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VickiA1 (Missouri)
Posts: 1
Posted:
Can HOA officers change bylaws without the vote of the HOA members. They claim to have changed them to
1. Pay the treasurer a salary & all all officers pay No monthly dues - the bylaws say NO
2. serve for a term of 2 years .... the bylaws says 1 year

I dont find anywhere it is changes..I have a copy of bylaws and cc&r's

thx

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Vicki,

That depends on the language in your Bylaws on how to amend and, the language in any applicable law (check HOA/COA and corporate law).

One thing to keep in mind is that Officers and Directors are different jobs. Typically, the governing documents specify that Directors may not be paid. However, Officers are not Directors. Even when the officer positions are held by the same individuals who are Directors, it's like having two jobs. One is a volunteer job and the other job may be paid by salary.

NOTETypically, the CC&Rs (which trump the bylaws) require everyone to pay assessments. Therefore, the Board simply may not waive assessments. If the Board is going to pay Officers (note: Officers not Directors), then the proper way to do this is for the individuals to pay assessments and the Board write a check back to the Officers as salary. Things your Board may not be aware of:

1) IRS requires the issuing of 1099-misc for independent contractors. However, it would be difficult to explain your Officers as independent contractors. Thew would be employees. As employees, the Assocaition must:
File W-2 forms.
Pay the corporations share of payroll taxes (SSN, Workmans Comp, Medicare, etc.)
May have to pay penalty for not providing Health benefits (Don't know, haven't read the affordable care act).
May require the Association to file 1099 tax forms vs. 1099-H tax forms (creating a tax burden on the Association).

See: Employment Taxes from the IRS website.
See: Businesses with Employees from the IRS website

Don't let the Association not pay these things or file the appropriate paperwork. The last thing an Association needs is to have someone claim benefits that the Association should have paid (similar to individuals hiring full time maids and not paying the taxes).

See: The consequences of willful failure to pay payroll taxes

My suggestion is to make the Board aware of these IRS requirements. Inform the Board that if they are going to pay the Officers, they need to do it properly or not at all. Inform the Board that if they refuse to do things properly, you will report the Association to the IRS (Federal and State). Then encourage them to seek legal and/or accounting advice prior to implementing such changes.

Oh, share those links along with the following links with your Board as well:

Should Board Members Receive Compensation? From an attorney's site.

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
A Hoa is ONLY funded by its owners for its owners. So why would one forgive dues? Why would anyonempay a salary to a volunteer board member?

I see this situation all the time in HOAs. Usually from new board members who do not know the rules or from overburdened ones. I will not mention the plain ignorant....

Simply point out the rules as they are non profit but not a charitable one. Board positions are VOLUNTERR! This does not mean one can not be reimbursed for expenses they spend on HOA business. Your just not going to charge an hourly rate for doing so.

Yeah the board can change by laws but not CCRs... By laws are HOA internal documents. CCRs are the more binding ones and registered with the county. Those take membership vot to change and override the by laws.

Former HOA President
BobD4 (up north)
Posts: 1,002
Posted:
The claim that monthly common expense assessments can be legally forgiven or waivered, is very difficult to believe without possibly 90 or 100 % prior consent or vote. But whacko attempts to do so in the condo/HOA universe may not be beyond belief.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
It's one thing to claim they've done something, but that really doesn't mean anything until it's written down. You didn't see it in your documents, so ask them to show you these changes IN WRITING. And where are the rest of your homeowners on this? If they're aware and don't like it, all of you should get together and demand changes - or boot out the rascals if they don't run the Association according to current rules.

As others have said, check your documents to see how Bylaws and CCRs can be changed. Personally, I doubt the board can change the Bylaws or CCRs for whatever reason - both likely require a homeowner vote (and if not, they should!)

As a practical matter, everyone, including Board members, shares in the expenses of the common areas, so it's inappropriate for one group (the board) not to pay. The HOA expenses have to be paid at 100% of the costs, but if the officers aren't paying regular fees, the Association's income is reduced by a certain percent - how do you make up the shortfall?

I suppose they'll argue that they should get some sort of compensation for their time, in which case the fun can really start - how many hours a month do you devote to Association business? Can you specifically describe what you're doing and is any of it documented? How does the Association evaluate your performance in doing whatever it is you say you do so the members can determine if they're getting their money's worth (yep, just like a performance evaluation on the job).

Now, it is ok for Board members to be reimbursed for certain expenses incurred in tasks done on the Association's behalf, such as photocopying a newsletter or attending a HOA board education seminar, but I would expect to see
prior authorization by the Board, the same noted in the board meeting minutes and official receipts produced. If none of that exists, those board members should repay the money.


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
TrishaT (Ohio)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Sorry I'm new to much of this. What is a CC&Rs?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
CC&Rs = Declaration of Covenants, Conditions and Restrictions
also known as deed restrictions
also known as covenants
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
CC&Rs take precedence over all of the documents in HOAs in most states, so maybe MO too. Usually things like directors officers, terms of office, etc. are in the bylaws. by laws generally can only be changed by a homeowner vote. it'll say in your bylaws how they can be changed.

Make sure you understand the difference between directors (elected by homeowners unless to fill vacancies and then boar appoints the new director. Officers generally are elected by the directors form among themselves. But some bylaws permit officers to serve who aren't directors. We had a treasurer once for a few months who wasn't a director.

Directors often serve two years and officers often serve one year. Your bylaws will state that.

Finally, the name of your post is "rules," but Rules and Regulations are usually about members' conduct, e.g., no parking on the streets, or pool rules, noise rules, etc.

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