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DorothyO (Washington)
Posts: 293
Posted:
My esteemed posters,
Could someone please help me understand what this means in my Bylaws?

"The Architectural Review Committee shall consist of three members drawn from the Association membership. They shall be appointed by the Board for one year terms and shall serve until their successors are elected and qualified. Their appointments will be ratified by 50% affirmative vote plus one (1) of the members present at the next special meeting or annual meeting following their appointment."

1)Are they appointed by the Board AND elected? What if the membership chooses not to elect whom the Board has appointed? This could go on and on, yeah?

2) Since terms run 1 year from January to January, and the ARC is always selected at the annual meeting, what does this mean that their appointments won't be ratified until the NEXT annual meeting, following their appointment?

Our history shows members of the ARC volunteering and being elected at each annual meeting, no ballots, just a show of hands. There has never been an issue since the developer pulled out fourteen years ago. However, last year, when the Agenda was received in the mail, all three ARC members contacted the Board and said they would like to continue. But at the meeting, when we went to vote on their appointment, another member said he wanted to be on the committee. I said that he needed to have come to the Board sooner to let us know he was interested in serving, and these three members have already committed. I said he could volunteer next year. So, the three were voted in at the meeting, no one actually understanding what that Bylaw was saying either!

So, "next" year is here. Again these three have committed (they are great -- three engineers who know how to read blueprints, drawings and diagrams), and neither this fellow nor anyone else expressed an interest in serving on the committee. Do I reach out to him?

Here's the kicker, if I reach out to him, it is guaranteed that the other three will resign. In fact, it's highly likely no one will want to serve with him. He happens to be the main troublemaker in the 'hood. Do we risk losing a solid ARC, if the Board can, indeed, "appoint" for ratification the ARC?

Thanks so much.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Dorothy

be·nign ne·glect
noun
a noninterference that is intended to benefit someone or something more than continual attention would.

Do nothing. Especially do not encourage the flake.

RayC4 (Virginia)
Posts: 173
Posted:
I agree this By-law language is a bit tortured. It sounds to me that it was contemplated that the BOD would have the appointments locked and loaded and stipulated on the meeting agenda distributed beforehand. Then the three are formally appointed and ratified (by the 50% + 1 vote). Deal done for another year.

As to the political issue, yeah the other fellow could be told that he needed to let the BOD know of his interest ahead of time, so that the BOD can vote among themselves (in a BOD meeting) as to who they are appointing for the upcoming year. However, I do think it would be more proper to 'notice' members (maybe thru Newsletter, web site, or whatever) that the BOD will begin considering folks for the ARC role a month or two before that BOD meeting.

As to the upcoming appointments, I'd let sleeping dogs lie.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Dorthy,

A ratification is a review and formal approval of an action taken on behalf of a group. In other words, the membership can object to who is serving on the Architectural Committee. If the membership doesn't ratify the appointment, the member would be removed.

The process of ratification is similar to an election. That is, votes are made (but could be by voice vs. ballots). However, the initial appointment is made by the Board. The members aren't electing who will be on the committee, the members are actually saying (electing) who will not be on the committee. Almost the same thing, but just different enough to make it confusing.

Note: Based on the language, your Association could actually have an individual be appointed to the committee for a full year before the Association ratifies the appointment.

Basically, and this is really the main thing about the language, the membership has an opportunity to say that someone should not be serving in that capacity. That is a good thing.

In many Associations, the membership doesn't have that opportunity. If they didn't want someone serving on the Committee they would need to recall the Board and hope the new board removes the individual.

Mind you, one could interpret the language to mean that the Architectural committee must have a minimum of three (vs. only three). The Board could appoint the volunteer as a fourth member of the committee if they wanted to and if there were no objections you would be ok. Personally, this is what I would do as I hate to tell a volunteer no and have them not volunteer later when we really need them.

LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Dorothy,

If your members cannot wait for the next annual meeting, under the quoted bylaw you can have a special meeting to ratify the appointments.

