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TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
All,

I have my personal opinions on how an Association should respond to dog attacks.

I've provided information on what I know. Please note that using 20/20 hindsight, I already am aware that I should not have provided my personal opinion in my response. Therefore, please lets not focus on that issue.

What I would like to know is your opinion on how you would proceed now.

Here are the specifics as I know them:

Initial Complaint

I walked past the man with his two spaniels at [Address]. They were on a leash but the black one jumped up and tried to bite me. He caught my sleeve and not my hand, but he was after skin. How do I file a complaint?

My Response

I'm sorry to hear of the incident and hope you were not injured. I'll certainly bring the issue up at the Board meeting scheduled for next week. Personally, I don't believe that the issue would be an Association issue, but simply an issue between two residents. However, as I said, I will bring the issue up at the Board meeting and have copied [President's name] and [Architectural Chair] on this e-mail.

My personal suggestion would be to contact Animal Control to file a complaint. They are trained to investigate such issues and have more authority then the Association would to correct any issues that they may they find. Their Website is: [Link provided]

Their response to my response

My issue with this is that it is a neighborhood problem. These two dogs get loose occasionally, the last time the man was able to capture them because one had stopped to pee in my front yard.

As for the issue between two residents, I have no authority to reprimand them for their dogs' behavior. In my opinion, a pet that is capable of that behavior should be muzzled. But again, I can't request that they take that step. What will talking with them accomplish? They have the right to walk their dogs, and my approaching them has the potential to create a negative situation for me.

I do not have a wound on my hand, but I do have a shirt sleeve with a hole in it from the incident.

My hope is that the association can send a letter advising them of the responsibility to keep the dogs under control. With all the kids around, it's only a matter of time before someone gets bit. I'm hoping for the association to acknowledge the event, either to them directly or a targeted letter to the neighborhood, in the hopes of letting others around me know that this dog is unstable.

I yelled, HEY! as he was hanging off my sleeve, and the man said, "Max! You're not supposed to do that!" He asked if I was okay, and I said, "He didn't get my hand, just my shirt." But my sleeve is torn.

I think this is a larger issue than just between two residents.

Thank you for taking the time to communicate about this, and to read my concerns.

No response to the last communication was sent

Excerpt from our enforcement Policy:

Other than alleged covenant violations or alleged violations of the Design Guidelines, disputes between owners regarding activities within the private lots or living units or the appurtenant common areas, the Association will generally not become involved in the disputes or act on a complaint unless two or more persons have complained in writing.

Excerpt from our Pet Policy (note emphasized section):

A. Pet Owners are responsible for the immediate removal and proper disposal of animal waste on all portions of the Common Areas.

B. Pets shall not be permitted upon the Common Areas unless they are carried, leashed or under voice control by the owner.

C. No pet may be leashed to any stationary object on the common areas and left unattended.

D. Pet owners are responsible for any property damage, injury or disturbances their pet may cause or inflict.

The following shall be grounds for complaint and finding of a community nuisance:

A. Pets running at large;

B. Pets damaging, soiling, defecating on or defiling any private property (other than that of such pet's owner) or the Common Areas;

C. Pets causing unsanitary, dangerous, or offensive conditions;

D. Pets making or causing noises of sufficient volume to interfere with other residents' rest or peaceful enjoyment of the Property.

E. Causing or allowing any pet to molest, attack, or otherwise interfere with the freedom of movement of persons on the Common Areas, to chase vehicles, to attack other pets, or to create a disturbance in any other way;

Any Owner concerned with a pet related problem should do the following:

A. Attempt to arrive at a solution to the problem with the pet owner in a courteous and helpful manner.

B. If personal attempts at a solution fail, then a written complaint should be filed with the Association. The complaint should document this problem as thoroughly as possible.
Documentation should include identification of pet(s) involved, a complete description of the problem or disturbance, and dates and times of disturbances (whenever possible) as well as a brief description of informal attempts to solve the problem.

C. The Association will first attempt to obtain an informal solution to the problem. If such a solution is not possible, the Managing Agent will refer the matter to the Board of Directors; the Association may have offending pets removed from the property upon ten (10) days written notice from the Board of Directors.

D. Suspected stray pets should be reported to the appropriate Fairfax County official (for possible identification) prior to contacting the Association.

E. All bites, attacks by pets, or diseased animals should be reported to the appropriate [Name] County officials prior to notifying the Association.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Our Rules & regs give our HOA the authority to have pets removed from our premises if they bite people--and so do yours.

But I'm sure you'd rather have more verification than one person saying the dog attacked him and is sometimes off leash. Our state laws permit us to order that dogs be muzzled if they are nuisances. but it s doesn't seem appropriate with on incident and no witness unless the dog owner admits to the attack.

