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JodiL (Florida)
Posts: 6
Posted:
I am in need of some info. We are currently assessing all homeowners to have something built for the entire association. Only 13 homeowners have not paid thier part. They are against the assessment. We the board elected to start the leaning process on these homeowners. One of those homeowners is requesting from the management company all of the names of the homeowner who have not paid. Does the managment company or the board have to have to give the homeowner this information.
HaroldS1 (Arizona)
Posts: 314
Posted:
Not that I'm aware of. However, I am more curious how this assessment was handled. Was it put to a vote and approved by the required percent of owners? How many units do you have in comparison with these 13?
I find it amusing that you are starting the process of "leaning" on your unpaid members. A very appropriate even if incorrect word. Harold
JodiL (Florida)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Yes Harold I realized after the fact I use the wrong lean. How about we are starting the liening process. We have 41 homeowners. Two thirds said yes to the assessment.
JodiL (Florida)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Yes Harold I realized after the fact I use the wrong lean. How about we are starting the liening process. We have 41 homeowners. Two thirds said yes to the assessment.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Does your HOA have enough money to place the liens? It costs money in some states and others it is "free". Some of the dues money will now have to go toward the lien effort. You CAN lien for a special assessment.
The main concern was that it was NOT a board majority vote. If it had been done as a board majority, then you would have issues. However, it being a special assessment approved by the majority of homeowner's, the HOA should be able to pursue the liens. I believe that is what the poster that responded was trying to convey. You didn't put that information in the original post.
Don't expect to be paid anytime soon. A lien just means the owner can't sell the home until they pay that debt off. A lawsuit is a bad idea. That's just like a lien (also a judgement) except the owner can move and sell the property without paying. No need to talk foreclosure. The situation doesn't call for it.
Sometimes when you do a special assessment, the amount assessed is to be the amount the bill will be divided EVENLY amongst ALL the homeowners. However, if you feel there will be a possibility of non-payers, the amount may need to exceed this amount to compensate. It's NOT fair, but you can still lien and have the money in the mean time.

Former HOA President
JodiL (Florida)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Thank you for the advice. What I really need to know is do we or the management company, have to give the names of those who have not paid, to a homeowner who is requesting thier names. I believe those owners should be covered under some privacy act.
Jadedone4 (Virginia)
Posts: 495
Posted:
NEVER are the names of the delinquent accounts to be given out to membership. You may list the number of delinquent accounts, but not the individual names. If the "requester" wants to know who is opposed to the assessment (by the assumption that all that have not paid are against, and not say maybe, that they are experiencing a financial harship), let them find that out on their own. Maybe going door to door to get this information will provide them some "insight" in the ammount of work involved in actually being involved with their community/HOA.

PS - this might be overkill, but I only allow the MC, the Treasury and the Secretary to have hardcopies of the delinquent listings.
TracyT (Maryland)
Posts: 228
Posted:
Jodi,

You need to check your community governing and state documents. I found this article on-line for TX (not exactly your situation but you'll get the picture - http://pages.prodigy.net/hoadata/ReclaimHOA.pdf).

In the state of MD we are absolutely afforded the right to request documentation from the BOD as well as have right to assemble and discuss how the BOD conducts its business/activities and implement change.

You can probably hard ball, bully or stall them if want but like Jarod said they'll find out eventually. This is not a matter of being deliquent its a matter of finding out who voted against the measure and why.

You didn't elaborate on the nature of the community project but its possible these folks may simply want to opt out of it.

Tracy
TracyT (Maryland)
Posts: 228
Posted:
my bad I meant to refer to Jadedone4. Sorry.
JodiL (Florida)
Posts: 6
Posted:
This is for a community fishing pier and we are in Florida.
Jadedone4 (Virginia)
Posts: 495
Posted:
Tracy you are confusing two different animals here....

Membership has the right to review any and all HOA documents, which includes board decisions and how they voted (if a tally is kept versus a number in the minutes - what I mean here is President voted no, VP-yes, and so on... usually it will state 4-0, 3-1, etc)

Membership does NOT have a right to know who voted on an issue (far as I know), except to know what the final tally was (that is why during open elections where gov doc's state your majority, 2/3's 50+1 etc - you have assign an election officer, again usually a non-member who certifies the results).

