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NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
I have been wondering about self-managed HOAs in highly regulated states.

I know that Board meetings must be pre-announced, agendas distributed, etc.

But since you don't have an MC, many of the functions you probably perform on a day-to-day basis don't involve Board level decisions. And Board members might want to talk to each other when dealing with these day-to-day issues.

Two issues I would like to understand better:

1. How would/do your HOs respond if your BOD communicated with each other on these activities/decisions that MCs typically take care of?

2. There is no real consistency in what decision-making is typically delegated to an MC. So the line between BODs and MCs could IMO get quite fuzzy.

What triggered these questions is that in my HOA, one Board member is assigned to all major on-site service contracts (snow, landscaping, trees, trash). Those designated Board members can make decisions on their own, but often ask other board members what they would do. That's one of the ways that we learn from each other.

We take the same approach with emails. One Board member responds to HOs, but frequently solicits and gets input from other Board members.

My state is not an open meeting state, so no issue for us today. But I would like to understand better what might change if the PA legislature passed open meeting laws.

Thanks.

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SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
We’re not self-managed, but I think board members should keep each other in the loop – if one had to step down for whatever reason, the others could pick up the slack until he or she was replaced.
You might want to start with your governing documents to determine what absolutely should be reviewed and voted up by the entire board vs. routine things that a single board member might be able to handle. Generally, I would think certain expenses exceeding a specific amount must be pre-approved by the board, while routine services could be handled by the designated board member. Certain decisions, such as approving exterior change requests, rule enforcement or collecting on delinquent assessments should be also decided by the entire board.

During board meetings, each director should be giving an individual reports for his/her problem (hit upon the highlights during the meeting and put the details in the written report). Those reports should be attached to meeting minutes and made available to other homeowners upon request, along with other related documents, such as emails, receipts, invoices, etc.

When it comes to communications, email is a great way to speed things along, but be sure everyone is being copied. You should also have a process to preserve those emails in case a homeowner wants to inspect them. Actually, you’ll need a formal email policy and all board members should have a designated email to use only for Association business.

The same approach could be used for homeowner communication – if the issue concerns a certain board member’s area, it could be referred to him/her for initial review. If it’s relatively simple to handle, the board member could do it, but has to document what was done and when, copy other board members and all this should be placed in the Association’s records. If it’s a phone call, you don’t need to record the conversation, but the board member should be able to summarize a conversation in writing, such as “On Dec. 15, Mr. X of 125 main streets, called me about….”

You might not have a state requirement for open meetings, but you might want to consider opening yours up anyway. You can have a resident forum at the beginning of the meeting so people can make suggestions or comments, but put a time limit on it, and afterwards tell everyone the rest of the meeting is for agenda items and while they can stay and listen, no comments or questions will be taken from the floor so the board can get through everything. It’s always better if people have a chance to listen to the debate behind the issues so they’ll understand why something is or isn’t being done – even if they don’t agree, most will appreciate the opportunity to listen in.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
My HOA is not self-managed, but self- managed or not there are times when directors need to communicate with one another between meetings here in Cali. The two best ways to "get things done" between meetings involve delegation and making sure the topic only is discussed by less than a quorum (majority) of directors. Another easy way, since our directors often are available a lot, is to call an emergency meeting. I may be wrong, but it seems to me that David of highly-regulated VA in on the board of a large, complex self-managed HOA. So he might want to jump in.

We meet monthly. The below seems only to apply to email, but the same would hold if by phone or in person:

"Allowable Email. Boards of directors are allowed to exchange emails under the following conditions: Emergency Exception. "Electronic transmissions may be used as a method of conducting an emergency meeting if all members of the board, individually or collectively, consent in writing to that action . . ." (Civ. Code §4910(b)(2).)

Minority of Directors. Fewer than a majority of directors may discuss or comment on an item of business so long as the email exchange does not become a "series" of emails involving a majority of the board. (Civ. Code §4910(b).)

"...Following are examples of allowable email exchanges:

setting dates and times for meetings,

distributing information for meetings,

requesting that items be placed on the agenda (prune trees, repair streets, create committees, paint buildings, repair roofs, etc.), and

informational emails (informing directors of educational events, reporting the status of fence repairs, distributing interim financial statements, etc).

