TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
All,
I have my personal opinions on how an Association should respond to dog attacks.
I've provided information on what I know. Please note that using 20/20 hindsight, I already am aware that I should not have provided my personal opinion in my response. Therefore, please lets not focus on that issue.
What I would like to know is your opinion on how you would proceed now.
Here are the specifics as I know them:
Initial Complaint
I walked past the man with his two spaniels at [Address]. They were on a leash but the black one jumped up and tried to bite me. He caught my sleeve and not my hand, but he was after skin. How do I file a complaint?
My Response
I'm sorry to hear of the incident and hope you were not injured. I'll certainly bring the issue up at the Board meeting scheduled for next week. Personally, I don't believe that the issue would be an Association issue, but simply an issue between two residents. However, as I said, I will bring the issue up at the Board meeting and have copied [President's name] and [Architectural Chair] on this e-mail.
My personal suggestion would be to contact Animal Control to file a complaint. They are trained to investigate such issues and have more authority then the Association would to correct any issues that they may they find. Their Website is: [Link provided]
Their response to my response
My issue with this is that it is a neighborhood problem. These two dogs get loose occasionally, the last time the man was able to capture them because one had stopped to pee in my front yard.
As for the issue between two residents, I have no authority to reprimand them for their dogs' behavior. In my opinion, a pet that is capable of that behavior should be muzzled. But again, I can't request that they take that step. What will talking with them accomplish? They have the right to walk their dogs, and my approaching them has the potential to create a negative situation for me.
I do not have a wound on my hand, but I do have a shirt sleeve with a hole in it from the incident.
My hope is that the association can send a letter advising them of the responsibility to keep the dogs under control. With all the kids around, it's only a matter of time before someone gets bit. I'm hoping for the association to acknowledge the event, either to them directly or a targeted letter to the neighborhood, in the hopes of letting others around me know that this dog is unstable.
I yelled, HEY! as he was hanging off my sleeve, and the man said, "Max! You're not supposed to do that!" He asked if I was okay, and I said, "He didn't get my hand, just my shirt." But my sleeve is torn.
I think this is a larger issue than just between two residents.
Thank you for taking the time to communicate about this, and to read my concerns.
No response to the last communication was sent
Excerpt from our enforcement Policy:
Other than alleged covenant violations or alleged violations of the Design Guidelines, disputes between owners regarding activities within the private lots or living units or the appurtenant common areas, the Association will generally not become involved in the disputes or act on a complaint unless two or more persons have complained in writing.
Excerpt from our Pet Policy (note emphasized section):
A. Pet Owners are responsible for the immediate removal and proper disposal of animal waste on all portions of the Common Areas.
B. Pets shall not be permitted upon the Common Areas unless they are carried, leashed or under voice control by the owner.
C. No pet may be leashed to any stationary object on the common areas and left unattended.
D. Pet owners are responsible for any property damage, injury or disturbances their pet may cause or inflict.
The following shall be grounds for complaint and finding of a community nuisance:
A. Pets running at large;
B. Pets damaging, soiling, defecating on or defiling any private property (other than that of such pet's owner) or the Common Areas;
C. Pets causing unsanitary, dangerous, or offensive conditions;
D. Pets making or causing noises of sufficient volume to interfere with other residents' rest or peaceful enjoyment of the Property.
E. Causing or allowing any pet to molest, attack, or otherwise interfere with the freedom of movement of persons on the Common Areas, to chase vehicles, to attack other pets, or to create a disturbance in any other way;
Any Owner concerned with a pet related problem should do the following:
A. Attempt to arrive at a solution to the problem with the pet owner in a courteous and helpful manner.
B. If personal attempts at a solution fail, then a written complaint should be filed with the Association. The complaint should document this problem as thoroughly as possible.
Documentation should include identification of pet(s) involved, a complete description of the problem or disturbance, and dates and times of disturbances (whenever possible) as well as a brief description of informal attempts to solve the problem.
C. The Association will first attempt to obtain an informal solution to the problem. If such a solution is not possible, the Managing Agent will refer the matter to the Board of Directors; the Association may have offending pets removed from the property upon ten (10) days written notice from the Board of Directors.
D. Suspected stray pets should be reported to the appropriate Fairfax County official (for possible identification) prior to contacting the Association.
E. All bites, attacks by pets, or diseased animals should be reported to the appropriate [Name] County officials prior to notifying the Association.
