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GertrudeC (California)
Posts: 23
Posted:
Recently my bank account was hacked and a sum of money paid to a company. I politely asked the Board if my personal information, i.e routing number on checks is available in our office. Additionally I asked who had access to these files since I have moved here. Since we have one board member who many believe is dishonest, not trustworthy etc that was the first person who came to my mind. I also read on Davis Sterling that any personal info such as social security numbers and drivers license numbers should be redacted meaning crossed out. Because this may turn out to be an identity theft I was concerned. I am going up to take a look at the file and the location or lock? any suggestions or experiences with this? The Prez is hopping mad saying I accussed HIM of hacking my account??????????btw he is trustworthy
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
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Posted By GertrudeC on 02/02/2015 7:38 AM
Recently my bank account was hacked and a sum of money paid to a company. I politely asked the Board if my personal information, i.e routing number on checks is available in our office. Additionally I asked who had access to these files since I have moved here. Since we have one board member who many believe is dishonest, not trustworthy etc that was the first person who came to my mind. I also read on Davis Sterling that any personal info such as social security numbers and drivers license numbers should be redacted meaning crossed out. Because this may turn out to be an identity theft I was concerned. I am going up to take a look at the file and the location or lock? any suggestions or experiences with this? The Prez is hopping mad saying I accussed HIM of hacking my account??????????btw he is trustworthy


IMO, you have every right to see your own files. When you look at them, they will not be redacted. Redaction only occurs when the records are shared with people outside the HOA. This does mean that someone with access to the records can steal your info. You should be asking what security measures your HOA has to protect against identity theft. If there is no security policy, demand that they put one in place.


Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
BillH10 (Texas)
Posts: 1,217
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Gertrude, you should ask to look at any files the Association maintains on your account. The association probably maintains both paper and electronic files--such as the accounting system, spreadsheets, scanned files, etc. You should ensure the security arrangements for both types of files are adequate to prevent unauthorized access. You may also wish to ask who has access to the files.

Don't let them tell you they cannot let you see certain files as they contain information about other property owners. They can redact or hide information on paper files which does not pertain to you, and essentially do the same thing with electronic files.

Frankly, unless your association is self managed, I cannot think of a good reason why any member of the association, including board members and officers, should have access to information regarding the bank accounts or credit cards of association members.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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Why would your HOA have your social security number? They don't need it and should not have to provide it. In today's world there is no way of telling who or how your information is stolen. The only thing you can do is make sure to report it to one of the 3 credit reporting bureaus and put a fraud alert on your credit report.

Matter of fact, it is completely FREE to put on a 90 day fraud alert and get 1 free annual credit report a year. Don't fall for these companies or the credit reporting places in paying for "protection" or a copy unless your requesting more in one year. The second copy may indeed cost you some money.

There is a different fraud report that if you are a victim and can prove it, they have a different system setup that lasts longer than the 90 days. I would suggest contacting Experian today and find out your options.

It's going to be hard to prove your suspicions as a board member typically has no access to one's personal records. I know I did not even as president. Only our Bookkeeper who processed the payments had access to anyone's checks or information. I had no need to know it. They just produced a report that stated who paid and who didn't by lot owner #. So there was no way anyone could view or see anyone's information.

Former HOA President
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
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Gertrude,

I can think of no circumstance under which any association should have an owner's SSN, date of birth, and/or driver's license number. I would not surrender this information without a court order as security at associations and management companies is nearly non-existent.

Paying by check from your personal account is far riskier than most of us realize. Nearly all banks offer some form of bill-pay service where they mail a check to your payee. The bank's check is written on their account so no one will have access to your account number. When you write a check from your own account, your account number and routing number is there for copying by anyone who handles your check.

If your bank account has been compromised, close it and open a new account. Pay all bills with the bill pay service.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
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Gertrude,

Being defensive is a typical reaction when someone believe that they are being accused.

Although it's possible that information came from the Association, it's also possible that the information came from one of many stores that have been hacked over the past year: Target, Maceys, Staples, Neiman Marcus, Home Depot, UPS, Goodwill, P.F. Chang's, Sally's Beauty Supply, Michaels, Kmart, Sears, Albertsons, Dairy Queen and those are to simply name a few.

Unfortunately, we now live in a world where you should expect your financial information to be hacked at some point in time. As others have said, when it happens, or if you suspect it has happened, contact the financial institutions involved and they will help your take steps to issue new cards or change accounts.

My information was stolen when I ordered bulk flowers for a fund raiser. Even though I cancelled the card once I found out, it raised it's ugly head about a year later when I started receiving collection calls. It appears that the individual used the information to open e-bay seller accounts and when e-bay couldn't collect their share, they turned the issue over to collections. It took me over 3 months to get that one straightened out.

