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BobW17 (Florida)
Posts: 8
Posted:

I have two questions regarding board election procedures.

1. Many bylaws documents state that the HOA organizational meeting must occur within ten days after the annual membership meeting at which the new directors were elected. Is "within 10 days" a statuary requirement or is it just a non-binding convention that has become popular I have searched Florida Statutes 720 and 617 and can find no such "10 day" requirement.

2. I also can not find any Florida statutory requirement stating when the newly elected board members officially take office to replace the outgoing members who have completed their term of office. Some bylaws I have read seem to imply that the new board takes over immediately after the annual membership meeting has adjourned. However, it seems that most bylaws are silent on this matter.

I personally believe that the entire outgoing board should remain in office for a few additional days after the annual membership meeting before the new board takes over as the official new HOA board. This would permit the outgoing board to finish up any business initiated by the old board. For example: By allowing the outgoing board to stay in office for a few additional days (perhaps 5 business days), this would give the old board time to sign, notarize, and record any new amendment that may have been approved at the annual meeting. You will note that federal, state, and county officials do not take office immediately after they are elected to office - probably for the same reason. A slight delay in taking office would permit a more orderly transfer of power.

If you know of any Florid statuary requirements for either of these two matters, I would appreciate your inputs.

KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
There are some posters here, BobW, who're very knowledgeable about FL statutes, CarolF, for example.

But I'd start by asking you what do your own bylaws say? If your HOA is incorporated and most are, what do FL corporation codes say?

By way of comparison, CA statutes and our bylaws state that the organizational meeting, where the new board selects its officers, takes place as soon as possible after the election. So in my HOA, we adjourn the annual meeting & election and immediately convene the organizational meeting, which is, in fact, a board meeting.

When the election results are announced, the new directors take their seats at our Board's table. Because out bylaws require staggered terms, this would involve 3 or 4 new or reelected directors. If one or more directors lose their bid for reelection, they leave the table at that time. Then that meeting is adjourned. Generally on our board of 7 only 1 or 2 new directors are elected as many win reelection. So the "new" board consists, in fact, of seasoned veterans too.

If the membership has voted on any amendments to the governing documents, the new board must abide by the outcome and its officers sign the necessary materials. Our transitions have been orderly even though done immediately. I see no reason to delay the transition. We just had a v dry nasty election and one toxic director wasn't reelected. There' be no reason for the rest of us to serve with her for even one more hours let alone several days!

Many HOAs, however, have special election and special meetings of the members for voting on amendments to documents. Our transitions have been orderly when done immediately. I see no reason to delay the transition. Unlike cities an states, the magnitude of HOA Board business is small enough that a long transisiton is completely unneeded, imo.

Hmmmm, BobW, I have a hunch, maybe off target, that there's some other reason why you want to delay the transition....
JonD1
Posts: 2,350
Posted:
Bob, just what is your position in all of this?

Are you currently serving on this board?

has the entire board been removed through an election?

I have never heard of a situation where after an election those elected wait till the previous board settles any matters and accounts.

Nor would I think those who have replaced through an election should then set the terms of the transition.

GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Bob while you make what sounds like a good point on the face of it, the reason transfer takes place after the election is to prevent ticked-off loosers from signing agreements they shouldn't.

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JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
I am not nor do I play a lawyer.

My experience says at the end of the Annual (Election) Meeting, the new BOD convenes and elects its Officers as in the same evening. In one HOA we had two of the outgoing BOD Members conduct the election.

With absent BOD members (especially new ones), etc. it might be necessary to delay things for a period of time Other wise I say f all there, then do it then. Time to move on. The King is dead. Long live the King.

If the incoming BOD Officers have changed, there are legal documents, state documents, checking accounts, banking stuff, etc. that will have to be changed and this will take sometime.

BobW17 (Florida)
Posts: 8
Posted:
For clarification, let me add that I have been the president of this 80 home HOA for nine years. As with many other associations, we find it very hard to recruit new board members. It is even harder to find anyone who is willing to serve as president. I have served this long only because no one else has been willing to serve in this position. There is absolutely no fame, fortune or glory in serving as president -- or in any other board position. But like thousands of others, we find our satisfaction in serving our community well.

Our Board recently wrote and unanimously approved an "Amended and Restated Bylaws" document to replace our very out of date 1992 bylaws document. We believe that the new Amended and Restated Bylaws were written in a very professional and legal manner. The new bylaws were submitted to the entire membership. They were approved by more than the required majority of all members. One of the provisions of the new bylaws is that the "new board shall assume office five business days after the new board members are elected at the annual membership meeting.

There is no sinister reason for including this "Five Business Day" provision. Our board just thought it would permit more time for the old board to complete old business that they had initiated and completed by obtaining membership approval at the annual membership meeting. In past year we have often found that the new board did not have enough experience yet to carry through properly with approvals obtained at the annual membership meeting. The old board initiated the action that was approved by the members at the annual membership meeting. Why not give the old board the opportunity to finish their work by recording a document that they worked so hard on and which was subsequently duly approved by the association's membership.

HOWEVER, my initial question was not meant to be a debate on the merits of when a new board should assume office. I am just trying to find out if anyone has actually seen a WRITTEN STATUTORY OR REGULATORY REQUIREMENT that clearly states when a new board should take over from the outgoing board. I did an "extensive word search" and found that Florida Statutes Chapter 720 and 617 are totally silent on this matter. I would really appreciate any inputs that reveal actual statutory or regulatory laws that deal with the "old board/new board" transition period. Also - where does any statute say that the board's organizational meeting must be held within 10 days after the annual membership meeting at which new board members were elected????
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
Cannot speak for FL. Have looked at different statutory systems in other states. Have never seen anything down to that level of detail.

To me, it seems like a non-issue. In my HOA, the newly elected board meets immediately after the annual meeting and decides who will be the new officers. Director elections are staggered so that there is always someone from the old board on the new board. Everyone knew what the Annual Meeting date was so any old business was addressed already. Anything voted on by the membership at the Annual Meeting became the obligation of the new board to implement = the board cannot override a decision of the membership.

Technically, I suppose that the transition date would be the start of our new fiscal year which begins April 1. Our Annual Meeting is held in the last week of Feb, so we have a 30 day window that could be under old or new authority. But it's never really an issue for us so we have never had to deal with it.

The fact that you have a 5 day rule in your bylaws means IMO that you are locked into 5 days for the transition. I cannot say, but if FL statutes are anything like the states I am familiar with, there are no regulatory or statutory requirements that would override your 5 day rule. In fact, many statutory provisions are fallback provisions that only go into effect if the organizing docs were silent on the issue. This would be one of the issues. Your docs are not silent = the regs would not apply. Only my opinion tho.

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GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Bob I'm not an attorney but the only time frame I see for elections in 720 is in:
720.3033 Officers and directors.—
(1)(a) Within 90 days after being elected or appointed to the board, each director shall certify in writing to the secretary of the association that he or she has read the association’s declaration of covenants, articles of incorporation, bylaws, and current written rules and policies; that he or she will work to uphold such documents and policies to the best of his or her ability; and that he or she will faithfully discharge his or her fiduciary responsibility to the association’s members. ~~~~

Just out of curiosity does your five business day rule for transition also apply for recalls? If a board or member of the board is so bad that they require recalling, I can see a real problem giving them five additional days with their fingers in the cookie jar. Plenty of time for real mischief.

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