But man attacked also should notify animal control.

It does seem in order to write the dog owner a courtesy letter to keep a paper trail. I know you don't want your HOA to get in any trouble over these dogs. And our main job is to protect our HOAs.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
Moving forward, I would:
1. Put dog-owner on notice that a complaint was received about the dog's aggressive behavior. I would express concern that if a child or other animal was involve, there could have been dire circumstances.
2. Ask dog-owner what action he is taking to prevent recurrence.
3. Offer mediation.

Locally, we have 2 community mediation centers where 2 neighbors can go to at no cost or minimal cost. One is sponsored by local government. The other is sponsored by a church. A mediation should occur in a neutral setting where everyone can feel safe and protected.

I see no reason to focus on the "board responsibility"/"not board responsibility" question until after dog-owner responds. This follows your first principle that people should try to work things out themselves.

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,001
Posted:
Refer the issue to animal control.

Begin appropriate action against the dog/offending member under your 'nuisance restriction' clause.

Refer the matter to the corporate attorney.

OR

Ask the complainer what SPECIFIC provision of the Covenant was violated.

The HOA is NOT the 'Nanny' governing the members, merely the maintainer of the common elements.
FredS7 (Arizona)
Posts: 927
Posted:
>Pets shall not be permitted upon the Common Areas unless they are carried, leashed or under voice control by the owner.

The "voice control" should not be allowed in this rule. (In my opinion).

With respect to the original issue- maybe have the attackee inform animal control of the event; then if it happens again there will be less inclination to give a warning and more aggressive enforcement is more likely.

Owners should realize that some people find it disturbing to be approached by an unleashed dog, however "friendly" the owner thinks it is.

MikeS1
Posts: 521
Posted:
Tim - You and I both know that our local PD will usually not take any action unless the officer witnesses the event him/her-self, unless there is actually a dog bite incident.
MikeS1
Posts: 521
Posted:
Tim - You and I both know that our local PD will usually not take any action unless the officer witnesses the event him/her-self, unless there is actually a dog bite incident.
JonD1
Posts: 2,350
Posted:
Voice control what the hell is that? Wishful nonsense. Why would that be seen as having control of your animal?

My suggestion have the victim file a report with the animal control officer in your location.

If you have the authority to revoke permission to have an animal make the dog owner aware.

We had a resident whose dog bit a 90+ year old woman in the hand. The wound went right through her hand.

We strongly suggested she file a complaint.

The dog owner was issued a court appearance ticket. In court under oath she claimed this was the first such incident.

While asking around I was told this dog was responsible for another previous attack in a village 20 minutes away. The victim a K9 police officer!

Well with the assistance of the town attorney we arranged to have the officer appear on the next court date. His opinion this animal should be considered vicious resulted in the judge restricting the area in which this animal was walked, the requirement the dog be leashed and the consequences any future attacks would result in the dog being put down.

If and when this dog succeeds in biting someone not only will the owner be liable but more than likely the HOA too.

In our case if the victim were a young child and the bite had enough force to penetrate through a human hand what damage might be done if the bite were to the head, face or neck area?

We would not allow this sort of risk to exist unaddressed.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Tim

If the two dogs were on a leash then did they not meet the associations rule? The association cannot control how close one walked to the dogs that allowed the dog to jump on them.

My opinion is it is not a BOD issue. It is between the two owners and the local animal control authority.

The response from the owner is almost like they want the association to pay for their damaged shirt.

Kerry

Our docs make no mention of the HOA having any authority to remove an animal and I would be very hesitant to ever do so. Who do you even call to haul the animal away?

NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnC46 on 02/05/2015 6:20 AM
Tim

If the two dogs were on a leash then did they not meet the associations rule? The association cannot control how close one walked to the dogs that allowed the dog to jump on them.

My opinion is it is not a BOD issue. It is between the two owners and the local animal control authority.

The response from the owner is almost like they want the association to pay for their damaged shirt.

Kerry

Our docs make no mention of the HOA having any authority to remove an animal and I would be very hesitant to ever do so. Who do you even call to haul the animal away?


If I lived in an HOA where the board had the authority to remove an animal, and a frightening incident occurred, then I would not accept the answer that pet incidents are HO/HO issues.

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Tim,

An association has no business trying to regulate the conduct of animals and their owners; there are public agencies for this and complaints about animals should be directed there. The victim of the dog bite should have reported the incident to animal control.

Your association needs to get rid of that pet policy and let the proper public agencies do their job.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
I think you handled this very well, and I don’t see anything wrong with your personal opinion because it’s correct. It would be one thing if the Association had received several complaints about these dogs – right now, this is one incident involving one resident, so he or she should contact authorities.

