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JL5 (Michigan)
Posts: 8
Posted:
We are looking into our HOA financial records in hopes of understanding why our monthly dues have more than doubled in the past nine years. We want to understand which costs have risen so dramatically. The property in which we are co-owners is a "garden property" made up of 4 buildings, each of of which have 25 units that are about 1000 sq. feet large. It was build in 1971.

The reported repair and maintenance fees for this property are in excess of $180,000. (This amount includes grounds and building repair and maintenance but does NOT include insurance, taxes, utilities, maintenance of the clubhouse building, professional fees, or major repairs for which we receive special assessments.) The property is decently maintained. It looks like a mid-level apartment structure. For example, the lawn is always trimmed nicely but the hedges looked hacked up from bad trimming and there are a lot of weeds around the buildings.

Does $180k for regular repair and maintenance sound right?
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
"Sounds right" to you may be outrageous to someone else, so stop with that line of thinking. Inflation is everywhere - is there anything in YOUR household budget that hasn't increased over the last 9 years? If so, why do you expect HOA expenses to stay the same? And your community was built in 1971 - a 43 year old community is going to cost more than one that was built two or three years ago.

Costs vary from community to community and that depends on what the association is required to cover. Delinquent homeowners are also an issue - you end up spending limited resources to get them to pay and in the meantime other expenses have to get paid. That means the homeowners who are paying have to indirectly subsidize those people.

Your budget needs to reflect ALL the costs of running the association, so if it doesn't include insurance taxes, utilities, clubhouse maintenance and the other stuff you mention, that could be your problem. If those costs have been underestimated or weren't factored in to begin with, that will increase your costs. If something wasn't maintained the way it should have been a few years ago and has now deteriorated to where you have no choice but to fix it, that will add to your costs.

Special assessments, in general, should be avoided because it probably means the budget planning was lousy, such as not having a reserve fund for major expenses, such as roof replacement. To fund it properly and pay for monthly expenses, your assessments should be set accordingly (at the very least, you'll probably see an increase to allow for inflation). What has your board been up to? Did they try to increase the assessments only for homeowners to scream about them being "too high?" If so, you now see you've probably shot yourself in the foot (repeatedly) for the last 9 years and possibly longer.

It's good that you're looking at the budget, but you also need to talk to the board and your property manager, if you have one. Are there expenses that have jumped faster than others over 9 years? If so, what sort of things has the board done to try and control those costs? Are they getting at least 3 bids for maintenance work? If not, perhaps you can help with reviewing them. If the answers you get are evasive or you don't get any, you and your fellow homeowners will need to come together and demand answers of the board. If they don't respond, get rid of them, do an audit and get some professional help to assist you in coming up with a realistic budget. Good luck!


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
JL,

As Shelia pointed out, costs vary from State to State, Town to Town, Association to Association and year to year.

I thought we had a good price for our trash/recycling service. When the contract came up for renewal, many simply wanted to renew with the same contractor as everyone was happy with them. However, since the paperwork had already been drawn up, we went ahead with the bid process. Turns out we were able to get a contract for $10,000 less per year. Since we liked our current contractor, we asked if they would match that price. They did.

I relay that story because it's possible that the jobs simply are not being bid out. This often isn't because the Board doesn't want to. It's because the Board is happy with the current contractor and, perhaps, doesn't have the time necessary to meet with other contractors and go through the bid process. If this is the case for your Association, perhaps you could volunteer to head a bid committee and go through the process of requesting bids, checking out companies and compiling the pros and cons of each in a comparison report.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
JL

Can we assume each building has shared elements like entry ways, lobbies, elevators, etc.? These type things easily drive up maintenance costs.
DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
Posted:
It's hard for anyone to tell you what's reasonable without digging into the details. Have you compared the budgets over the past 9 years to see what items have changed? It's possible that earlier boards held dues artificially low by deferring maintenance and not funding reserves, and the current board is having to play catch up.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
JonD1
Posts: 2,350
Posted:
Without details as to the brekdown of costs impossible to give you an opinion worth anything.

What were your common charges nine years ago?
How much have they increased each year?
Has the Board provided any explanation?

Without a list of costs, who provided them at what cost, how much each has increased over the period you now question difficult to offer you anything.

Are you on the Board? Do you have a copy of the budget or audit for the years in question?
Do you ask at meetings for explanations? Do you atend meetings?

Sounds like you need to gather information to be able to judge how wisely your money is being spent.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
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We are looking into our HOA financial records in hopes of understanding why our monthly dues have more than doubled in the past nine years. We want to understand which costs have risen so dramatically.


