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RonW7 (Ohio)
Posts: 122
Posted:
We're about to start enforcing late fees for our community and I want to know what all of you do as far as late fees are concerned. My idea is to charge 19.2% of their unpaid balance as it stands on the date that their payment is late. Here's how it would work:

Member pays on time January, February, and March. They've paid $390 for the year so far. However, they miss April, so they are now in arrears by $130. Therefore, we will assess them a 19.2% ($25) fee which is taken off their paid balance of $390, taking the total paid down to $365. This means they are now in arrears by $155. Now let's say they skip April entirely and just pay $130 for May. They are still behind by $155, so we take 19.2% of that and bill them $154.96. If they fail to pay that by the next cycle, they'll owe $184.72 and then $220.18 and etc etc etc.

I like it. What do you think?
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Sounds too complicated and depending on how you do it, against the law.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Look at how banks do collections and use that as a guide. Interest is usualy under 8% but that is added onto the total of late fees and dues owed when liened or foreclosure. Our late fees were a fixed $20 and charged after the 15th of the month. Our dues were only $50 a month. That is about the rate of bad check fees.

Plus you need a fixed time line. We have a 6 month lien policy and a 1 year CONSIDER foreclosure. A fixed time helps than just deciding when you do not like the situation.

Former HOA President
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Your state laws, Ron, may have a lid on what you can charge. Find out. Looks complicated to me too, btw.
BobD4 (up north)
Posts: 1,002
Posted:
worth checking whether your CCRs/ condo by-laws whatever plus state interest limits, allow usury. Do your bylaws contemplate interest level like this ?

Just a rough calculation without financial skills, suggests that just an unpaid single month's $100 arrear would attract - after 12 end of period monthly compoundings at 19.2 % - an additional $1,561.19 in monthly compounded interest for a total unpaid balance of $1,661.19 at end of the 12th monthly compounding period.

Thus, unless my unskilled math is wrong, this would indicate an annual interest rate of 1561 %

Not sure if you folks have an Interest Act, but annual interest up here is limited at 60 %, above which deemed unenforceable usury offence.

Wonder how a judge would like hearing : " Well your honour we are seeking from the defaulting homeowener monthly compounded interest that accrues /is expressed annually at 1,561 % per annum !"
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Ron we just charge a flat late fee. Assessments are due on the 1st, if not paid by the 15th, late fee attaches but as others have said, you need to check your CC&R's to see if there are limitations and state law.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Ron,

First and foremost, see if your governing documents gives the Association the authority to charge a late fee. If not, the Board could be exceeding the authority they have and would lose any legal challenge to late fees.

Typically, late charges are authorized by language contained in the CC&Rs and/or applicable State laws.

Our CC&Rs authorize 10% of the assessment (which is a pain in the butt, speaking as treasurer).

Most of the Associations I have seen simply charge a flat fee, normally around 20-25 dollars per month.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Ron

As other have said, quite often late dues interest rate is capped off at a specific rate(amount like a usury law). Our Covenants say max rate permitted by law or 18% per annum on the principal amount.

Our covenants say cost can be added and the same interest added to the costs. As an example if I needed to take my time to write a letter, deliver it to the Post Office that might cost say $20.00. If I had to call the HOA's lawyer for advice that might cost say $55.00. Get my idea?

RonW7 (Ohio)
Posts: 122
Posted:
Thanks for the replies, all. A blanket response to those asking about our governing docs:

Our documents say nothing about late fees. I actually converted our paper documents to a text-based PDF and did text separate searches for "late" and "fee" and found nothing relevant. However, the Ohio Revised Code states that associations have the right to charge late fees, but it doesn't specify a particular limit. Perhaps this limit inherits from something else?
KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
Are there any Ohio laws that cap interest on fines or fees?

I remember the HOA in my neighborhood tried charging an interest rate that accumulated in a particular way that violated the limits set in the statutes.
BobD4 (up north)
Posts: 1,002
Posted:
is there a judge in North America who will confirm an "interest-based" late fee of 1561 % per annum ?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Ron,

The Ohio Revised Code does not authorize late fees. It does require interest to be charged. See: 5312.10, which states (in part):

"The board shall charge interest on any past due assessment or installment at the rate the board establishes, not to exceed any maximum rate permitted by law."

Per 1343.01, the maximum rate of interest is capped at 8% per year.

(A) The parties to a bond, bill, promissory note, or other instrument of writing for the forbearance or payment of money at any future time, may stipulate therein for the payment of interest upon the amount thereof at any rate not exceeding eight per cent per annum payable annually, except as authorized in division (B) of this section.
BobD4 (up north)
Posts: 1,002
Posted:
so - if hearing a defence of illegal usury at the proposed rate - an Ohio judge would be asked to uphold a buckshee interest surcharge of 1,553 % ? (? to throw that against the wall to see if it sticks ?).

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