I also agree with Kerry, NpS and John - the Board’s main priority is to maintain the common areas and protect the association’s interests. Not every issue homeowners bring to the Board’s attention will fit that category, so homeowners should be reminded of this.

In addition to the suggestions they gave, you might want to have a chat with someone at Animal Control on other ways homeowners can address this problem – perhaps having him/her come to a meeting to present a talk on the subject. In fact, you may want to schedule a town hall meeting on the topic, where the dog lovers and the people who have issues with them can present their concerns. Tell everyone the objective is not to single out specific people, but get some idea on how extensive the problem is. From there, you can determine if the policy needs a tweak or two (although I think it’s fine as is).


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
BTW, why on earth would you forward a copy of the owner's complaint about a dog to the head of the architectural committee?

SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Quote:

If I lived in an HOA where the board had the authority to remove an animal, and a frightening incident occurred, then I would not accept the answer that pet incidents are HO/HO issues.


Its a legal issue. The HOA cannot force removal of that animal. The home owner needs to call the police or animal control. Only they have the authority to force removal.

Your HOA is governed by local, state, and federal laws. You cannot do anything you want just because you make a rule against it. You cannot enforce rules that break the law...... period.

The HOA should stay out of it and tell the homeowner to call the police.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By SteveM9 on 02/05/2015 7:08 AM

If I lived in an HOA where the board had the authority to remove an animal, and a frightening incident occurred, then I would not accept the answer that pet incidents are HO/HO issues.


Its a legal issue. The HOA cannot force removal of that animal. The home owner needs to call the police or animal control. Only they have the authority to force removal.

Your HOA is governed by local, state, and federal laws. You cannot do anything you want just because you make a rule against it. You cannot enforce rules that break the law...... period.

The HOA should stay out of it and tell the homeowner to call the police.


Then as Larry said, the rule should be removed. But as long as the rule is on the books, it sends the message that the HOA has some level of responsibility. Which is the reaction I stated and I think many HOs would have.

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 163
Posted:
In my opinion, pet policies should be written for different types of complexes, Condos, Townhomes and PUDs, no one size fits all.

Based on the language you have provided from your pet policy, the association has allowed themselves to get tossed into the fray.

The homeowner's response is typical of individuals living in an association where personal responsibility doesn't exist any longer.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
My Vice President had a huge German Shepard. He walked it without a leash around the neighborhood sometimes. It was a very well behaved older dog. It was extremely sweet dog with a good temperament. However, one day he was walking it and ran into another neighbor. She was holding her cat. The cat saw the dog and completely freaked out! The cat owner was scratched up pretty badly. The dog had not done anything.

Would this be a HOA matter? No. We do have leash laws. This would have to be handled by the animal control as with any animal issues we dealt with. They are responsible and the authority to handle such issues.

Now, did the vice-president receive any votes from the membership for re-election? No. The story got out and people decided they did not want to support his run for the board.

Former HOA President
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 163
Posted:
Based on what you wrote, even if the dog had been on a leash, the incident would still have occurred.

The story got out that he didn't have his dog on a leash, WOW, call in the marines. I am sure that makes him a very terrible person.

I'm sure he got a lot of support from you.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
There is more to the story... The person who was attacked by the cat became my replacement as President... However, I had already quit by then. The story became quite distorted and I just walked away from it all...

Former HOA President
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,001
Posted:
y'all are lucky you never ran into my 55# female Labrador

she had this nasty habit of jumping on people and attempting to lick them to death

or, when in 'protect mode', trying to eat pit bulls - THEN licking you

She was better trained than most K-9 animals.

Sit - Heel - Come - Stay were 'givens'

also: 'POOCHIE' (to get attention) followed by 'SIC SIC SIC' (had to be repeated 3 times)

Upon hearing 'POOCHIE' she would stop, face, sit, and await command.

I did offer dry cleaning to remove her drool as necessary
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Our docs do give us the authority to have an animal removed, JohnC. This would be, of course, after confirmed incidents of the animal being dangerous, proper procedure, etc.

Tim's docs also give his HOA that authority.

We've never had to enforce this rule, nor even demand that a dog be muzzled, but we could. In elevator buildings, these issues can be pretty serious.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By KerryL1 on 02/05/2015 1:12 PM
Our docs do give us the authority to have an animal removed, JohnC. This would be, of course, after confirmed incidents of the animal being dangerous, proper procedure, etc.

Tim's docs also give his HOA that authority.