No clue if its high or not. I will say, anything built in 1971 is going to need major repairs in the near future. Its getting old. Things are reaching their "end of life" Get ready for your dues to increase at a faster pace than ever before.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
JL,

As others have said, without seeing details, it's difficult to say it's excessive or not.
However, I will provide the following comments:

Have you had a Reserve Study done for the Association and are the Reserves fully funded?
My Association started in 1979. We didn't do a Reserve study until 2010. The Reserve study showed that assessments needed to be raised by 20% to properly fund the Reserves. Now, our Association's main expense is streets and sidewalks. For comparison, our expenses just for roads has increased to $30,000 per year.
Since you are in a condominium and your development is older than ours, I would expect your costs to be even higher.

You may want to ask that your Board provide a better breakdown of what the expenses actually went for rather then simply saying building repairs and grounds maintenance.

As far as normal contracts, our grounds maintenance (landscape) costs have increased by 20% over the past 9 years.
JL5 (Michigan)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Thanks everyone. Yes, this makes sense that this is a highly variable situation so not helpful to post here. But to answer the questions, the total operating budget is $359. $180k is only for the the repairs and maint. In 2005 our HOA dues were $180/month. In 2014 they are $375. The costs for utilities, taxes, and our reserves contribution have actually decreased during that time.
JL5 (Michigan)
Posts: 8
Posted:
I mean that the total budget is $359k.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
If your reserve contributions have decreased, that's the likely explanation for the jump in assessments. I wouldn't be surprised if they decreased because of operating budget constraints and now there are big expenses coming (roof repair, street/driveway/parking lot repaving), so the board has to build up the reserves in a hurry.

And speaking of expenses, just because utilities and taxes are down doesn't mean everything else didn't jump - labor, insurance, etc. Don't forget that the cost of labor, insurance, etc., has also gone up and your maintenance contractors pass along their expense increases to their customers (just like everyone else.)

By the way, you HAVE asked these questions of your board, haven't you? What was the response? It really doesn't matter if I or anyone chimes in on what is or isn't reasonable because we don't live in your community. All we can do is give you some suggestions on what you might want to look at and then you can go on from there.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JL5 (Michigan)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Thanks everyone. The frustrating thing is that as the same time as the monthly costs of have doubled, we've actually had special assessments on top of that - new parking lot paving and new roof. We were told that this was all covered by the special assessments. So my understanding is these major projects did NOT impact the month costs, at least not directly.

I have asked the board to explain the increase. One long-time board member said she "didn't know why". When I told her that I would be glad to review the costs and do some research she responded that she did not think that co-owners were entitled to review the financial documents. She encouraged me to ask the property manager.

So I went to the property manager - he's actually the owner of the property management company and also sits on the board. (FYI - ALL of the repair of and maint costs are billed through him.) When I asked which specific items had increased in the last ten years - he's actually been managing the place since the 80s - he said that the increase was due to just to general "inflation" not due to any special projects.

I guess I don't understand how "general inflation" since 2006 could account for a literal 50% increase: from $179k operating costs in 2005 to $359k operating costs in 2014.

I guess I'll just have to formally request to review the financials and see if I can figure it out myself.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
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I guess I'll just have to formally request to review the financials and see if I can figure it out myself.


Yep.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Well, there is an inflation calculator on inflationdata.com, as well as the bureau of labor statistics website, so you can crunch the period between 2005 to 2014 - when I did it, it came out to 22.66%. Put another way, what cost $1 in 2005 costs $2.26 today. Even then, that number can go up and down because the cost of living can vary from city to city and state to state.

I think part of your problem may be the property manager. The property manager should not be sitting on the board unless he's a homeowner, and even if he is, he's got a conflict of interest (sits on the board and so has a say in what projects are done, who gets to do them, etc.) However this ends, I think you and your fellow homeowners need to insist the board correct this situation immediately.

As I said before, special assessments are generally a reflection of lousy budgeting. The association should have had a reserve study done so it could set up a reserve fund, saving a portion of assessments every year (according to the study recommendations) so when the major expenses came up, like roof replacement, the money would have already been there. Yes, you'll still have to factor in inflation, so your assessments would have gone up anyway.

The board member who said she didn't think co owners are entitled to review the financial documents is an idiot - check your documents to see what homeowners are entitled to (may also need to see if Michigan law says anything). And if she doesn't know why assessments have increased, perhaps it's time that she (and maybe a few other board members besides the property manager!) need to step down. A treasurer might know a little more of the ins and outs of the numbers, but I've always felt any homeowner should be able to go to any board member about an issue and get accurate information. All the board members vote on how to spend money, so they need to have a good working knowledge of the budget and why it's set the way it is.


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius

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