My suggestion is to approach the Board and apologize for any unintended miscommunication. Explain that you were simply trying to establish how the Association protects such information because you were a victim of identity theft.

My other suggestion is to contact credit bureaus and place a fraud alert on your credit.
See: http://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/0275-place-fraud-alert from the Federal Trade Commission website.
CyrstalB (Maryland)
Posts: 457
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Excuse me for being blunt, but how is it exactly that you connected the dots for you to feel your info was stolen via your HOA information? >>>>> Since we have one board member who many believe is dishonest, not trustworthy etc that was the first person who came to my mind. <<<<

Staples, Michaels, Target, Sony, and all the other companies that made the news for identities being stoled, oh and by the way, the top six banks were hacked last year, but it was kept quiet so as not to alarm people.

BUT you suspect an HOA board member? and worse because some people believe them to be dishonest? Wow, what a freaking stretch that is. I wouldn't be surprised if you got less than a semi polite response.

JonD1
Posts: 2,350
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Posted By CyrstalB on 02/03/2015 6:19 AM
Excuse me for being blunt, but how is it exactly that you connected the dots for you to feel your info was stolen via your HOA information? >>>>> Since we have one board member who many believe is dishonest, not trustworthy etc that was the first person who came to my mind. <<<<

Staples, Michaels, Target, Sony, and all the other companies that made the news for identities being stoled, oh and by the way, the top six banks were hacked last year, but it was kept quiet so as not to alarm people.

BUT you suspect an HOA board member? and worse because some people believe them to be dishonest? Wow, what a freaking stretch that is. I wouldn't be surprised if you got less than a semi polite response.


I have to agree with Cyrstal just how have you determined in any rational way the source of your problem is within your HOA? Based on what?

Do you have an MC handling your accounts and collections? If so how would a single board member then have access to YOUR account information? Do they handle, recieve, or view your check and other information?

I gave my information over to phone to an HP representative in the Phillipines. Thought HP being a huge corporate entity is was advisable. Within a few days I was ordering shoes in the Phillipines on my AmEx card! Wonder who arranged that?????

In reality unless those responsible confess you will never know with any certainly who is responsible. Be glad they caught it and issued you a new account.

Have you contacted everyone other business or person you have paid by check? Have you initiated investigations on each of those sources.

And PLEASE try to avoid making accusations based on what other people "think" or feel in reagrds to the honesty of someone who you probably hardly know. You are innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around.

NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
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Had an incident with Verizon re cel phones a few years back. We had 2 phones in my household and our billing amount hadn't changed in a long time. All of a sudden, we got collection phone calls for more than $5k on some different phone number. Collection company started pestering us. When I said we were only two people and had no need for a third phone, they said they had my social security number - which I guess meant to them that I was lying.

Contacted Verizon and the police. Police were willing to pursue it. Verizon wanted us to sign off on any claims before they would even deal with the issue. We refused.

As it turned out, the address where the Verizon bills were being sent belonged to another Verizon customer who was throwing them away. Now - can anyone figure out who might have created a dummy Verizon account with my name and another Verizon customer's address? Hmmmmm.

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
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Posted By CyrstalB on 02/03/2015 6:19 AM

Excuse me for being blunt, but how is it exactly that you connected the dots for you to feel your info was stolen via your HOA information? >>>>> Since we have one board member who many believe is dishonest, not trustworthy etc that was the first person who came to my mind. <<<<

All,

If you go back and look at Gertrude's first posting in this forum you will see where she is aware that one of her Board members has a past arrest history and lost a professional license. I suspect that this is the reason why she initially suspected that the hack was associated with her HOA.

Hopefully, our responses have shown that the problem could have come from any of many known hacks or unpublished hacks into various companies that she may have done business with. Hopefully she will take our advice, check her credit report for other issues, place a fraud alert in her credit report and take steps to try and minimize any additional issues that may come from such a situation.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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I did look at the previous post that Tim pointed out, and see that Gertrude has HEARD rumors that the directors had an arrest record and lost a professional license. Even in this newer thread, she write that "many believe" the director is dishonest.

I agree with all of you who advised her to look elsewhere rather than forces on unproven gossip!
GertrudeC (California)
Posts: 23
Posted:
Thanks everybody I appreciate the replies. I am going to review my file and see what personal information is there or not. We are self managed and all Board Members have access to our files. I will close this and again thanks!
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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We are self managed I never saw anyone's personal information. I was President and a board member. All our checks went straight to the Treasurer/Accounting firm. Even then, I could not see the information.

I would not care how the information got stolen. It's time to react and put a fraud alert on your credit report. It's free and you will get a free copy of your credit report to review. Once you get that report, then you can look it over and report any discrepancies. You can even do it online. Just make sure the site has "HTTPS:" in it for security.

Former HOA President

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