Your documents may allow it, but the law does not. Thus, you cannot remove someones animal. Only the police or animal control, or similar have this authority.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
We can order a dog removed and if the dog owner does not comply we would take further steps such as working with animal control or going to court. I'm not going to look up what that would be in my state.

It would be foolish for me as a board member, IMO, to allow a hazard to walk in our corridors and be on our elevators without our Board acting. I see it no differently than permitting trip hazards to remain unprepared, or burned out lights in dark areas to remain unreplaced. I'm pretty sure my HOA would be liable if we have knowledge of danger and ignore it.

I do not see proven dangerous dogs as a neighbor to neighbor issue, but as a problem for an HOA.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Kerry has a valid point in that I can see a difference between must be shared confined/common areas (lobbys, elevators, halls, etc.) versus standalone private homes where I live. Our common areas are not confined.

I think we often forget or disregard those "major" differences when we discuss an issue. My BOD could care less about a shared laundry room.........LOL

RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 163
Posted:
Again, Rules and Regulations, in which pet/owner behavior would be addressed, must be fair and reasonable. What's fair and reasonable in one type of complex may not be in another. My complex, as is John's, is in a PUD , with lots of open area.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
My thanks to everyone who responded. As Richard pointed out, rules should be made for the development and not be generic. I agree with Richard that our rules fall into the generic category and need to be revised. Unfortunately, that is something that will have to wait, as my priorities are on other things and I don't think anyone else will take the task on. Therefore, these are the rules we have and need to comply with.

Although our rules allow us to force the removal of an animal, the rules seem to be vague on how, and under what circumstances, that could/should be done. Personally, I do not think it would withstand a legal challenge if our Association attempted it. However, I agree with Kerry that in situations like condominiums, such a consequence may be easier to implement.

As many have pointed out, the owner had the dogs on leashes and was in compliance with the rules.

Additionally, as others have pointed out, the complainant doesn't seem to want to go on record with animal control. Typically, as Mike pointed out, no action is taken against the animal on the initial reporting for an incident like this. However, if all that is done is that official documentation is started on the animal, it will make it easier for others if an attack happens again, it places the owner on notice that the County is aware of the issue, and it helps to provide a basis for any action the Association may take, now or in the future.

My opinion is basically the same as others have shared. Have the complainant take the issue to animal control and provide a copy of their report to the Association. After that is done, the Association can follow up with a note that the animal should kept on a leash to aid the owner to control any future similar incident. However, the Association should do nothing directly about the incident until the issue is reported to a County authority.

Again, thank you all for providing input.

Tim

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By LarryB13 on 02/05/2015 7:06 AM
BTW, why on earth would you forward a copy of the owner's complaint about a dog to the head of the architectural committee?

Larry,

The Architectural Committee is the enforcement arm for our Association. I don't really agree with it, especially in situations like this, but that is how it's setup in our Association.
CyrstalB (Maryland)
Posts: 457
Posted:
Not a lawyer however if the HOA took any kind of stance to "control" dogs, wouldn't they be left open for liabilities in the future?

We do not have anything written for dogs and have always, meaning at every single annual meeting, and to the same people, stress that we are not the babysitters and they have to call animal control.
CyrstalB (Maryland)
Posts: 457
Posted:
Not a lawyer however if the HOA took any kind of stance to "control" dogs, wouldn't they be left open for liabilities in the future?

We do not have anything written for dogs and have always, meaning at every single annual meeting, and to the same people, stress that we are not the babysitters and they have to call animal control.
JonD1
Posts: 2,350
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By CyrstalB on 02/06/2015 4:24 AM
Not a lawyer however if the HOA took any kind of stance to "control" dogs, wouldn't they be left open for liabilities in the future?

We do not have anything written for dogs and have always, meaning at every single annual meeting, and to the same people, stress that we are not the babysitters and they have to call animal control.

Crystal

The reality would be if some incident were to take place with an animal more than likely the HOA would be drawn into any legal action as a defendant.

We have a policy requiring board permission be granted for any resident to have an animal.

Permission requires they follow a few common sense rules.

If not permission can be revoked or fines assessed.

My view would be along with protecting residents and visitors, the board should work to protect the HOA from legal liability.

Controlling what might be a dangerous animal would fall into that area.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
Doesn't fit your facts Tim, but:

Our township code says animal must be under owner control.
Our HOA rule says animal must be on a leash.

We limit our role as an HOA to notification only.
We notify complaining HO who to contact for township enforcement.
We notify pet-owner that a complaint has been lodged.
The end.

If we were in Kerry's situation where pet incidents could occur inside a building, we would probably have some level of enforcement - and a more detailed set of rules.