Delegated Authority. Administrative and oversight tasks can still be handled via emails if delegated to a person or persons such as the president and/or...a committee. Once delegated, the president ... can make decisions and retain the right of email consultation with directors. Delegated business is specifically exempted:

If the president has the authority to make decisions, he/she can ask for input from other directors before doing so without violating the Open Meeting Act. If a board is worried about delegating too much authority to the president, they can form an Executive Committee with two or more directors, but less than the entire board, to handle issues between board meetings.

Read more: Email Meetings http://www.davis-stirling.com/MainIndex/tabid/480/Default.aspx#ixzz3M0CxOxqQ
from Davis-Stirling.com by Adams Kessler PLC.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
NP,

We are self managed, 130 homes.

Our meeting dates are published in our newsletter and on our website. We typically set dates 3 months in advance. Meeting packets are available at the meeting. Agendas are not required to be per-announced.

Very few others attend these meetings who are not required to attend. Typically, those that do attend have an issue that directly affects them.

As for communications, we do use e-mail. We may discuss minor issues but keep decisions on all issues and major discussions for the meetings. Even when minor issues are discussed, they are mentioned in the next meeting minutes.

We have not had a complaint on this process.

As for other duties, we delegate and empower our Officers.

For example, our Treasurer may waive up to three months of charges at their discretion. Our Maintenance Officer (the one who oversees the contracts) may contact the snow removal contractors for spot clean-up at their desecration (loader and removal services require Board approval). For tree removal we discuss the general parameters and priority (based off an arborists report) and approve the Maintenance Officer to contract based on those parameters up to a $x amount.

Emergencies are handled as an action without meeting, which requires written unanimous consent and the written consent (e-mails) to be attached to the next meetings minutes.

RayC4 (Virginia)
Posts: 173
Posted:
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Posted By NpS on 12/15/2014 12:00 PM
Those designated Board members can make decisions on their own, but often ask other board members what they would do.

I'm surprised that PA is not an 'open meeting' state when it comes to HOA's.

Anyway, this post got me wondering about a related question: How do you differentiate designated BOD members making decisions "on their own" -- and BOD decisions duly made at 'open' meetings? Which issues rise to the level of a formal BOD meeting vs. ones that don't (but still require some decision and/or action?)
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Shouldn't start typing before I fully engage my brain but, in general terms, I'd say that all policy decisions, expenditures from reserves and budget decisions should only be discussed, deliberated and voted on in open, noticed meetings of the Board (in CA).

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By RayC4 on 12/15/2014 2:33 PM
How do you differentiate designated BOD members making decisions "on their own" -- and BOD decisions duly made at 'open' meetings? Which issues rise to the level of a formal BOD meeting vs. ones that don't (but still require some decision and/or action?)

Ray,

I would say it's based on duties and if there is expenditure of funds. Except for my previous post, expenditures of any amount require approval from the Board. Contract renewals have the board approve the request for proposal (ROP) that is sent out. Then it's up to the one or two people assigned to the task to mail the ROP, collect responses, correlate responses, review references and provide a comparisons of all bids received along with a recommendation on who to chose to the Board. The Board typically receives the comparisons ahead of time via e-mail so the individual Director has time to read, do any extra research that they desire and formulate questions. The actual discussion and questions are done at the meeting. The Board makes the final decision.

Therefore, as I said, how much you empower an Officer position is up to the Board. I would suspect it varies from Association to Association (as it should).

Keep in mind that I'm in an HOA. COAs (condominiums) have their own unique issues and this thread would likely need to differentiate between self management of HOAs and COAs.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By KerryL1 on 12/15/2014 2:51 PM
Shouldn't start typing before I fully engage my brain but, in general terms, I'd say that all policy decisions, expenditures from reserves and budget decisions should only be discussed, deliberated and voted on in open, noticed meetings of the Board (in CA).


Kerry

While I am all for openness, I am afraid the average homeowner does not know the difference nor can read what the numbers mean between 2012 Proposed Budget, 2102 Budget To Date, 2012 Actual, 2013 Proposed Budget, etc. A least one on our BOD still does not understand the differences.