I have my personal opinions on how an Association should respond to dog attacks.
I've provided information on what I know. Please note that using 20/20 hindsight, I already am aware that I should not have provided my personal opinion in my response. Therefore, please lets not focus on that issue.
What I would like to know is your opinion on how you would proceed now.
Here are the specifics as I know them:
Initial Complaint
I walked past the man with his two spaniels at [Address]. They were on a leash but the black one jumped up and tried to bite me. He caught my sleeve and not my hand, but he was after skin. How do I file a complaint?
My Response
I'm sorry to hear of the incident and hope you were not injured. I'll certainly bring the issue up at the Board meeting scheduled for next week. Personally, I don't believe that the issue would be an Association issue, but simply an issue between two residents. However, as I said, I will bring the issue up at the Board meeting and have copied [President's name] and [Architectural Chair] on this e-mail.
My personal suggestion would be to contact Animal Control to file a complaint. They are trained to investigate such issues and have more authority then the Association would to correct any issues that they may they find. Their Website is: [Link provided]
Their response to my response
My issue with this is that it is a neighborhood problem. These two dogs get loose occasionally, the last time the man was able to capture them because one had stopped to pee in my front yard.
As for the issue between two residents, I have no authority to reprimand them for their dogs' behavior. In my opinion, a pet that is capable of that behavior should be muzzled. But again, I can't request that they take that step. What will talking with them accomplish? They have the right to walk their dogs, and my approaching them has the potential to create a negative situation for me.
I do not have a wound on my hand, but I do have a shirt sleeve with a hole in it from the incident.
My hope is that the association can send a letter advising them of the responsibility to keep the dogs under control. With all the kids around, it's only a matter of time before someone gets bit. I'm hoping for the association to acknowledge the event, either to them directly or a targeted letter to the neighborhood, in the hopes of letting others around me know that this dog is unstable.
I yelled, HEY! as he was hanging off my sleeve, and the man said, "Max! You're not supposed to do that!" He asked if I was okay, and I said, "He didn't get my hand, just my shirt." But my sleeve is torn.
I think this is a larger issue than just between two residents.
Thank you for taking the time to communicate about this, and to read my concerns.
No response to the last communication was sent
Excerpt from our enforcement Policy:
Other than alleged covenant violations or alleged violations of the Design Guidelines, disputes between owners regarding activities within the private lots or living units or the appurtenant common areas, the Association will generally not become involved in the disputes or act on a complaint unless two or more persons have complained in writing.
Excerpt from our Pet Policy (note emphasized section):
A. Pet Owners are responsible for the immediate removal and proper disposal of animal waste on all portions of the Common Areas.
B. Pets shall not be permitted upon the Common Areas unless they are carried, leashed or under voice control by the owner.
C. No pet may be leashed to any stationary object on the common areas and left unattended.
D. Pet owners are responsible for any property damage, injury or disturbances their pet may cause or inflict.
The following shall be grounds for complaint and finding of a community nuisance:
A. Pets running at large;
B. Pets damaging, soiling, defecating on or defiling any private property (other than that of such pet's owner) or the Common Areas;
C. Pets causing unsanitary, dangerous, or offensive conditions;
D. Pets making or causing noises of sufficient volume to interfere with other residents' rest or peaceful enjoyment of the Property.
E. Causing or allowing any pet to molest, attack, or otherwise interfere with the freedom of movement of persons on the Common Areas, to chase vehicles, to attack other pets, or to create a disturbance in any other way;
Any Owner concerned with a pet related problem should do the following:
A. Attempt to arrive at a solution to the problem with the pet owner in a courteous and helpful manner.
B. If personal attempts at a solution fail, then a written complaint should be filed with the Association. The complaint should document this problem as thoroughly as possible.
Documentation should include identification of pet(s) involved, a complete description of the problem or disturbance, and dates and times of disturbances (whenever possible) as well as a brief description of informal attempts to solve the problem.
C. The Association will first attempt to obtain an informal solution to the problem. If such a solution is not possible, the Managing Agent will refer the matter to the Board of Directors; the Association may have offending pets removed from the property upon ten (10) days written notice from the Board of Directors.
D. Suspected stray pets should be reported to the appropriate Fairfax County official (for possible identification) prior to contacting the Association.
E. All bites, attacks by pets, or diseased animals should be reported to the appropriate [Name] County officials prior to notifying the Association.