I do think that a right to remove rule could create liability if not enforced. Whether a shirt got ripped or skin was pierced, that's just the luck of the draw. There was sufficient aggression IMO to escalate internally - if you have a removal rule. At minimum, I think you need to rewrite that rule to clarify what actions by an animal will trigger removal.

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,001
Posted:
... stress that we are not the babysitters ...


DOH
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I'm with Jon Here: "My view would be along with protecting residents and visitors, the board should work to protect the HOA from legal liability.

Controlling what might be a dangerous animal would fall into that area."

RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 163
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JonD1 on 02/06/2015 5:37 AM
Posted By CyrstalB on 02/06/2015 4:24 AM
Not a lawyer however if the HOA took any kind of stance to "control" dogs, wouldn't they be left open for liabilities in the future?

We do not have anything written for dogs and have always, meaning at every single annual meeting, and to the same people, stress that we are not the babysitters and they have to call animal control.


Crystal

The reality would be if some incident were to take place with an animal more than likely the HOA would be drawn into any legal action as a defendant.

We have a policy requiring board permission be granted for any resident to have an animal.

Permission requires they follow a few common sense rules.

If not permission can be revoked or fines assessed.

My view would be along with protecting residents and visitors, the board should work to protect the HOA from legal liability.

Controlling what might be a dangerous animal would fall into that area.

This is a new one on me, requiring Board approval to have an animal?
DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RichardP13 on 02/06/2015 11:53 AM

This is a new one on me, requiring Board approval to have an animal?

I think this mainly exists in condos.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
That IS interesting, Jon.

Even CA laws says we may not forbid dogs/cats. Now HOAs can have rules that limit weight, size and breeds, But my HOA has no limits except that there can be two dogs or two cats or one of each per condo.

Our rules about dogs in our twin tower HOA are very similar to the ones in Tim's detached homes HOA. I'd say about 30% of our condos have dogs with about 30% of them having two dogs.

The only difference I notice is that our rules require that dogs be on leash or carried by someone "capable of controlling" the animal. In other words, a six-y.o. walking a large dog wouldn't be defined as capable of controlling the dog.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TimB4 on 02/04/2015 6:31 PM

The following shall be grounds for complaint and finding of a community nuisance:

E. Causing or allowing any pet to molest, attack, or otherwise interfere with the freedom of movement of persons on the Common Areas, to chase vehicles, to attack other pets, or to create a disturbance in any other way;

It potentially is an Association issue because you regulate pets. Cities love these type associations as it potentially puts legal liability on the HOA. You know me Tim I am a firm believer in the fact if your city regulates ... Let them deal with the issues. If you did not regulate pets then you could have politely stated to the homeowner "The association does not regulate pets ... You need to contact the local animal control for this issue, and here is their telephone number." Your above posted paragraph is where I see the biggest issue.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
Tim,

Not sure about Virginia's law on animals but in North Carolina, a dog is considered property of its owner. As such, the owner is responsible for the dog's behavior. This is clearly a police matter where the victim should report the animal and the incident and is of zero legal concern to the HOA, in my opinion. The victim in your case was damaged enough to take that step. We faced this with a dog attacking another dog - which is near equal in weight to a human/dog encounter.

Reporting a dog bite and dog/owner isn't about criminality, it's a matter of bookkeeping where a dog, known to bite, can be logged in case it happens again. The dog walker couldn't (officially) expect their dog to be aggressive. If reported, a second occurrence would prove a trend of animal behavior.

I agree with you that the HOA shouldn't muddy waters with regulations when there are ordinances that are quite clear.
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,001
Posted:
I agree with you that the HOA shouldn't muddy waters with regulations when there are ordinances that are quite clear.


JonD1
Posts: 2,350
Posted:
As board members we have a duty to protect not only the residents and visitors on our property we also have the duty to protect against liability from known hazards. IMO to simply rely upon the notion that local or state regulations cover and govern any of these sorts of hazards would be mistaken. As in Tim's case it would be clear his HOA has been put on notice that a potential hazard in the form of this dog exists on the property. As I have stated in the unfortunae event this dog does attack or bite another individual in 99.99999%
of cases the HOA will be named as a defendant by the personal injury lawyer. So now it becomes an HOA issue despite what some would like to think. HOAs govern behavior on "common property" that would include the potential threat posed by a animal.

All to often people make decisions and form their own opinions based on perception rather than facts and or reality. After doing an internet search I found many articles that seem to suggest this is an issue HOA baords can simply pass along. There is a potential risk to the HOA a risk the board should realise and address. See below.

Homeowner Associations Can Be Liable for Dog Bites in Common Areas

Condominium associations are empowered to limit pets in common areas, say dog bite lawyers – and should, to avoid lawsuits.