Most owners show up as they have a personal issue/agenda and that is all they are concerned about.

I am here to suggest we employ a dog poo DNA company to find out whose dog poo is on my front lawn.

Who do you suggest pays for the dog poo DNA?

I believe it is an association issue and they should pay.

Did you not hear us on our association's financial crisis?

Yes I did, but I am still concerned about dog poo problems.

DUH...........


Sometimes we have to "protect our children" and man oh man, I am going to be called to task for that usage of that expression......LOL
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
This would apply whether the HOA was managed by professionals (loosely spoken) or self managed.

I think most know I am a big advocate of transparency within any HOA, but the fools who wrote our HOA laws or regulations are MORONS, and could NEVER run our state government in the same manner.

I believe strongly that there should be back and forth discussions between INTERESTED directors generally by email prior to a meeting.

I will give one example. In 2011, we were bidding on installing smart computerized irrigation controllers for our common area. We spend about $200K per year on common area water alone. This was a $32K project, with the potential of $10k in rebates. The savings, if water and sewer rates remained the same, would amount to $950K over 20 years. I spent 2 weeks selling this to the Board and answering questions. At the Board meeting, we discussed a summary, with all the analysis prior to actually voting in open session. That issue along would have taken three hours at a Board meeting, IF directors even read the packets beforehand.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
John: ... Dog poo??? Tell your homeowners to take a picture on their cell phone of the offender and send to the local authorities. Most local governments have ordinances that individuals are responsible for cleaning up after their animals. My city has many walking paths and also has many stations where owners can obtain dog poop bags to clean up after their pet. Everybody needs to start putting responsibility where it belongs.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I really respect your advice, Janet, but dog poo?? This truly isn't the OP's concern.

But there are some posters who like the tangent approach to topics,
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
Thanks Sheila

Quote:
Posted By SheliaH on 12/15/2014 1:13 PM
We’re not self-managed, but I think board members should keep each other in the loop – if one had to step down for whatever reason, the others could pick up the slack until he or she was replaced.

Absolutely agree.

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Posted By SheliaH on 12/15/2014 1:13 PM
You might want to start with your governing documents to determine what absolutely should be reviewed and voted up by the entire board vs. routine things that a single board member might be able to handle. Generally, I would think certain expenses exceeding a specific amount must be pre-approved by the board, while routine services could be handled by the designated board member. Certain decisions, such as approving exterior change requests, rule enforcement or collecting on delinquent assessments should be also decided by the entire board.

Once the HOA members ratify the budget, we're pretty much off to the races. All major relationships are by contract that is approved by entire board, so designated contact does not have that much latitude. Payments over a certain dollar figure must be approved by 2 board members, but that's a financial control - it does not affect the approval of the expenditure which remains with the individual.

95% of the time we approve exterior change requests within 48 hours. In a 30-year old townhouse community, new issues are rare. All done via email. Rule enforcement is also by email. Haven't fined anyone in years. Rarely collected when we did. Now have electronic visibility into every HOs account. At most, 5 HOs on our watch list - 3 are always the same. The only issue we decide as a group is when HOA attorney should send Stage 1 and Stage 2 collection letters. Also done via email.

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Posted By SheliaH on 12/15/2014 1:13 PM
During board meetings, each director should be giving an individual reports for his/her problem (hit upon the highlights during the meeting and put the details in the written report). Those reports should be attached to meeting minutes and made available to other homeowners upon request, along with other related documents, such as emails, receipts, invoices, etc.

We get a monthly financial packet from our MC (they do financials and records retention) via email. If, anything jumps out, one of us will email everyone and ask if we should get together to discuss. We no longer hold regular meetings because most everything is dealt with in real-time.

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Posted By SheliaH on 12/15/2014 1:13 PM
When it comes to communications, email is a great way to speed things along, but be sure everyone is being copied. You should also have a process to preserve those emails in case a homeowner wants to inspect them. Actually, you’ll need a formal email policy and all board members should have a designated email to use only for Association business.

