maintain the 55+ community as just that; a 55+ community. The under age renting issue only came to the spotlight this year because one community member was at the Board meeting when this occurred and was dumbfounded. The news spread like wildfire through the community.
My question is, what recourse does the community have to prevent this from happening again in 5 or 6 months? Are our hands tied? Originally the two lived with their mother (the 1st VP) for a while. Once the release from prison requirements were met (i.e. living with a parent for so many days) the Aunt spoke up and offered her home to them to house sit. The members of the community were passive. We were told this was a temporary situation just until the renters could get on their feet. Three years later they are still not on their feet and now are living in our community as renters.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Emmy welcome and I'm sorry you are having this problem but in reality short of expensive litigation there is very little you can do. Unless your CC&R's prevent people living there under 55 (some do) the default is no more than 20% under 55. And while I agree with you the Board had no right to grant an exemption, in reality all the mother would have to do is rent the unit in her name and allow them as house-sitters. As to the criminal records, unless that is forbidden in your CC&Rs, it doesn't matter.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
Posted:
The other option is more long term, and depends on there being a sizable contingent of other owners who feel the way you. That option is to run for the board next election and have other like minded owners do the same. Campaign before the meeting, line up votes from people who are ready for a change of leadership, and make sure those people come to the meeting and vote.

Once you have a board in place that actually wants this to stop, then you can act to do so.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
AmandaR2 (South Carolina)
Posts: 566
Posted:
EMMY, Other than the fact that these people are in their mid 40s, are these people causing any trouble in your community? If they follow the rules and don't cause disturbances it may not be worth the fight in your case. Are they planning on purchasing the property when they reach to required age?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,063
Posted:
Emmy,

As you are likely aware, and others have pointed out, the Housing for Older Persons Act (HOPA), addresses occupancy and allows for temporary vacancies. If you are concerned about losing HOPA status, as others have said, you may have 20% of the homes/units occupied by persons under 55.

If the issue is that there is a problem with the individuals, regardless of their age, then that issue should be handled through other avenues (like fining the owners for violations of the governing documents, etc.).
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
WOW

Stepping off the deep end here.

Could one of the reasons be that many over 55 do not like the "young ones" running about?

A former golf club of mine hired a young, shapely hostess to seat people. The club got many complaints about her but from women members only. Not one male member complained. Could it have been the "appreciative" stares she got from the male members as she was seating them?

I am just saying........
EmmyR (Florida)
Posts: 12
Posted:
Thank you folks for your thoughts. I agree that this may take time to get resolved. I can only speak for myself when I say that I don't mind the "young ones", but what I do mind is how rules can be bent to satisfy self interest. With regard to the 80/20 split, it seems to be open to interpretation. This Boards' actions do not appear to be in the Community's best interests. I would be curious to see how the BOD would reply to another "young couple" whose background check was less than stellar. I cannot help but feel that if it had not been "this" particular young couple, the issue would have never come up because the vote would have been a resounding NO. Thank you for your insight.
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,001
Posted:
As per HUD:

If the 55+ owner pays the bills and sleeps in the unit on a regular and periodic basis they are considered a resident/occupant and the unit will be compliant.

Only one resident (full or part time) need be 55+.

They do NOT, repeat, NOT need to be either 'full time' or permanent.

e.g. 'snowbirds'

They may have house sitters. Or house guests. Or room mates.

Period.

Your BOD can 'whistle Dixie' all they want, they are in the legal wrong ... and may subject the HOA to large legal expenses.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,063
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By EmmyR on 02/14/2015 7:34 PM

With regard to the 80/20 split, it seems to be open to interpretation.

Well, I provided a link in my earlier posting to HUD's implementation of the act. I thought the document was very clear on the 80/20 split and temporary residency. If you haven't already done so, you may want to take a look at that document (by clicking on the words "Housing for Older Persons Act" in my earlier posting).
EmmyR (Florida)
Posts: 12
Posted:
Good morning and thank you. I fully understand the 80/20 split. I really did not want to get sidetracked by bringing up HUDs act. I have read more on this than I care to mention. I understand about temporary residency. It seems the advice offered about getting new officers on the BOD that feel as many of us do in this community is the answer. I know this will take time but at least this is some direction to navigate.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,063
Posted:
Even if you do replace the Board, the question will become "on what basis could the Board prevent house sitters?"
EmmyR (Florida)
Posts: 12
Posted:
The new Board will not prevent house sitters. I am imagining that the BOD will amend the CC&Rs to be more specific with regard to length of time that is reasonable (I know. Define reasonable. Ok ... 3 to 6 months not to exceed 6 months in one 12 month period) in the Community during which time the house sitters are restricted to one unit per year. Perhaps the BOD will propose a stricter age requirement on these house sitters. Maybe it will propose that the house sitter must be 55+ or as in the case of a couple house sitting, at least one person must be 55+. Remember, the point here is that this is a 55+ community. The board will not prohibit house sitters but definitely must take a more proactive role in overseeing who it's community members are. I feel that 55+ communities exist to provide a safer environment for older people where these residents may live out the rest of their lives without the fear of under age 55 individuals encroaching on their way of life. Why would a younger person want to house sit in a designated older community anyway? Because older folks are more vulnerable and less apt to be able to defend themselves and their property. Since some CC&Rs can enforce what color I paint my house or whether or not I can erect a fence on my property, surely it is not unreasonable to amend the Covenants to protect the Association's residents, and I think this can be done within the confines of the law. I despise loopholes!

Thank you for your input. I appreciate you making my brain work.. This can get very complicated but I think it can be done.
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,001
Posted:
... take a more proactive role in overseeing who it's community members are.


The BOD should MYOB and merely perform its' required maintenance tasks.

? Is your BOD's dress code brown shirts and ties ?

... residents may live out the rest of their lives without the fear of under age 55 individuals encroaching on their way of life.


Hopefully behind their wall and out of sight of said pesky youngsters.
(who think: goodbye, good luck, good riddance)

Walls also keep folk INSIDE !
EmmyR (Florida)
Posts: 12
Posted:
Thank you for your wisdom.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Yes EMMY. There are no dangerous people over 55. All the bad people are under 55.

EmmyR (Florida)
Posts: 12
Posted:
Seriously, thank you for your wisdom.
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,001
Posted:
You are most welcome.

ps. I appreciate someone who recognizes well intentioned sarcasm a la Johnathan Swift

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