Given that more than 527 dog bite claims were filed with insurance companies in California in 2011, it should come as no surprise that personal injury lawyers who specialize in dog bites are busy seeking compensation for victims, who can amass huge medical bills and have lost time from work due to their injuries (also, at least 16 people die each year from dog attacks in the U.S.). Nationwide, more than $479 million was paid out on claims that year, according to the Insurance Information Institute.

California dog bite statutes provide that dog owners are responsible for injuries caused by their dogs, even on a first incident. In shared homeowner associations (HOAs) – condominium, town home and stock cooperative associations included – that responsibility extends to them as well. If a dog attacks a resident, visitor, postal carrier or other worker on premises in common areas such as hallways and outdoors, the association might face a victim’s trial lawyer in very costly litigation.

Nevertheless, there are ways a homeowner association can protect itself ­– before it needs to hire a defense dog bite injury attorney:

•Consider pets in the same category of other hazards. HOAs maintain common areas, where a dog attack can take place. Therefore, the association needs to ensure a safe area just as it would make sure that floors are not slippery and that elevators are not faulty. Some associations also restrict cats in common areas.

•Leashes should be required on pets at no more than 6 feet in length. Any longer will likely be a hazard in common-area walkways.

•Dog size can also be regulated. Because larger dogs, even when leashed, can knock down smaller and more-feeble individuals, a weight limit can be established (often, under 40 pounds). Children and the elderly are most susceptible to dog-related injuries.

•Enforcement of the rules needs to be consistent. If enforcement is lax, the association will be judged to have permitted a dangerous situation.

•Handle requests for waivers with care. The Fair Housing Act allows that trained service animals, such as a “seeing eye dog,” must be allowed or else the association risks a discrimination lawsuit. The federal rules are stringent, that a dog trained for that specific health or mobility challenge help the unit owner’s disability. However, since a ruling by a California court in 2004 (Auburn Woods I HOA v. Fair Employment and Housing), an individual can claim any dog that alleviates mental disabilities should be permitted.
Clearly, an experienced personal injury attorney may be required when there is an attack. When a condominium associate board needs to establish these rules, they would be wise to learn about the potential consequences of not doing so.

NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
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Posted By JonD1 on 02/07/2015 10:21 AM
As board members we have a duty to protect not only the residents and visitors on our property we also have the duty to protect against liability from known hazards. IMO to simply rely upon the notion that local or state regulations cover and govern any of these sorts of hazards would be mistaken. As in Tim's case it would be clear his HOA has been put on notice that a potential hazard in the form of this dog exists on the property. As I have stated in the unfortunae event this dog does attack or bite another individual in 99.99999%
of cases the HOA will be named as a defendant by the personal injury lawyer. So now it becomes an HOA issue despite what some would like to think. HOAs govern behavior on "common property" that would include the potential threat posed by a animal.

All to often people make decisions and form their own opinions based on perception rather than facts and or reality. After doing an internet search I found many articles that seem to suggest this is an issue HOA baords can simply pass along. There is a potential risk to the HOA a risk the board should realise and address. See below.

Homeowner Associations Can Be Liable for Dog Bites in Common Areas

Condominium associations are empowered to limit pets in common areas, say dog bite lawyers – and should, to avoid lawsuits.

Given that more than 527 dog bite claims were filed with insurance companies in California in 2011, it should come as no surprise that personal injury lawyers who specialize in dog bites are busy seeking compensation for victims, who can amass huge medical bills and have lost time from work due to their injuries (also, at least 16 people die each year from dog attacks in the U.S.). Nationwide, more than $479 million was paid out on claims that year, according to the Insurance Information Institute.

California dog bite statutes provide that dog owners are responsible for injuries caused by their dogs, even on a first incident. In shared homeowner associations (HOAs) – condominium, town home and stock cooperative associations included – that responsibility extends to them as well. If a dog attacks a resident, visitor, postal carrier or other worker on premises in common areas such as hallways and outdoors, the association might face a victim’s trial lawyer in very costly litigation.

Nevertheless, there are ways a homeowner association can protect itself ­– before it needs to hire a defense dog bite injury attorney:

•Consider pets in the same category of other hazards. HOAs maintain common areas, where a dog attack can take place. Therefore, the association needs to ensure a safe area just as it would make sure that floors are not slippery and that elevators are not faulty. Some associations also restrict cats in common areas.

•Leashes should be required on pets at no more than 6 feet in length. Any longer will likely be a hazard in common-area walkways.

•Dog size can also be regulated. Because larger dogs, even when leashed, can knock down smaller and more-feeble individuals, a weight limit can be established (often, under 40 pounds). Children and the elderly are most susceptible to dog-related injuries.