The same approach could be used for homeowner communication – if the issue concerns a certain board member’s area, it could be referred to him/her for initial review. If it’s relatively simple to handle, the board member could do it, but has to document what was done and when, copy other board members and all this should be placed in the Association’s records. If it’s a phone call, you don’t need to record the conversation, but the board member should be able to summarize a conversation in writing, such as “On Dec. 15, Mr. X of 125 main streets, called me about….”

Any email to HOA is forwarded to all board members even if addressed to only one of us. All voice mails to dedicated phone line are also emailed to all board members in real-time. Any board member can respond. We are about to purchase chromebooks for each board member for dedicated use on HOA business. Since we got away from full service MC, more and more stuff is accumulating on personal systems - we intend to keep all chromebooks synched - fingers crossed on that one.

For now, I'm in charge of the emails to HOs. To a large extent I already know how the dedicated board member will respond - if unsure, I will reach out to find out. My priority is 48-hour turnaround. If we don't keep them waiting, our HOs have an easier time accepting good and bad news.

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Posted By SheliaH on 12/15/2014 1:13 PM
You might not have a state requirement for open meetings, but you might want to consider opening yours up anyway. You can have a resident forum at the beginning of the meeting so people can make suggestions or comments, but put a time limit on it, and afterwards tell everyone the rest of the meeting is for agenda items and while they can stay and listen, no comments or questions will be taken from the floor so the board can get through everything. It’s always better if people have a chance to listen to the debate behind the issues so they’ll understand why something is or isn’t being done – even if they don’t agree, most will appreciate the opportunity to listen in.

In addition to annual meeting, we usually hold about 2 information meetings a year. Make presentations. Bring in speakers. Hold private board meeting before and/or after - Intention is not to exclude, but to keep discussion on track. Biggest issue for us is coordination, scheduling, and time. At most recent community meeting, board met for 45 minutes before, HO meeting took just under 1 1/2 hours, and we met afterward for about 45 minutes. Long night after a day's work for some of us.

Also, any time we are planning to change a significant policy, we announce and hold an open meeting. We present objectives, lay out the board's proposal, and offer for a group to form to come up with an alternate plan. We will designate a board member to work with the group. If we like their plan, we will adopt it even if we think our plan is better. The last time we did this, 25% of the community was involved in the working discussions. Being able to tell a dissenting HO that the plan we adopted from these meetings has paid off big-time. Starting to see faces we have rarely seen before at these meetings.

I would be concerned if a one-size-fits-all statute could sweep away some of the good things we think we have created.

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NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
Thanks Kerry

Quote:
Posted By KerryL1 on 12/15/2014 1:14 PM
there are times when directors need to communicate with one another between meetings here in Cali. The two best ways to "get things done" between meetings involve delegation and making sure the topic only is discussed by less than a quorum (majority) of directors. Another easy way, since our directors often are available a lot, is to call an emergency meeting.

We meet monthly.

Since we no longer hold monthly meetings (see response to Sheila above), I suppose that all of our meetings other than annual meeting could be classified as "emergency."

Avoiding a quorum would be a problem. We tend to keep everything fluid. Whoever is available and interested participates. For example, biggest expense is landscaping and trees. We walk the grounds at least once a year with arborist. We do the same with landscape designer. We can have 1 to 5 (all) board members participate in the walk. Would put a cramp in our style if we had to start restricting participation.

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Posted By KerryL1 on 12/15/2014 1:14 PM
The below seems only to apply to email, but the same would hold if by phone or in person:

"Allowable Email. Boards of directors are allowed to exchange emails under the following conditions: Emergency Exception. "Electronic transmissions may be used as a method of conducting an emergency meeting if all members of the board, individually or collectively, consent in writing to that action . . ." (Civ. Code §4910(b)(2).)

Minority of Directors. Fewer than a majority of directors may discuss or comment on an item of business so long as the email exchange does not become a "series" of emails involving a majority of the board. (Civ. Code §4910(b).)

"...Following are examples of allowable email exchanges:

setting dates and times for meetings,

distributing information for meetings,

requesting that items be placed on the agenda (prune trees, repair streets, create committees, paint buildings, repair roofs, etc.), and

informational emails (informing directors of educational events, reporting the status of fence repairs, distributing interim financial statements, etc).

