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CherylB4 (Georgia)
Posts: 9
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Our subdivision here in Georgia is just about completed. All the lots the final builder had are under contract. Our first builder went bankrupt in 2008, and never filed our covenants, so with all the research we have done, we found that the covenants were never recorded, so the covenants can't be enforced. So we are thinking about setting up a voluntary HOA, because we know not all the owners want one. But my main question is, our streets have not had a final paving, and the builder is saying the City is responsible, and when I asked the City they say they are trying to find out. I know the first builder back in 2005 filed a bond for two of the streets to be paved, but the City Director says that money "went away" back then. I don't know if the current builder has filed a bond, but he wants us to form an HOA all of a sudden, when he didn't file the covenants for us either, and sold lots without an HOA attached. We also need more street lights. We have them on the first few streets that were in the early construction, but the back streets that are just getting finished don't have many street lights at all. I have asked the City who is responsible to get them? The builder told us he is not responsible. I know the streets have been adopted by the City, and we have street signs for all our streets. The City Manager said if they had not adopted the streets there wouldn't be street signs for them. The City Manager told us to form am HOA also, and gave us a copy of the covenants that were filed with the City when the project first began, but were never recorded. We don't want this builder to leave and we are stuck with no lights or paving. We went to the City Council meeting last year and asked to be put on the budget, and they said they would try to accommodate us, but doesn't look like we got added to the budget this year.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Cheryl,

In one sentence you say that covenants were not recorded.
In another sentence you say that the City gave you a copy of the recorded covenants.

I would think that if the covenants were filed with the city that this would be the same as recording them.

Have you gotten a legal opinion on this issue (as it sounds like something you are going to need).

As for the paving, typically the city wouldn't have accepted the roads until the final paving was completed. If they did, and released the bond, that is on them. Worst case, you may need to seek legal assistance to make this occur.

SkunT (Ohio)
Posts: 73
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Good Luck getting 100% lot owners to join it your going to need the full 100% not just 50 or 75% of them but 100% entire community to start one up.. as for the street lights that's simple fix the city will just charge each lot owner in the community and no need to enact a doomed HOA adventure.

lets see your community been around for 7 years and can't wait till next year for the city to finish the streets. Guess who will be paying for the streets repairs when you forma HOA??? Yes that's right the HOA lot owners and not the city, sure the city's goanna tell you form a HOA and they get to walk away cost free doing it..

City has absolutely no choice but to finish the streets, your community is not under a legal HOA deed restriction, they have Zero case and they know it. there just playing dumb.

So say your HOA community spends 10k trying to enact a HOA of 100 lot's and only get 99 lot owners to agree and sign for a HOA, yet that 1 hold out say's Nope. Guess what... HOA ideal is out the door.

City will always say form a HOA, they will finish the street and pass the cost and tax's upon the HOA community. Good luck just wait till they get a budget to finish their streets.
SkunT (Ohio)
Posts: 73
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Oh and that new builder has no leg to stand on either since they can not reference a previous recorded deed restriction to adopt it as their own as in a reference document that there is a HOA in that community properly recorded.

That's like you going to a car dealership and test drive a car for the weekend and return it Monday and they tell you,, you've already bought the car now sign here to acknowledge you now own it after the fact oh by the way here's the legal documents now..
SkunT (Ohio)
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Posted By TimB4 on 02/02/2015 2:57 PM
Cheryl,

In one sentence you say that covenants were not recorded.
In another sentence you say that the City gave you a copy of the recorded covenants.

I would think that if the covenants were filed with the city that this would be the same as recording them.

Have you gotten a legal opinion on this issue (as it sounds like something you are going to need).

As for the paving, typically the city wouldn't have accepted the roads until the final paving was completed. If they did, and released the bond, that is on them. Worst case, you may need to seek legal assistance to make this occur.


City has contracts with the builders, they get a copy of the deed restrictions to show it's in a HOA, these contracts also have time stipulations hardly anyone knows about that can effectively kill a HOA deed restriction if not completed in a certain time frame usually 10 years.

So the city didn't do due diligences reading and looking at the document that's obviously missing the recorders stamped information on them.

so what the city has a copy of it, it's still not properly recorded for whatever reasons.
SkunT (Ohio)
Posts: 73
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Posted By TimB4 on 02/02/2015 2:57 PM
Cheryl,

In one sentence you say that covenants were not recorded.
In another sentence you say that the City gave you a copy of the recorded covenants.