•Enforcement of the rules needs to be consistent. If enforcement is lax, the association will be judged to have permitted a dangerous situation.

•Handle requests for waivers with care. The Fair Housing Act allows that trained service animals, such as a “seeing eye dog,” must be allowed or else the association risks a discrimination lawsuit. The federal rules are stringent, that a dog trained for that specific health or mobility challenge help the unit owner’s disability. However, since a ruling by a California court in 2004 (Auburn Woods I HOA v. Fair Employment and Housing), an individual can claim any dog that alleviates mental disabilities should be permitted.
Clearly, an experienced personal injury attorney may be required when there is an attack. When a condominium associate board needs to establish these rules, they would be wise to learn about the potential consequences of not doing so.


While I appreciate your thoughts Jon, I think differently. IMO, you should get rid of any rule where you lack the capability to enforce consistently over the long haul.

In Kerry's high-rise case I understand the heightened risk of people and animals in close proximity - but along with the high-rise living arrangement comes staff who should be trained and relied on to enforce the policies that you describe.

But in Tim's case, there is no staff or cameras that are set up to observe. So when the complaint comes in that the leash is longer than 6', who exactly is going to do what? IMO, no one - unless the HOA wants to go to the expense of paying someone to patrol the grounds.

On the other hand, police and animal control WILL respond and take action on any violation of our township's pet laws. As far as defending our decision to rely on township code in the event of a lawsuit, I think 2 things work in our favor:

1. A lawyer is going to have a hard time convincing a judge that we have an obligation that exceeds the standards set by our local government.

2. Our insurance will cover the HOA and the Directors.

One of my big concerns is that, when it comes to pet rules, every time a new board comes into office, there can be a change in the enforcement attitudes and policy. And that, I think, is just a natural result - but difficult to defend when challenged.

In my townhouse HOA, there are only two subjects where I refuse to participate in the BOD conversation or to vote - Color and Pets. IMO, no matter what you decide on either of these issues, somebody's gonna get pissed.

So - if you have staff or cameras set up to monitor pet risks - go for it. But if not, get rid of obligations that you cannot enforce consistently over many years.

Just my opinion tho.


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RichardP13 (California)
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Couldn't agree with you more NpS! What Jon quoted was something from California. I would be more than happy to tell you where they can put some of these laws.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
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NpS statement: "A lawyer is going to have a hard time convincing a judge that we have an obligation that exceeds the standards set by our local government."

Could not agree more ... Owners are not trained animal control officers. That is why best not to regulate in your docs and take on responsibility or potential liability. You pay taxes for these services so let them do their job and not supercede local authorities.
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NpS statement: "A lawyer is going to have a hard time convincing a judge that we have an obligation that exceeds the standards set by our local government."

Could not agree more ... Owners are not trained animal control officers. That is why best not to regulate in your docs and take on responsibility or potential liability. You pay taxes for these services so let them do their job and not supercede local authorities.

So what your saying is that we can supercede local government with certain covenants, but not this one? It seems that some of our CCR's do exactly that, tighter standards built upon what local code is, maybe I'm confused but that statement seems to be saying that to me.

SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
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So what your saying is that we can supercede local government with certain covenants, but not this one?


In a nutshell, you cannot supersede local government regulations, but you can have stronger standards.

IE; An HOA can have tighter standards on paint color in a city that has no paint color standards.

That said...... a HOA cannot deal with police issues on its own. The law is very clear on what private citizens can do and cannot. And what police officers can do and cannot do. If you take it upon yourself to deal with these issues yourself, you open yourself up to potential lawsuits that you will likely loose and cost yourself, the HOA or both a ton of money.

JonD1
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While I see any HOA does in fact have the right to enforce rules and regulations which place stricter behavior requirements on residents than local or state laws that is a secondary issue.

And the notion any board must have expert knowledge in reagrds to rules and regulations would void most current rules. We have noise regulations does that supercede the police?
We have rules about grills and propane tanks, does that supercede fire codes? We have rukles about housing animals on our property does that supercede local animal control ordinances?

My #1 concern would be liability. The possibility the HOA would be held responsible for damages due to injury or pain should any visitor or resident be harmed. In Tim's case, a threat the HOA has now been made aware of. In court the first question will be "after you were made aware of the fact you had a potentially vicious dog on your property, what di the HOA board do to control or remove that hazard?"

A vicious dog in my view would consttitute a hazard. Any board should do whatever possible or necessary to reduce or remove any hazards including vicious dogs.