Most of this could probably work for us. But - not unusual for us to have series of email exchanges involving a majority of the board - that's how we decide whether there is enough reason to get together for a meeting. Emails are usually brief but often express an opinion.

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Posted By KerryL1 on 12/15/2014 1:14 PM
Delegated Authority. Administrative and oversight tasks can still be handled via emails if delegated to a person or persons such as the president and/or...a committee. Once delegated, the president ... can make decisions and retain the right of email consultation with directors. Delegated business is specifically exempted:

If the president has the authority to make decisions, he/she can ask for input from other directors before doing so without violating the Open Meeting Act. If a board is worried about delegating too much authority to the president, they can form an Executive Committee with two or more directors, but less than the entire board, to handle issues between board meetings..

This would appear to be the catch-all that would allow us to continue doing things as we do them now. Based on what I described in response to Sheila above, do you agree?

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NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
Thanks Tim

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Posted By TimB4 on 12/15/2014 1:51 PM
We are self managed, 130 homes.

Our meeting dates are published in our newsletter and on our website. We typically set dates 3 months in advance. Meeting packets are available at the meeting. Agendas are not required to be per-announced.

Very few others attend these meetings who are not required to attend. Typically, those that do attend have an issue that directly affects them.

We are trying to get away from poorly attended meetings and having issues raised for the first time at meetings. We typically get between 15 and 35 households out of 80 represented at meetings. 3-5 are board members - so approx. 10 to 30 others. Would find it a huge waste of time if less than 10 others show up.

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Posted By TimB4 on 12/15/2014 1:51 PM
As for communications, we do use e-mail. We may discuss minor issues but keep decisions on all issues and major discussions for the meetings. Even when minor issues are discussed, they are mentioned in the next meeting minutes.

We have not had a complaint on this process.

Because of our commitment to turn most things around in 48 hours, it would be difficult to abide by your delayed decision making arrangement. Glad that it works for you.

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Posted By TimB4 on 12/15/2014 1:51 PM
As for other duties, we delegate and empower our Officers.

For example, our Treasurer may waive up to three months of charges at their discretion. Our Maintenance Officer (the one who oversees the contracts) may contact the snow removal contractors for spot clean-up at their desecration (loader and removal services require Board approval). For tree removal we discuss the general parameters and priority (based off an arborists report) and approve the Maintenance Officer to contract based on those parameters up to a $x amount.

I like the way that you always differentiate between Board member functions and Officer functions. So very few people do so, and it leads to confusion.

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Posted By TimB4 on 12/15/2014 1:51 PM
Emergencies are handled as an action without meeting, which requires written unanimous consent and the written consent (e-mails) to be attached to the next meetings minutes

If there is anything we are weak on, it's minutes taking. We take minutes at all gatherings - but we rely on our email archive for all else. We maintain an email folder for every HO and every vendor - so fairly easy to work with the info we have.

We do not publish meeting minutes - we will when we have a new website up and running. Right now, we provide only upon request. No requests in over a year.

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NpS (Pennsylvania)
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Posted By RayC4 on 12/15/2014 2:33 PM
Posted By NpS on 12/15/2014 12:00 PM
Those designated Board members can make decisions on their own, but often ask other board members what they would do.


I'm surprised that PA is not an 'open meeting' state when it comes to HOA's.

Anyway, this post got me wondering about a related question: How do you differentiate designated BOD members making decisions "on their own" -- and BOD decisions duly made at 'open' meetings? Which issues rise to the level of a formal BOD meeting vs. ones that don't (but still require some decision and/or action?)

My question exactly Ray - just stated better by you.

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NpS (Pennsylvania)
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Posted By TimB4 on 12/15/2014 3:43 PM
Posted By RayC4 on 12/15/2014 2:33 PM
How do you differentiate designated BOD members making decisions "on their own" -- and BOD decisions duly made at 'open' meetings? Which issues rise to the level of a formal BOD meeting vs. ones that don't (but still require some decision and/or action?)


