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MichelleO3 (California)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Our board is full at 5. I am finding that 2 out of the 5 ( sometimes a 3rd person helps) but there are really 2 dead beats on baord who never answer calls, emails or correspondence from our management company. then they act surprised when our board meeting arrives and they are clueless about what is happening.

I am frustrated to the point of needing to assign tasks to these dead beats so they can be held responsible for certain items..

Apathy amongst a board is bad. Pleae advise how to stir interests.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Seems like you asked this question previously. What suggestions did your receive, Michelle. If you'll summarize those for us, and if you implemented them, I and others might be able to come up with some different approaches.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Michelle,

Alas, sometimes an individual on the Board is simply a seat warmer.

My suggestion is to not give them any tasks that you actually need done in a timely manner. Yes, they may get the blame but the task still won't be done and the Association will be the one that pays.

If you have three individuals doing the work, do what you can. Those things that can't be done by the three simply won't be done. Do what needs to be done and the rest can wait for the next board where, hopefully, there will be less seat warmers.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Michelle,

Just what is it you think the board members should be doing outside of the meetings?

From what you describe it sounds like the so-called "deadbeats" are doing their job just as it should be done.

California case law holds that board members are supposed to receive information in an open meeting and not through some sort of clandestine channel. If there is an issue for the board it should be on the agenda so it may be acted upon at the meeting.

Board members are elected to attend meetings, receive information at a meeting, and make decisions at a meeting. It is not their job to "be held responsible for certain items" nor is it within the authority of any other board member to make such a demand.

MichelleO3 (California)
Posts: 4
Posted:
One of the examples.. our social committee that consists of board members were to plan a holiday event. It fell on one of the others shoulder so it won't happen. One of the other members were suppose to pick up some items for another event.. it didn't happen.

This is my first post BTW.. not sure what you are saying kerry.. thanks though.
MichelleO3 (California)
Posts: 4
Posted:
One of the examples.. our social committee that consists of board members were to plan a holiday event. It fell on one of the others shoulder so it won't happen. One of the other members were suppose to pick up some items for another event.. it didn't happen.

This is my first post BTW.. not sure what you are saying kerry.. thanks though.
MichelleO3 (California)
Posts: 4
Posted:
One of the examples.. our social committee that consists of board members were to plan a holiday event. It fell on one of the others shoulder so it won't happen. One of the other members were suppose to pick up some items for another event.. it didn't happen.

This is my first post BTW.. not sure what you are saying kerry.. thanks though.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Michelle,

My opinion of social events is that the Board has enough to do just running the day to day business of the Association. If a social event is desired, ask for volunteers to plan, setup, etc. If no volunteers step forward, the event isn't wanted by the members.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
My apologies, Michelle, and welcome to the Forum.

What size is your HOA? Is your PM onsite or is your HOA part of a offsite manager's portfolio? Do you meet monthly? Do you have committees other than the Social Committee? Are you the president or do you hold some other office?

I'm better at understanding issues if I know something about the HOA, for instance, an HOA with 300 condos is very different than one with 20 detached homes. With a Board of five, I'm guessing your HOA is not really small.

Our Social Committee currently is comprised of five non-directors. Even if your bylaws say very little about committees, you can turn to CA Corporations Code for info. For more on Committees in CA, go to davis-stirling.com and scroll the Main Index to Committees

And Tim's right. Boards often have plenty to do without adding on committee service. Find non director volunteers.

And Larry's right too; Especially in CA, there should be hardly any communication among directors between board meetings because of the Davis-Stirling Open Meeting Act. Your PM should send or have available board packets with the agenda and all supporting materials in it 4-6 days days before your regular meetings. Or does your MC only collect dues and handle correspondence?
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
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Posted By TimB4 on 11/30/2014 2:54 PM
Michelle,

My opinion of social events is that the Board has enough to do just running the day to day business of the Association. If a social event is desired, ask for volunteers to plan, setup, etc. If no volunteers step forward, the event isn't wanted by the members.

Ditto ... If members not willing to step forward for HOA event ... then possibly families are tied up elsewhere. I would suggest spend that extra time on your family events vs neighborhood event that possibly others not have time or desire. I know my family at this time would not have extra time to spare this holiday season . As a board member do not take things personal, and try to be sure and consider all aspects. This is not a do or die situation and best to let go with no grudges against others ...

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