Let me offer this tale as an example of just how far this can go out the road. We had many years ago residents who left their pet cats on the property when they moved. Over time we developed a small community of wild cats in our neighborhood and an adjacent townhouse community. Then one day one of animal lover residents decided he was going to "rescue" these animals and he went out and set a trap on the common property. The board was unaware of any of this. Well the trap worked a cat was caught and this man did not realise this was now longer a kitty cat. When he attmepted to remove the cat from the trap he was attacked, his face was scratched, and he suffered injuries to his arms and torso.

So in fact this man trapped a wild animal over which this property had no control. We were sued despite not having violated any local rules or state laws. In the end we paid out $24,000 in damages to this man and his wife.

So our property was held repsonsible for not controlling wild animals my guess that judge had no trouble finding the board and property should have done something more to the tune of $24,000.

So please don't assume your board taking no role in the control of animals provides this same board with immunity from liability. It does not.

In response to this case we hired an animal control company to trap and remove any and all of those animals found on our property. Again, not under any requirement from local or state law but to protect our community from further liability.

NpS (Pennsylvania)
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Posted By JonD1 on 02/08/2015 7:55 AM
My #1 concern would be liability. The possibility the HOA would be held responsible for damages due to injury or pain should any visitor or resident be harmed. In Tim's case, a threat the HOA has now been made aware of. In court the first question will be "after you were made aware of the fact you had a potentially vicious dog on your property, what di the HOA board do to control or remove that hazard?"

A vicious dog in my view would consttitute a hazard. Any board should do whatever possible or necessary to reduce or remove any hazards including vicious dogs.


Good advice re feral cats Jon.
Also, you mentioned that your cat incident happened long ago, which may have been back in the day when there was a tendency by some courts to judge HOAs as if they were a mini-government. Doubt that you would have the same outcome today.

Today, I don't agree that a court would first look to the HOA. I think that the court would first look for a police report, and want to know whether animal control was brought in. The primary responsibility rests with the individual HOs and the local policing authorities who have the training and expertise for a situation like this.

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SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
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We have rules about grills and propane tanks, does that supercede fire codes? We have rukles about housing animals on our property does that supercede local animal control ordinances?


I don't think your using the word supersede correctly. Now if your local fire code said its against the law to have a grill on your deck and you superseded their laws by "allowing" them, you would be breaking the law and held responsible for damages or death.

Now if the fire dept said no grills on decks, and your HOA said no grills anywhere, that would be having a stronger bylaw against grills, thus being ok.

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So in fact this man trapped a wild animal over which this property had no control. We were sued despite not having violated any local rules or state laws. In the end we paid out $24,000 in damages to this man and his wife.


Unfortunately things happen on your property that you are aware of and unaware. People fall, get hurt, etc. This is why we have insurance companies and lawyers. Its unfortunate, but that's life.

PS. I do agree the HOA should have hired a professional company to deal with the animal issue before any of this happened. But I see that as a separate issue.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
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In court the first question will be "after you were made aware of the fact you had a potentially vicious dog on your property, what di the HOA board do to control or remove that hazard?"

Not a damn thing your Honor.

The Association does not regulate animals and have left that to properly trained individuals (Police and Animal Control). All citizens are required to follow the Local, State, or Federal Laws. I assisted the victim by providing a telephone number for them to call the proper authorities who have been trained in the handling of "vicious dogs". Therefore, as the Plaintiff cannot prove that the Association violated any provision in the governing documents where the Association superseded the Local authorities in being required to remove the dog, we respectfully request to be dismissed from the lawsuit. You will need to ask the properly trained Police and Animal Control this question your Honor, as they are the entity properly trained and with the proper authority to take any such action and upholding any laws violated.

AmandaR2 (South Carolina)
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Posted By JanetB2 on 02/08/2015 12:47 PM
Posted By JonD1 on 02/08/2015 7:55 AM

In court the first question will be "after you were made aware of the fact you had a potentially vicious dog on your property, what di the HOA board do to control or remove that hazard?"

Not a damn thing your Honor.

The Association does not regulate animals and have left that to properly trained individuals (Police and Animal Control). All citizens are required to follow the Local, State, or Federal Laws. I assisted the victim by providing a telephone number for them to call the proper authorities who have been trained in the handling of "vicious dogs". Therefore, as the Plaintiff cannot prove that the Association violated any provision in the governing documents where the Association superseded the Local authorities in being required to remove the dog, we respectfully request to be dismissed from the lawsuit. You will need to ask the properly trained Police and Animal Control this question your Honor, as they are the entity properly trained and with the proper authority to take any such action and upholding any laws violated.


I agree with Janet. Makes everything "SIMPLE". Why take on complicated legal issues when you have the option not to? Regarding single family homes these issues should be dealt with by the proper authorities, leave the association out of it. Owners have avenues to deal with these issues.

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