Ray,

I would say it's based on duties and if there is expenditure of funds. Except for my previous post, expenditures of any amount require approval from the Board. Contract renewals have the board approve the request for proposal (ROP) that is sent out. Then it's up to the one or two people assigned to the task to mail the ROP, collect responses, correlate responses, review references and provide a comparisons of all bids received along with a recommendation on who to chose to the Board. The Board typically receives the comparisons ahead of time via e-mail so the individual Director has time to read, do any extra research that they desire and formulate questions. The actual discussion and questions are done at the meeting. The Board makes the final decision.

Therefore, as I said, how much you empower an Officer position is up to the Board. I would suspect it varies from Association to Association (as it should).

Keep in mind that I'm in an HOA. COAs (condominiums) have their own unique issues and this thread would likely need to differentiate between self management of HOAs and COAs.

With you all the way Tim.

Re soliciting RFPs and vetting vendors, my understanding is that in open meeting states, those activities are generally done privately by the board anyway. So no distinction between open states and closed states.

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NpS (Pennsylvania)
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Posted By JohnC46 on 12/15/2014 5:03 PM
Posted By KerryL1 on 12/15/2014 2:51 PM
Shouldn't start typing before I fully engage my brain but, in general terms, I'd say that all policy decisions, expenditures from reserves and budget decisions should only be discussed, deliberated and voted on in open, noticed meetings of the Board (in CA).



Kerry

While I am all for openness, I am afraid the average homeowner does not know the difference nor can read what the numbers mean between 2012 Proposed Budget, 2102 Budget To Date, 2012 Actual, 2013 Proposed Budget, etc. A least one on our BOD still does not understand the differences.

Most owners show up as they have a personal issue/agenda and that is all they are concerned about.

I am here to suggest we employ a dog poo DNA company to find out whose dog poo is on my front lawn.

Who do you suggest pays for the dog poo DNA?

I believe it is an association issue and they should pay.

Did you not hear us on our association's financial crisis?

Yes I did, but I am still concerned about dog poo problems.

DUH...........


Sometimes we have to "protect our children" and man oh man, I am going to be called to task for that usage of that expression......LOL

Agreed and agreed John.

In the last two year's annual meetings, there has only been on question about a line item in the budget. I watched as everyone else's eyes glazed over.

Like you, I agree that "who pays?" should be part of every conversation. The answer "the association" is pathetic, especially when the HOA is staring at some tough financial issues.

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NpS (Pennsylvania)
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Posted By RichardP13 on 12/15/2014 6:12 PM
I believe strongly that there should be back and forth discussions between INTERESTED directors generally by email prior to a meeting.

I will give one example. In 2011, we were bidding on installing smart computerized irrigation controllers for our common area. We spend about $200K per year on common area water alone. This was a $32K project, with the potential of $10k in rebates. The savings, if water and sewer rates remained the same, would amount to $950K over 20 years. I spent 2 weeks selling this to the Board and answering questions. At the Board meeting, we discussed a summary, with all the analysis prior to actually voting in open session. That issue along would have taken three hours at a Board meeting, IF directors even read the packets beforehand.

Yup yup yup yup. Don't know how else you could implement any changes of significant scale.

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TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By NpS on 12/16/2014 12:10 AM

Re soliciting RFPs and vetting vendors, my understanding is that in open meeting states, those activities are generally done privately by the board anyway. So no distinction between open states and closed states.

Actually, that varies as well.

When we have comparisons given to the Board, we identify the vendors as a,b,c,etc.
We discuss the pros and cons in an open meeting and make the decision in an open meeting.

Simply because has an option to discuss such things in executive session doesn't mean that the Board has to exercise that option.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
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Posted By TimB4 on 12/16/2014 1:06 AM
Posted By NpS on 12/16/2014 12:10 AM

Re soliciting RFPs and vetting vendors, my understanding is that in open meeting states, those activities are generally done privately by the board anyway. So no distinction between open states and closed states.


Actually, that varies as well.

When we have comparisons given to the Board, we identify the vendors as a,b,c,etc.
We discuss the pros and cons in an open meeting and make the decision in an open meeting.

Simply because has an option to discuss such things in executive session doesn't mean that the Board has to exercise that option.

Food for thought. Thanks.

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.

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