I would think that if the covenants were filed with the city that this would be the same as recording them.

Have you gotten a legal opinion on this issue (as it sounds like something you are going to need).

As for the paving, typically the city wouldn't have accepted the roads until the final paving was completed. If they did, and released the bond, that is on them. Worst case, you may need to seek legal assistance to make this occur.


I can go to the city builders permit and present them a document for building say a deck. Just because I gave it too them and went and built it and later a legal issue comes up, if it's not recorded on the auditors page which is same as a recorders for legal recordings of what happened on a certain parcel of land, page I have no legal room to stand on and will have to tear it down.

Developers gives their plans to the city, city approves those plans.. It's up to the City to made sure the proper paper works were done that's why you pay fee's for someone to check your documents. That HOA legally was never recorded properly that's the legal thing they'll look at is "Properly recorded" by just saying they gave it to a city employee is a far fetch thing to say it was Properly legally recorded.
GlenL (Ohio)
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Cheryl as Tim said, you need a legal opinion that is yours. You and your neighbors need to pony up some cash and hire an attorney versed in contract law and property rights before the city and your current builder leave the homeowners holding the bag. Worst case the city can pay for it and declare your subdivision a "Special Taxing District" in which case in addition to your normal property taxes the city would in effect also collect additional monies to pay for everything. I cannot stress this strongly enough GET AN ATTORNEY AND GET ONE NOW!!!!!


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SkunT (Ohio)
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Posted By GlenL on 02/02/2015 9:51 PM
Cheryl as Tim said, you need a legal opinion that is yours. You and your neighbors need to pony up some cash and hire an attorney versed in contract law and property rights before the city and your current builder leave the homeowners holding the bag. Worst case the city can pay for it and declare your subdivision a "Special Taxing District" in which case in addition to your normal property taxes the city would in effect also collect additional monies to pay for everything. I cannot stress this strongly enough GET AN ATTORNEY AND GET ONE NOW!!!!!


That's totally misleading, the developer paid a special taxation aka withholding of funds from the developer to the city if the developer doesn't finish the project.. your being lied too. The city got a special assessment of funding's from the developer that they promised to finish it. If the City released that funding's fee before it was completed naturally the city will lie to the HOA an think your a bunch of morons not like them but worse.
SkunT (Ohio)
Posts: 73
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Posted By GlenL on 02/02/2015 9:51 PM
Cheryl as Tim said, you need a legal opinion that is yours. You and your neighbors need to pony up some cash and hire an attorney versed in contract law and property rights before the city and your current builder leave the homeowners holding the bag. Worst case the city can pay for it and declare your subdivision a "Special Taxing District" in which case in addition to your normal property taxes the city would in effect also collect additional monies to pay for everything. I cannot stress this strongly enough GET AN ATTORNEY AND GET ONE NOW!!!!!


Pony up OMG never heard that term before since 2008 Obama said Pony up everyone has $5 dollars Pony Up. Loll's yaw get a real attorney not a pony up one. or else your going to get screwed by a HOA. I eat pony's and hunt their family's if it tasted good.
CherylB4 (Georgia)
Posts: 9
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Hi Tim,

To be correct, I stated that the covenants were not recorded. An unrecorded copy was filed with the city when building first began, but were never taken down to the court house and recorded properly. This is the copy that was given to me, and it had no recording information on it. The deed to each of our properties says in the Notes section: A mandatory HOA will be formed. But none was ever formed.
CherylB4 (Georgia)
Posts: 9
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Yes we are in the process of talking to a good real estate attorney this week. Thanks all of you for your input on this.

Cheryl
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
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Posted By CherylB4 on 02/03/2015 6:44 AM
Hi Tim,

To be correct, I stated that the covenants were not recorded. An unrecorded copy was filed with the city when building first began, but were never taken down to the court house and recorded properly. This is the copy that was given to me, and it had no recording information on it. The deed to each of our properties says in the Notes section: A mandatory HOA will be formed.. But none was ever formed.

The potential issue you may encounter is the "overall intent". If the notes state mandatory HOA be formed, then any court of law will have to take that into consideration.

Potentially the city is urging you to form an HOA so you take certain legal responsibities off their shoulders and onto the homeowners. I agree with many above statements ... You should consult an attorney.

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