I am not sure if it is proper under this bylaw to elect members directly to the ARC; it is the job of the BOD to appoint and members to ratify.

How difficult is it to change the bylaw to something more workable?

DorothyO (Washington)
Posts: 293
Posted:
Hey, thanks you guys. Tim, I instinctually thought as much, Board apppoints but membership has first right of refusal, so to speak. It is a good plan. The main confusion for me was the "ratification" at the next annual meeting. I do get the part about appointing someone before the next annual meeting and waiting for their ratification then. But the Bylaw does not make any distinctions between appointing somene mid-stream and appointing someone at the meeting. I'm still not clear on that. As for inviting him anyway, like I said, the other three would resign if they had to work with him. I'm inclined to follow the literal language on this one.

And Ray, yeah, we typically do send out notices ahead of the meeting when we need a position filled, but those three threw in their hats before I had to solicit anyone.

Now, JohnC46, my South Carolina fave, you know that "benign neglect" is an adverb/verb phrase, not a noun. But I'ma gonna follow it, yes indeedy, benign neglect.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By DorothyO on 12/10/2014 4:17 PM

the Bylaw does not make any distinctions between appointing somene mid-stream and appointing someone at the meeting. I'm still not clear on that.

It doesn't make any distinction because there is none.
The Board may appoint someone to the Committee at anytime.
The membership will ratify said appointment at the next annual meeting (be it 1 week or 12 months away) or, if desired, at a special meeting called specifically for that purpose.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I think you should be benignly neglectful too, Dorothy O. And, methinks, for the purest of reasons. Keeping your three experts (lucky you!) is in the best interests of your HOA as a whole!

We kept a--the only--volunteer off the Board when we had vacancy because her appointment would not have served the best interests of our HOA. N
DorothyO (Washington)
Posts: 293
Posted:
Okay, okay, I do get that, but if the BOD can appoint anyone at anytime, including at the annual meeting, tell me why have to wait until the NEXT annual meeting to ratify who was just appointed at this meeting. Please, forgive my obtuseness, really, I know I am missing something here!

Larry, it probably wouldn't be so hard to amend this Bylaw to mean what we have been doing anyway -- ratifying at the annual meeting the ARC the Board has appointed. I can't imagine it being construed as changing the "intent" of the Bylaw, but since I STILL DON"T UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS INTENT IS!!!!, maybe it would be hard!
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By DorothyO on 12/10/2014 4:57 PM
Okay, okay, I do get that, but if the BOD can appoint anyone at anytime, including at the annual meeting, tell me why have to wait until the NEXT annual meeting to ratify who was just appointed at this meeting.

You don't have to wait. You can call a special meeting of the membership for that purpose.

Since there is typically only one meeting of the general membership annually, therefore, the document specified "the annual meeting." However, also allowed for it to be done at any other meeting of the general membership.

Hence, the interpretation of that section is that the ratification is do be done by the membership at a general membership meeting. That meeting may be the annual meeting or, if desired, the Board may follow procedures outlined in your governing documents and call a special meeting (i.e. a meeting other than the annual meeting)of the membership at ask for ratification at that time.
DorothyO (Washington)
Posts: 293
Posted:
Aaaccckkkk! I don't want to have to call a Special Meeting!!! I want to
DorothyO (Washington)
Posts: 293
Posted:
Let's start over. "You don't have to wait. You can call a special meeting of the membership for that purpose." Let me just ask it this way. January 8, 2015 is our annual meeting. For the sake of discussion we are going to say there is a quorum so business can be conducted. At this meeting, can we vote in the ARC?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
yes
DorothyO (Washington)
Posts: 293
Posted:
Thank you, thank you, thank you, sorry, sorry, sorry! You're the best Mr. TimB4 Virginia!

Dorothy
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
I agree with Tim. In the future if or when you amend your governing documents just remove the last sentence of this section to make it more clear. For majority of associations the ACC is appointed by the BOD.

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