As I mentioned, as far as I know, you cannot request to "audit" the election results to see which owners voted which way. Frankly, I would be surprised at a request like this - as it undermines each owner's right to privacy. Welcome any comments and information, if I am off-base on this.... (personally the Bush/Gore and hanging chads was enough for a lifetime... smile).
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Jadedone:

This has been discussed before, and I think each state is different. I would be willing to bet if you fought it hard in a court you would have a right as a homeowner to see who has not paid dues in your association, I really don't think privacy laws would apply in this situation. I would be curious to see some case law or someone with more knowledge of it chime in.

With that said, as the president of our association I would stall and stonewall anyonewho asked for specific people. I would only surrender it upon a court order, as I don't think it is any of their business. My 2 cents, I am probably wrong, but oh well.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JodiL on 05/06/2007 2:16 PM
One of those homeowners is requesting from the management company all of the names of the homeowner who have not paid. Does the managment company or the board have to have to give the homeowner this information.

Homeowners have the right to view the HOA records, including delinquent accounts, but only when they have provided a justifiable reason for their request. This data should not be allowed to be made public.
CharlesW1 (Georgia)
Posts: 826
Posted:
JodiL,

I would have to agree with Jadedone4. I’m a board member now because of that very same issue. It’s a shame that it took something like this, but thats what it took.

I would take this opportunity to suggest to this particular homeowner is volunteering to run for election next year, and explain to h/her that this is the only way that the information they are requesting can be released to members of the community.

Maybe this person isn’t someone your community would want as a board member, but you never know. I never thought I would enjoy it as much as I have.

Good luck
Chuck W.

Charles E. Wafer Jr.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Actually to clear this up a little. Typically, ONLY the board members are allowed to view collection reports. The individual is allowed to see their OWN record upon request. Another factor to consider is that the properties should be listed by LOT numbers and NOT personal addresses. We NEVER mentioned names when discussing collections. We referred to the owner's by their "Lot".
Allowing everyone to see what is owed can create a kind of "vigilantism". NOT a pretty picture. It's like letting someone look into your check book. Plus some people owe money for a variety of personal reasons. How can you judge someone who just lost their job to someone protesting lawncare? Letting people see the collections reports does NOT allow them to understand what is going on personally or financially with that member.
I would inform the people who are asking/demanding that it means that ALL their laundry can be aired too. You can give out THEIR information as well. I am sure once they realize the can of worms they open. They may second guess their stand.
Keep in mind that you CAN reveal the number of total lots NOT paying, total collected each month, and if you are pursuing liens/foreclosures. That's all the information anyone besides the board needs to know anyways. It's not like an individual can force a member to pay. Hence why HOA's are allowed to lien/foreclose.

Former HOA President
TracyT (Maryland)
Posts: 228
Posted:
Jodi

"They are against the assessment. We the board elected to start the leaning process on these homeowners. One of those homeowners is requesting from the management company all of the names of the homeowner who have not paid."

FL has very progressive laws protecting homeowners rights in an association. There was another recent post on this forum about a FL HOA member who is suing their board for not providing requested information for 2 years.

You might ask the homeowner why s/he is wants the information. My guess is like I said they want to organize and opt out of the improvement. That would be a justifable request for the information. Check your state laws, contact an attorney if you think you need to. If this homeowner decides to sue the HOA the information will become available during the 'discovery' process.

Work with the homeowner to find an acceptable resolution. Maybe you could send a notice to the other 12 on behalf of this owner - you have not revealed their identity.

Tracy
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
I feel the same way most do that I don't think it is anyone's business, however, the last post was one of the best. If a case ever got to court that information would become public. Giving out lot numbers is just as bad as giving out personal addresses because anyone with any computer savvy can find who lives there.

I agree that it shouldn't be done, however, don't get yourself in a situation where you go to court over it because you firmly believe it should never be disclosed. IF you are ever in that situation an attorney's advice would be wise.
GloriaM (North Carolina)
Posts: 829
Posted:
Jodi:

I am sure Florida has a law that Owners have the right to view association documents. I would not make a copy to give to this Owner, however if this Owner was to make an appointment and come to the MC, they should be afforded that right. Because they are a part of the membership they have the right to know. As always check your state law first.

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